BlackShanglan
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Ah. For the average run of political discourse, I think "us" and "them" tend to suffice.
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rgraham666
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Isn't it "the freedom lovers" and "scum sucking Islamo-facist terrorist supporters" these days.
I've been out of touch.
I've been out of touch.
BlackShanglan
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"Us" and "them" work beautifully from either side. They're universal.
haldir
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As a rabid Scots insomniac, I think that the real problem you folk over the water have is that you have little understanding of what denotes a "liberal".
I actually find it quite scary that you equate "liberal" with "left" (not that you actually have any left-wing politics in the US).
The "liberal" movement was born from the two party state that existed in the UK for hundreds of years. Whigs (liberals) and Tories ruled the roost. They disagreed about who should exercise power but agreed about the fundamentals.
Then the Labour movement was born - and please do not confuse radical left-wing philosophy with the concept of "liberal".
The US, as far as I know does not have a radical left-wing political party ( we still do, but only just. Under Tony Blair, Labour have moved further to the right than even Thatcher would have attempted).
To conclude - the arguement here is not whether the "right" is more homogenous or coherent than the "left" but whether there is a "left" at all.
I actually find it quite scary that you equate "liberal" with "left" (not that you actually have any left-wing politics in the US).
The "liberal" movement was born from the two party state that existed in the UK for hundreds of years. Whigs (liberals) and Tories ruled the roost. They disagreed about who should exercise power but agreed about the fundamentals.
Then the Labour movement was born - and please do not confuse radical left-wing philosophy with the concept of "liberal".
The US, as far as I know does not have a radical left-wing political party ( we still do, but only just. Under Tony Blair, Labour have moved further to the right than even Thatcher would have attempted).
To conclude - the arguement here is not whether the "right" is more homogenous or coherent than the "left" but whether there is a "left" at all.
BlackShanglan
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Fair points all. Even more so - and I think rgraham might agree here - whether both parties aren't really a great deal more the same than different, and both largely in the pockets of monied interests and the latest polls. There doesn't seem to be much of a coherent, driving ideology for either of them.
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