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Mephistophelily
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You didn't do it, so why the fuck does it matter to you? If it's not legit, I learn my lesson. Stop being a prick and leave me the hell alone. I'm tired of you harassing me every other day.
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Your dad's poor decision combined with an instrument that functioned exactly as it was designed to function. The idea is that the collar pinches and digs when the dog pulls. This is supposed to "correct" the dog. So, your dog pulled. The collar did its job. That's why I'm against the damned things.
They're the kind of training tools that ignorant people use when they use them with domestic dogs. It shows laziness. A lack of strength of will. And, above all things, a willingness to inflict pain on their animals in order to get the desired result. That's something I'll never condone because, as someone who has fostered and trained "problem" animals, I've never felt a need to use pain as a means to correct undesired behavior.
A lot of the dogs I foster are Pitt mixes or Rotts; the type of dog that people feel so inclined to get with very little understanding or consideration for the breed. Don't get me wrong; raised properly these dogs are actually low-risk dogs when it comes to attacks. The difficulty is that the dogs were raised for a kind of instinct and work that requires an educated type of handling to curb. Too frequently, because people are selfish and lazy, they don't get that kind of handling.
I once worked with a sixty-five pound Akita that legitimately scared me at times. Probably, in the end, my greatest failure as an animal handler. She'd a long history of neglect that ended up with her bonding strictly with the former family's oldest son. A young neighbor leapt at the son, just playing, and the Akita peeled a section of that kid's shoulder back. She wasn't the same after that.
Long hours in a kennel without contact combined with harsh scolding when she didn't show desired behavior, combined with the attack, left me with a very aggressive dog that was terrified of everything except its crate. I managed to get her out and walking well - except when small kids were around. She was seven, beautiful, and with me she eventually became an absolute doll. I'd never have trusted her around small, fast-moving children, though. She just didn't have the ability to forget and forgive that incident the way you'd like.
I ended up placing her with a close friend of mine who I could trust. She's had a couple incidents but she's mostly peaceful on his land. It hurts to confess that if he hadn't taken her I'd have recommended she be put down.
That is a perfect example of what people can do to an otherwise sweet-hearted animal with their ignorance and laziness. Pinch collars are a definitive and focused example of both traits and they make me angry to see them.
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One last post to go. 
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Chain/Chokes are not good. There is nothing about them that is right, and there is plenty of risk to the dog.
The pinch collar on the other hand is very safe if you are educated about them. Depending on the size of your dog you can cap the end with rubber tips to protect the skin. In cases like one of my dogs who has a chow coat that isn't needed because his hair is just so thick. He's got a little lions mane.
Contrary to popular belief the pinch collars are very safe, and they are effective because they kick start the dogs natural instincts.
You have to make sure it fits properly, and that you only use them for walks. If they are doing anything else, you take it off because then there is risk to the animal.
You never pull on the leash with the pinch. You let the dogs own momentum do the work. If they pull it gently simulates the effect of another animal pressing its teeth to their neck which is how animals often communicate to one another.
They are only needed if your dog is an excessive puller and thus a danger to themself. For instance my dogs would pull on the leash until they choke themselves, and keep going before we started using the pinch. The change was immediate. It took my stubborn boy about two tries to snap into line.
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Well, they say that a pistol is what you use to fight your way to a better weapon. I'm not so sure about that. A few weeks ago I bought a Berretta CX4 Storm 9mm carbine, and have been going round and round to get it sighted in. I can get it dialed in at 25 yards, and this last weekend, at 30 yards. But when I try to shoot it at 50 yards, there is no consistency to the groups. The shots are on target, but all over it. It is driving me crazy! 
Here is my target at 30 yards. The carbine was in a bench rest (albeit a shaky one), and this is with a scope using 9mm 115 grain Federal ammo.
Doesn't look too bad, does it. This is 100 rounds, and the hole is big enough I could put my fist through it. You'd think that would be satisfactory for just about anyone, right?
Except that this is my pistol target: shot at the same distance, with the same ammo, but with open sights. The other difference is that this is an 8 inch target. The one above is a 12 inch diameter target. So the actual area that is all shot up is about the same.
The pistol is a Ruger Blackhawk six shot revolver (a cowboy six-gun). It cost me around $500.00. The carbine cost me over $950.00. Admittedly the carbine has certain advantages, but when I can do nearly as well with a pistol at the same distance (which I admit is farther than a pistol is typically supposed to be used.) then what is the benefit of the carbine?
Here is my target at 30 yards. The carbine was in a bench rest (albeit a shaky one), and this is with a scope using 9mm 115 grain Federal ammo.
Doesn't look too bad, does it. This is 100 rounds, and the hole is big enough I could put my fist through it. You'd think that would be satisfactory for just about anyone, right?
Except that this is my pistol target: shot at the same distance, with the same ammo, but with open sights. The other difference is that this is an 8 inch target. The one above is a 12 inch diameter target. So the actual area that is all shot up is about the same.
The pistol is a Ruger Blackhawk six shot revolver (a cowboy six-gun). It cost me around $500.00. The carbine cost me over $950.00. Admittedly the carbine has certain advantages, but when I can do nearly as well with a pistol at the same distance (which I admit is farther than a pistol is typically supposed to be used.) then what is the benefit of the carbine?
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Well, they say that a pistol is what you use to fight your way to a better weapon. I'm not so sure about that. A few weeks ago I bought a Berretta CX4 Storm 9mm carbine, and have been going round and round to get it sighted in. I can get it dialed in at 25 yards, and this last weekend, at 30 yards. But when I try to shoot it at 50 yards, there is no consistency to the groups. The shots are on target, but all over it. It is driving me crazy!
Here is my target at 30 yards. The carbine was in a bench rest (albeit a shaky one), and this is with a scope using 9mm 115 grain Federal ammo.
Doesn't look too bad, does it. This is 100 rounds, and the hole is big enough I could put my fist through it. You'd think that would be satisfactory for just about anyone, right?
Except that this is my pistol target: shot at the same distance, with the same ammo, but with open sights. The other difference is that this is an 8 inch target. The one above is a 12 inch diameter target. So the actual area that is all shot up is about the same.
The pistol is a Ruger Blackhawk six shot revolver (a cowboy six-gun). It cost me around $500.00. The carbine cost me over $950.00. Admittedly the carbine has certain advantages, but when I can do nearly as well with a pistol at the same distance (which I admit is farther than a pistol is typically supposed to be used.) then what is the benefit of the carbine?
Sorry you are not terribly satisfied with it pretty elf.
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Am I just expecting too much? Is it just because I push my limits to farther ranges than my gun is supposed to be good for? Most people I see shooting pistols are at 5-15 yards maximum. And I have a .357 Henry lever action rifle for longer ranges. So is the carbine only supposed to be less than 50 yards? I understand that in Europe, they use carbines like this one instead of pistols. I guess because of our old west heritage, where the revolver was widely used, Americans tend to favor pistols until relatively recently in history. Is my philosophy of use wrong for this gun?
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*makes note to respond to philosophical firearm question at a later date...when her brain isn't smashed alphabet soup*
Lemme get back to you on that.
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I'm not a gun expert here so take what I have to say with a grain of salt.
But doesn't the gun range determine reliable accuracy? I would think the bullet would be similar say a foot ball. When it flies through the air it spins but the length of the muzzle determines how much force is behind the spin. So after you reach outside of the recommended accuracy the bullet is in less tight of a spin, thus encounters more wind resistance and is less likely to land in a predictable spot.
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This is essentially true, which is why the carbine, with it's 16 inch barrel should be considerably more accurate than the revolver, with a 6.5 inch barrel. Also, the 9mm cartridge, when shot from a long barrel like that, develops the same muzzle ballistics as a .357 from a revolver. Now a 9mm or really just about any pistol cartridge wouldn't be good at much more than 100 yards maximum, so this is no sniper rifle by any means. Still, it's not a shot gun either, and ought to hold a decent enough group. I mean c'mon, it's only 20 more yards!
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You know a lot more about it all than I do. Other than a particular flaw in this particular weapon, it may just be a limitation of the weapon you cannot work around.
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The 9mm won't have the same ballistics as a .357 round because the round isn't heavy enough.
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