The Journey Begins in the Mind

[Shadowsdream]

Both Domination and submission begin in the mind. If the eyes are not strong enough to speak without words and the hand is not strong enough to speak without pain there will not be a cuff or a rope that can hold a sub in one spot for long. If the voice can't control without yelling, Domination is a pale caricature of the real thing. I use My voice, My hands and My eyes to begin your journey into safety and contentment. Not a length of chain nor a leather strap can take you deeper than My mind can.

Where does the journey begin for you?

 

[A Desert Rose]

ahhhhhh geeeeeze Shadows

and I was just going to bed, too. LOL It took me like 20 mins to post to the truth and honesty thread. My head hurts. LMAO

Now I have more to think about......
and think I will. I will be back tomorrow to post. Your topics are wonderful.

Love,
Rose

 

[Daddyslilpet]

Where does the journey begin for you?

Great thread Shadows, yet another to really make me think hard.

My journey begins with the look in Master's eyes and the tone of his voice. He can speak to me in such a way that I am stopped dead in my tracks, and ready to submit to him totally. There is also the touch of his hand, one touch and I'm ready for whatever he wishes. I'm not saying that I'm the perfect sub by any stretch of the imagination, I am human, and we are very new to this lifestyle. I have moments where I forget and revert to our vanilla life.

I am still a sub, but I'm beginning to wonder if the 24/7 PE is not what we can accomplish, for now anyway. With Master's job and my responsibilities with raising children and making sure things run well for the family, I must have the "power" to make some decisions. When Master is available I always ask his input, and always have so that's really not anything new. I know that he is not interested in running every little detail of the daily mundane things, we've had that discussion many times in the past.

Ok back on topic, for me the journey begins with His touch, His eyes, His voice, and His mind, all working together to bring my mind into the place where I long to be.....totally submissive to Him.

I hope that makes sense.....JMHO


dixi

 

[cymbidia]

The journey begins in my mind, behind my closed eyes.

I settle into myself.
I remember who i am and who i want to be.
I review what i know and what i ache to learn.
I examine what i need and what i have to give.

And then i open my eyes.

I look into the face of the person who could be special to me, who may have the ability to control me in the way that i need to be controlled, and i smile.

The smile means, "Do you know me? Can i know you? Dare we begin this dance, together? There have been so many aborted dances, so many missed steps, with others. Can this be true and real and of immense value for us? Dare i continue hoping?"

I open a bit of my soul to that person, just a sliver, and i hope my fears don't make them shy away. I hope my needs don't press in to heavily. I hope the weight of my experiences don't discourage them.

Tex reached out and ran a finger over the hollow of my throat. I think we'll do fine together, he said, and allowed bits of himself out for me to see, just as i'd done. I looked and saw hurts and hopes and experiences that looked much like mine.

The sun broke through the clouds - and so it was begun.




Yes. The journey begins in the mind.

 

[Shadowsdream]

dixi

I loveeeeeeeeeee to make you think hard!

It's My Domme part time job ~~~grin~~~

The way you have always described the journey you travel with your Master shows a beauty and an intensity of honesty, trust, respect and admiration.

24/7 as I live it would be impossible with kids living in the home but it makes My journey no more valuable or intense than yours. I also am fortunate enough to have My toy working from the home most of the time. My situation is far from the norm in that respect as well.

you and your Master do live a version of 24/7..as intensely as you can. Enjoy the small steps as you learn together for it is in the beginning that the magic is cemented for eternity.

I do enjoy your participation in the *hard ones*

 

[Shadowsdream]

cym

I am so incredibly happy for you and Tex...He must be very special to have recognized the depth of your submission and embraced it so strongly.

I hope the magic will grow and grow into a full fledged fire works that will make the 4th of July look pale and wimpy!

What wonderful words you use to paint the picture of this new journey.

 

[Ebonyfire]

Both Domination and submission begin in the mind. If the eyes are not strong enough to speak without words and the hand is not strong enough to speak without pain there will not be a cuff or a rope that can hold a sub in one spot for long. If the voice can't control without yelling, Domination is a pale caricature of the real thing. I use My voice, My hands and My eyes to begin your journey into safety and contentment. Not a length of chain nor a leather strap can take you deeper than My mind can.

Where does the journey begin for you?

I may approach things differently in the physical sense, but I think you have really said it all.

I think it is Mind. And I think sometimes in the interaction between Domme and sub, mind speaks to mind. That is part of the magic you are always talking about.

I look for that.

Eb

 

[Shadowsdream]

Eb

(I think it is Mind. And I think sometimes in the interaction between Domme and sub, mind speaks to mind. That is part of the magic you are always talking about. )

Such a subtle dance of the most basic moves when the mind strokes the mind of Your partner.

Thinking I will soon have to get to the physical stuff before I look like an Intellectual with no whip!

ARGHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

 

[Shadowsdream]

Rose


I am watching for you so don't be hiding ~~~grin~~~

 

[cymbidia]

I hope the magic will grow and grow into a full fledged fire works that will make the 4th of July look pale and wimpy!

Thank you, Lady. Your opinion and well-wishes matter to me in my life.

Every so often in our lives, something wonderful happens.
It's not that we've worked hard or been especially good or done anything special, really, to deserve it. It's simply a gift from the gods. It's an offering from the capricious larder of the fates.

Sometimes we don't recognize it.

Sometimes the gift comes wrapped in paper that we'd never ever choose. We see the wrapping paper and we know there's a gift inside - but we just can't get past the paper. So we move on, the gift left behind.

Sometimes we reach out to touch the wrapping paper, and feel the strong pulse of life and goodness that beats beneath. We begin to open the paper, then - maybe - our hearts beating a strange skittering rhythm, as a gift of strength and fineness is revealed.

We are fortunate, he and i, in recognizing the shining worth we could be to each other beneath the dullness of the ordinary wrappings of the regular people we are on the outside. (To be honest, i tried to run from it. I was scared. He let me go a little, then began to draw me back, the way one would a wild horse, with gentleness and firmness, with strength and sincerity, with control and discipline, until i was calmed and my fears were soothed. It was masterfully done. It's an ongoing process, too, since i'm still freaking out on occasion.)

Thank you for your good wishes, Shadowsdream.

 

[Ebonyfire]

Eb

(I think it is Mind. And I think sometimes in the interaction between Domme and sub, mind speaks to mind. That is part of the magic you are always talking about. )

Such a subtle dance of the most basic moves when the mind strokes the mind of Your partner.

Thinking I will soon have to get to the physical stuff before I look like an Intellectual with no whip!

ARGHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

You without a whip? UNTHINKABLE!

Eb

 

[Lancecastor]

If.....The Journey Begins in the Mind.....

.....(and I believe that it does)...then at what point does the journey become dependant upon factors beyond the mind, if it ever does?

Thought 1: Two meet here on Lit and feel connected. Their journey begins, but at some point, leaves the mind and becomes more and more "of the world"....and either fails or succeeds from there onward on the basis of multiple inputs.

Thought 2: There is lots of emperical research to support that up to 95% of what makes any couple succeed is nothing more than "physical attraction". If that is the case....does it matter even a whit that the journey begins in the mind....or is that a silly, foolish romantic notion that merely sounds good the way you say it?


Turning it up a notch;

Lance

Both Domination and submission begin in the mind. If the eyes are not strong enough to speak without words and the hand is not strong enough to speak without pain there will not be a cuff or a rope that can hold a sub in one spot for long. If the voice can't control without yelling, Domination is a pale caricature of the real thing. I use My voice, My hands and My eyes to begin your journey into safety and contentment. Not a length of chain nor a leather strap can take you deeper than My mind can.

Where does the journey begin for you?

 

[~*sunkyssed_kym*~]

Both Domination and submission begin in the mind. If the eyes are not strong enough to speak without words and the hand is not strong enough to speak without pain there will not be a cuff or a rope that can hold a sub in one spot for long. If the voice can't control without yelling, Domination is a pale caricature of the real thing. I use My voice, My hands and My eyes to begin your journey into safety and contentment. Not a length of chain nor a leather strap can take you deeper than My mind can.

Where does the journey begin for you?

Shadowsdream, I agree that the journey for me begins in my mind. Being in a LDR, we don't have the luxury of being able to share one another's company as often as we would like. Therefore, MY-Sir uses HIS mind to speak to me. HE will describe parts of a scene, or of the punishment HE will give to HIS sub.**for my cheekiness to HIM while we have I/m-ed.** HE knows exactly what turns me on and how to use that for both of our enjoyment.
When we are together, HE uses HIS eyes,touch,voice and yes; HIS mind too. HE has always told me that the brain is the most powerful sex organ anyone has. HE definitely knows how to use HIS, not only for HIS benifit but for mine too!
Never met anyone like HIM before, and I am proud to be HIS sub.


-k-

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: If.....The Journey Begins in the Mind.....

.....(and I believe that it does)...then at what point does the journey become dependant upon factors beyond the mind, if it ever does?

Thought 1: Two meet here on Lit and feel connected. Their journey begins, but at some point, leaves the mind and becomes more and more "of the world"....and either fails or succeeds from there onward on the basis of multiple inputs.

First of all, we are speaking about face to face and skin to skin, not the fantasy world of online. we are talking about the interaction between to people who have met and agreed to be dominant and submissive, so I think that you thought does not make sense in this context. Care to be more specific?

Thought 2: There is lots of emperical research to support that up to 95% of what makes any couple succeed is nothing more than "physical attraction". If that is the case....does it matter even a whit that the journey begins in the mind....or is that a silly, foolish romantic notion that merely sounds good the way you say it?

Again, what empirical research are you talking about? We are not discussing your average married couple with 2.25 kids. we are talking about a dominant/submissive relationship, and how mind has a influence on the outcome. Care to share this empirical research?

Eb

 

[li'a-wahine]

very much in the mind

Yes, again, I agree here, lol.

For myself it is something that gathers in the mind first, although being that today makes 9 years for us (yippy) alot comes naturally without AS much being "worked" up first in the mind, if that makes any sence, lol.

What is happening in His mind, now that is still sa exciting to me as in the begining. Looking up at him, hearing his voice, or just the touch on my skin when I can hear nothing sends me spinning.

For myself, there is a moment when we both are back together after our day in the "outter world" where I take the time to meditate, if you would call it that, to seperate myself from being that independant woman to being HIS. FOr me that's what rituals are all about, setting the mind to a place needed for that moment, and when done daily, it becomes like flipping a light swich.

well, that all I can give you right now, lol, I usualy don't write this much!

lia

 

[cymbidia]

Re: very much in the mind

For myself it is something that gathers in the mind first, although being that today makes 9 years for us (yippy) alot comes naturally without AS much being "worked" up first in the mind, if that makes any sence, lol.
<sinp>
For myself, there is a moment when we both are back together after our day in the "outter world" where I take the time to meditate, if you would call it that, to seperate myself from being that independant woman to being HIS.

Warm congrats to you both, lia, on this anniversary of your joining your lives. Nine years is a very long time. I think most of us could learn from you regarding what makes a good BDSM relationship last so long. We have so few long-term relationship models from which to learn. Yours. Willow and Roebuck. Risia and MasterMe. lilfrk and her Man. Who else? Why are there so few of us who've fashioned long-lasting BDSM relationships?

In any case, warm wishes for nine more, just as wondeful as the first.

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: very much in the mind

Yes, again, I agree here, lol.

For myself it is something that gathers in the mind first, although being that today makes 9 years for us (yippy) alot comes naturally without AS much being "worked" up first in the mind, if that makes any sence, lol.

What is happening in His mind, now that is still sa exciting to me as in the begining. Looking up at him, hearing his voice, or just the touch on my skin when I can hear nothing sends me spinning.

For myself, there is a moment when we both are back together after our day in the "outter world" where I take the time to meditate, if you would call it that, to seperate myself from being that independant woman to being HIS. FOr me that's what rituals are all about, setting the mind to a place needed for that moment, and when done daily, it becomes like flipping a light swich.

well, that all I can give you right now, lol, I usualy don't write this much!

lia

Congratulations on your (and his) good fortune.

Ebony

 

[~Dream~]

Re;The Journey..

Thank-you Shadows for this wonderful thread..
It all began for me when Master Artful chose Me,out of all the women He could've been with or trained ,He wanted me...
That Meant Everything to me..Still does..
It was His Choice and Mine..


His voice is commanding ,yet so gentle and soft at times,when it needs to be so..for by that voice ALONE(I can cumm rivers).
When He says"My sex slave" or M'love,or just come here Dream,it sends a chill through my body..

The look in hIS SPARKLING,beautiful ,blue eyes looks deep within my soul,my innermost secrets and desires are all being carefully,thoughtfully,patiently,brought to the forefront as only He can do.-what a journey lies before us!! The look can make or break me as much as the voice..

The Control He shows to me with His most powerful and intelligent mind amazes me more everyday and leaves me at times,totally speechless..He has an awesome utmost responsibility-especailly taking ME on!! (lol) for real tho I can be quite a handful at times...

But for me,"Artful's dream,for me it is the touch..
The touch that I miss soo much,the touch of His that brings me the 'magic' and gives to me the Desire to serve Him even more..
His featherlike,soft caresses,His firm,yet guiding hands,His slaps on my ass,the gentle,enchanting way only He can make me orgasm..
Oh ,yess I Love each annd every bit of my Master ,but it's His "touch' that I miss so so much
Master's 'mind" speaks directly to my heart...

side note :to Eb .. online IS "REAL" to me....
side note to Lance...even physical attraction begins in the Mind...
example>'Damnn,I think He or She is hot!!" jmho

 

[li'a-wahine]

lots of thanks

cym nad ebony~

thank you both for your warm wishes, I will pass them on to Him when he gets home

and that would make an interesting topic for the long term issue cym..... I don't know what to write though! gotta think about that ALOT. lol

but thanks again!

lia

 

[Lancecastor]

Re: Re: If.....The Journey Begins in the Mind.....

First of all, we are speaking about face to face and skin to skin, not the fantasy world of online. we are talking about the interaction between to people who have met and agreed to be dominant and submissive, so I think that you thought does not make sense in this context. Care to be more specific?


Again, what empirical research are you talking about? We are not discussing your average married couple with 2.25 kids. we are talking about a dominant/submissive relationship, and how mind has a influence on the outcome. Care to share this empirical research?

Eb

The thread is called "The journey begins in the mind", so I thought if that's the case, Lit is a place where we first meet mind-to-mind with no other solid evidence of each other. People meet online, fall in love, then become couples IRL, it happens all the time.

If I misread the thread starting post...sorry...but I was wondering at what point the mind attraction from the outset of attraction/chemistry shifts to things like physique, eye sparkle, smiles, etc....or if it does at all. I was kinda thinking out loud, I guess.

The 95% thing shocked me when I saw it....sorry, I don't have the source but no it wasn't BDSM specific.
But again, the point I was hoping to raise was whether the mind-to-mind connection becomes secondary, or blended at some point in a relationship as it mixes with other things....the way I speak in your ear, the way I pinch your nipples, the knots I use, etc.

Because...I think it's obvious to say it begins in the mind....of course it does....all human interaction does.

I'm thinking about how that kernel grows and changes at various later points in the journey and what that means to that beginning nugget.

Dig?

Lance

 

[A Desert Rose]

ruh roh I've been caught

Rose


I am watching for you so don't be hiding ~~~grin~~~

I am supposed to be working lol-------- but i keep drifting back here. sigh.....
Shadows, you are omniscient (did I spell that right?)

Rose

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: Re: Re: If.....The Journey Begins in the Mind.....

The thread is called "The journey begins in the mind", so I thought if that's the case, Lit is a place where we first meet mind-to-mind with no other solid evidence of each other. People meet online, fall in love, then become couples IRL, it happens all the time.

If I misread the thread starting post...sorry...but I was wondering at what point the mind attraction from the outset of attraction/chemistry shifts to things like physique, eye sparkle, smiles, etc....or if it does at all. I was kinda thinking out loud, I guess.

The 95% thing shocked me when I saw it....sorry, I don't have the source but no it wasn't BDSM specific.
But again, the point I was hoping to raise was whether the mind-to-mind connection becomes secondary, or blended at some point in a relationship as it mixes with other things....the way I speak in your ear, the way I pinch your nipples, the knots I use, etc.

Because...I think it's obvious to say it begins in the mind....of course it does....all human interaction does.

I'm thinking about how that kernel grows and changes at various later points in the journey and what that means to that beginning nugget.

Dig?

Lance

Ok, now I get ya!

I still think you have missread the post. You must remember that this is from the standpoint of a 24/7 flesh to flesh D/s relationship.

I do not think it is so obvious it starts with the mind. It is a lot of hard work, I know and I only have part-time subs. And, if it were so obvious, there would be less Dom/mes and subs who are unsuccessful at it.

Dig?

Eb

 

[Lancecastor]

Re: Re: Re: Re: If.....The Journey Begins in the Mind.....

Ok, now I get ya!

I still think you have missread the post. You must remember that this is from the standpoint of a 24/7 flesh to flesh D/s relationship.

I do not think it is so obvious it starts with the mind. It is a lot of hard work, I know and I only have part-time subs. And, if it were so obvious, there would be less Dom/mes and subs who are unsuccessful at it.

Dig?

Eb

Dug.

Doug?

That you??

I dont recall the thread specifying the posts should relate only to IRL 24/7, though I know SD has said that in others in her current "7 Deadly Sins" series.


As for success=obvious, I'd say that it's still obvious, but some relationships simply don't work or never connect/click at the outset....typically because they are focused on things other than the mind, like butt plugs, strap ons, the way your hips move, etc....that's what I was, er, digging at, Doug.


L

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If.....The Journey Begins in the Mind.....

Dug.

Doug?

That you??

I dont recall the thread specifying the posts should relate only to IRL 24/7, though I know SD has said that in others in her current "7 Deadly Sins" series.


As for success=obvious, I'd say that it's still obvious, but some relationships simply don't work or never connect/click at the outset....typically because they are focused on things other than the mind, like butt plugs, strap ons, the way your hips move, etc....that's what I was, er, digging at, Doug.


L

Sex, sex, sex, is that all you think about?

Geez. Men.

Eb

 

[A Desert Rose]

forgive me my confusion

Could we start again, please? What is this topic really about? I don't want to post until I fully understand what it is I am addressing.

Lost in Lost Wages,
Rose