The Ironic Planned Parenthood Card!!

[Olivianna]

This is so fucking ironic:

 

[Freya]

Looks more to be a Winter Wonderland type card, rather than a Christmas one.


You're not just starting trouble are you Olivianna?

 

[Olivianna]

The inside:

 

[Marxist]

Didn't we talk about this yesterday?

 

[Olivianna]

Looks more to be a Winter Wonderland type card, rather than a Christmas one.


You're not just starting trouble are you Olivianna?

I guess it could be interpreted as such. I frankly was tired of discussing the minutiae of something I hadn't even gotten to see firsthand. The presumption that a seasons greeting card had to be linked to Christianity and Christ also bothered me. I'm Jewish - I've received and sent greeting cards during the winter that were not "Christmas" cards.

 

[penguindance]

 

[Aphrodisiac]

That is the " alleged" Christmas card that everyone was talking about ?!?

I don't see anything wrong , its just a card.





Olivianna, thanks for posting it , I was curious about it.

 

[Pagliacci]

It doesn't look ironic to me...no virgin Mary, no baby Jesus...hmm. Seems to me like someone was reading WAY too much into this one.

That's true on one hand,on the other is there some sort of non religious holiday happening that you send out cards for in December ?

I don't see it as ironic,I take it for what it is but I get a slight chuckle out of it after reading the other thread.

 

[Calamity Jane]

The presumption that a seasons greeting card had to be linked to Christianity and Christ also bothered me. I'm Jewish - I've received and sent greeting cards during the winter that were not "Christmas" cards.

You're certainly not implying that there are any other holidays/observances that happen during this time of year are you?

 

[Olivianna]

You're certainly not implying that there are any other holidays/observances that happen during this time of year are you?

Uh, no, Ma'am. Just Christmas. Christmas, Christmas, and Christmas.

 

[JazzManJim]

Didn't we talk about this yesterday?

Yep. To death.

But shit can always be stirred.

 

[Calamity Jane]

That's true on one hand,on the other is there some sort of non religious holiday happening that you send out cards for in December ?

Certainly there are non-Christian holidays that cards are sent out for.

I get 'Seasons Greetings' cards from people I know are Atheists. *shrug* It's a generic time of year to wish others well.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Of course it's ironic. Whatever we celebrate now, Christmas was designed from the beginning of the country to celebrate the birth of Christ and only became such big holidy here because of the strong prevelance of Christianity for most of this nation's history.

"Choice on Earth" as a celebration of a national holiday that came into existence solely because of Christ is irony.

These are various meanings of the word "irony":

The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.

An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.

A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect. See Synonyms at wit1.

Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs: ¡°Hyde noted the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated¡± (Richard Kain).

An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity. See Usage Note at ironic.

The italicized portions explain quite well why the card is ironic.

Irony, unlike this thread and others, simply does not imply a value judgment. One should enjoy irony, not get offended by it. I don't, quite frankly, see why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch because someone sees the irony in the card. Whether it was intended or not is moot, the irony is still there.

 

[Calamity Jane]

Yep. To death.

But shit can always be stirred.

Why is it shit-stirring today and yesterday it was just one man's logical opinion?

 

[JazzManJim]

The italicized portions explain quite well why the card is ironic.

Irony, unlike this thread and others, simply does not imply a value judgment. One should enjoy irony, not get offended by it. I don't, quite frankly, see why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch because someone sees the irony in the card. Whether it was intended or not is moot, the irony is still there.

Thank you.


I was wondering if anyone else on the planet was reading their dictionaries today.

 

[Pagliacci]

Of course it's ironic. Whatever we celebrate now, Christmas was designed from the beginning of the country to celebrate the birth of Christ and only became such big holidy here because of the strong prevelance of Christianity for most of this nation's history.

"Choice on Earth" as a celebration of a national holiday that came into existence solely because of Christ is irony.

These are various meanings of the word "irony":

The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.

An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.

A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect. See Synonyms at wit1.

Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs: ¡°Hyde noted the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated¡± (Richard Kain).

An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity. See Usage Note at ironic.

The italicized portions explain quite well why the card is ironic.

Irony, unlike this thread and others, simply does not imply a value judgment. One should enjoy irony, not get offended by it. I don't, quite frankly, see why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch because someone sees the irony in the card. Whether it was intended or not is moot, the irony is still there.

If I doubted it before this does it.

I'm falling in löö?

 

[brokenbrainwave]

Is not the idea behind the holiday season one of peace and love? That takes on many conotations. Unless Ashcroft has taken this right away also, we are allowed to celebrate it as we wish.

 

[Calamity Jane]

Whether it was intended or not is moot, the irony is still there.

The irony is subjective. It's only ironic if you think of it as a Christmas Card instead of a Greeting Card and if you think that it's advertising abortion services.

Otherwise, it's one more generic and extremely bland card from one more corporate entity that will end up being used by my kids as scraps to create decorations out of.

 

[JazzManJim]

Why is it shit-stirring today and yesterday it was just one man's logical opinion?

Simple.

Yesterday, the point was made (and I'll condense it), "I find this ironic, and here's why."

This then began a parade of people saying (again, condensed):

"No it's not. You're wrong"

"How can you disagree with them or the card?"

Or some variant thereof.

Even after I pointed out in detail the irony of the situation, the same things were posted. As was just pointed out, the card is[/is] ironic and is nearly a textbook definition of such.

Now this thread didn't have to be a new one. It could just have easily become part of the original thread. That it was made separate gives me reason to believe that it was shit-stirring.

 

[Freya]

Christmas was originally celebrated for the birth of Christ - and in that context I can see the irony. But it has devolved into a time of year where the concepts of peace and hope, and spending as much money as you can, have overtaken the original meaning.

 

[JazzManJim]

It's only ironic if you think of it as a Christmas Card instead of a Greeting Card...

When I get a card with a similar sentiment in February, I'll change my mind. Until then, you're stretching the point beyond credulity.

 

[Marxist]

For Spinaroonie and Laurel

Is this ironic? Help me, dear KM, I don't have a dictionary near.

 

[KillerMuffin]

No, pag, the irony is not subjective. It is just another season's greetings card from some business entity in order to promote morale about their product. That's not the irony.

The irony lies in two simple and indesputable facts:

1. In America, Christmas is traditionally a Christian holiday despite the secularization of the past decade.
2. Planned Parenthood sent a card out to celebrate that holiday with the phrase "Choice on Earth."

Now. That's the irony. You may supply value judgments if you like, but you cannot deny that the irony exists, because in order to do that you would have to deny certain facts that exist.

Irony neither implies value judgment nor does it imply intention or responsibility. It simply is.

 

[Calamity Jane]

When I get a card with a similar sentiment in February, I'll change my mind. Until then, you're stretching the point beyond credulity.

This is what I don't understand.

If I sent you a card when I send mine out in a week, it wouldn't be send as a Christmas Card, because inside it would say "Wishing you a blessed Yule".

You're Christian, admirably, devoutly so. To YOU and the other Christians in the world, the only point to this time of year is the birth of Christ. That's fine, and from that standpoint, I see the irony of which you speak.

To me, this time of year is a celebration of the coming of Spring. The shortening of nights and lengthening of days... the coming of the Sun. From THAT standpoint, there is no irony at all.

That's beyond credulity????

 

[A Desert Rose]

Irony neither implies value judgment nor does it imply intention or responsibility. It simply is.

And some people get it and some people don't. LMAO.

These exchanges are really funny. But your posts KM, are on target for those who "get it."