The "I don't want to talk about AI" thread, and the new topic is: something that rhymes with "clicks"

[SimonDoom]

"whom"

Whom actually uses whom correctly in speech? English teachers, that's whom uses it.

See how annoying this post was to read? Just get rid of it.

It's annoying because you got it wrong.

It should be:

Who actually uses "whom" correctly in speech? English teachers, that's who uses it.

If you use "whom" correctly, it sounds fine, and its use enhances and enriches meaning by specifying whether it's subjective or objective case. That's what words should do.

Take it from a former English teacher.

 

[crookedletter]

It's annoying because you got it wrong.

It should be:

Who actually uses "whom" correctly in speech? English teachers, that's who uses it.

If you use "whom" correctly, it sounds fine, and its use enhances and enriches meaning by specifying whether it's subjective or objective case. That's what words should do.

Take it from a former English teacher.

And if you use "who" when "whom" is correct, it... also sounds fine.

 

[SimonDoom]

And if you use "who" when "whom" is correct, it... also sounds fine.

In most cases of spoken speech, you get a pass for that. It's fine. In written speech, to me at least, using "who" when one should use "whom" looks wrong, and it seems less precise to me as well.

 

[cw5523729]

It's annoying because you got it wrong.

It should be:

Who actually uses "whom" correctly in speech? English teachers, that's who uses it.

If you use "whom" correctly, it sounds fine, and its use enhances and enriches meaning by specifying whether it's subjective or objective case. That's what words should do.

Take it from a former English teacher.

Whom was it that missed the joke then?

edit: Just to be clear, yes the incorrect usage of "whom" above was also deliberate

 

[MrPixel]

My MMC frequently uses "whom" correctly, and is given grief about his pedanticism.

And, really, folks, "Ask not for who the bell tolls..." does not work for me at all.

 

[cw5523729]

And, really, folks, "Ask not for who the bell tolls..." does not work for me at all.

Don't leave us hanging. For who does the bell toll?

 

[StillStunned]

Screw it. Time for wine.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

This is a strange thread, some is totally mutcheh-ing (Annoying). But Schleping through it has been fun.

 

[StillStunned]

You went through all 55 pages?! You're a brave person!

 

[MillieDynamite]

Everything is on a diagonal to something!

Bit of an issue if it can only move diagonally.

 

[TheLobster]

Whom actually uses whom correctly in speech?

It’s quite natural to use if you come from a language that has actual cases.

 

[cw5523729]

It’s quite natural to use if you come from a language that has actual cases.

I feel like my post should have specified that my tongue was planted firmly in cheek for whoever whomever might read it.

 

[NuclearFairy]

Hmm, I've got a bit of confusion about punctuation rules. This sentence:

Mathias searched over the algae coated surface for a “door”.

Does the period go inside the quotation marks, even though it's not dialog? Should I be using quotation marks or apostrophes?

 

[iwatchus]

I think it’s period outside and I would use single quotes

 

[Bamagan]

Hmm, I've got a bit of confusion about punctuation rules. This sentence:



Does the period go inside the quotation marks, even though it's not dialog? Should I be using quotation marks or apostrophes?

In American English, you would usually use single marks/apostrophes unless it is an actual quotation, and the period would typically be outside the marks. However, there's probably no need to use such punctuation in this case, even if it was derived from dialogue, since it seems like whatever secret door is being sought probably is an actual door of some kind, and therefore doesn't need to be set apart from the rest of the sentence. Broader context might justify your decision, though, so that's not a hill I intend to fortify.
As a side note, I'd probably hyphenate to algae-coated since it seems to be serving as an adjective.

 

[NuclearFairy]

In American English, you would usually use single marks/apostrophes unless it is an actual quotation, and the period would typically be outside the marks. However, there's probably no need to use such punctuation in this case, even if it was derived from dialogue, since it seems like whatever secret door is being sought probably is an actual door of some kind, and therefore doesn't need to be set apart from the rest of the sentence. Broader context might justify your decision, though, so that's not a hill I intend to fortify.
As a side note, I'd probably hyphenate to algae-coated since it seems to be serving as an adjective.

Mathias is a merman and isn't entirely sure he'll recognize the door when he spots it.

Good points though.

 

[Bamagan]

Mathias is a merman and isn't entirely sure he'll recognize the door when he spots it.

Good points though.

Okay, yeah, a person who is unfamiliar with the advanced technology of doors might have reason to use air quotes when speaking about it. Or water quotes in this case, perhaps.
Still, if the POV is third person, there's likely no need for the call-out. If it's 1P from another merperson, though, it's probably appropriate.
As another aside, if Mathias collected a bunch of mermaid sex partners, would he refer to them as a 'harem' or a 'school'?

 

[NuclearFairy]

Okay, yeah, a person who is unfamiliar with the advanced technology of doors might have reason to use air quotes when speaking about it. Or water quotes in this case, perhaps.
Still, if the POV is third person, there's likely no need for the call-out. If it's 1P from another merperson, though, it's probably appropriate.
As another aside, if Mathias collected a bunch of mermaid sex partners, would he refer to them as a 'harem' or a 'school'?

Well so far most of his onscreen sex partners have been harpies. So perhaps flock would be the right word.

 

[iwatchus]

Well so far most of his onscreen sex partners have been harpies. So perhaps flock would be the right word.

I certainly would not refer to Mathias's memaid sex partner as part of his harem.

 

[NuclearFairy]

I certainly would not refer to Mathias's memaid sex partner as part of his harem.

Maybe Juno at one point in time, but I wouldn't even consider the other one a proper sex partner.

 

[Bamagan]

As an absurdist, I encourage you to have your merman get a centauress pregnant, so she can give birth to a half-human, half-seahorse.

 

[iwatchus]

As an absurdist, I encourage you to have your merman get a centauress pregnant, so she can give birth to a half-human, half-seahorse.

I don't want to give any spoilers for her original merman series, but there is an interesting hybrid he fathers. Sea horse might be interesting. I don;t see if for Mathias though.

 

[Bamagan]

I don't want to give any spoilers for her original merman series, but there is an interesting hybrid he fathers. Sea horse might be interesting. I don;t see if for Mathias though.

Let's make @StillStunned change the thread title again by spit-balling new fantasy hybrids.
What do you get when you cross a minotaur and a centaur? A bull-headed horse's ass... ideal for a career in politics!

 

[NuclearFairy]

Let's make @StillStunned change the thread title again by spit-balling new fantasy hybrids.
What do you get when you cross a minotaur and a centaur? A bull-headed horse's ass... ideal for a career in politics!

What if you threw some satyr into the mix?

 

[Bamagan]

What if you threw some satyr into the mix?

Classical Greek satyrs were originally depicted as horse-like, so the end result would look basically the same aside from a permanent erection. Romanized satyrs would add a splash of horny old goat to the mix. Either way, it should help them end their political careers with appropriately ribald and obscene scandals.