The Glorification of George Floyd

[Ramone45]

I get the feeling that many people think the glorification of George Floud is excessive.
It does seem over the top to me. So many ceremonies. Praise. Saintly murals. Horse drawn hearse. He simply isn't worthy. He shouldn't have died on the street. But he probably should have been arrested and thrown in jail for a very long time. I can't get past his involvement in that home invasion and armed robbery. Training a gun on a pregnant woman? If he had gotten killed in the course of that heinous act, that would have been fine. I just think a lot of people watching the events of the past weeks think it is ridiculous and undeserved. Especially in light of truly good people who have made a positive impact on their families and communities that pass anonymously without accolades. I pray for God's mercy on his soul, but he is not praiseworthy.

 

[jp55665566]

I get the feeling that many people think the glorification of George Floud is excessive.
It does seem over the top to me. So many ceremonies. Praise. Saintly murals. Horse drawn hearse. He simply isn't worthy. He shouldn't have died on the street. But he probably should have been arrested and thrown in jail for a very long time. I can't get past his involvement in that home invasion and armed robbery. Training a gun on a pregnant woman? If he had gotten killed in the course of that heinous act, that would have been fine. I just think a lot of people watching the events of the past weeks think it is ridiculous and undeserved. Especially in light of truly good people who have made a positive impact on their families and communities that pass anonymously without accolades. I pray for God's mercy on his soul, but he is not praiseworthy.

George made some mistakes in life, no doubt. I don't understand why he wasn't arrested peacefully. They couldn't just 'cuff him and put him in the car? Why was he laying in the street for so long?
If you want to see a really frightening killing by police of a WHITE man: the Daniel Shaver killing >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...715e7a-dc3e-11e7-a241-0848315642d0_video.html
Officer acquitted. No rioting ensued.

 

[phrodeau]

Trump said that he’s in Heaven, but I’m sure that’s a lie.

 

[hogjack]

A generally "bad" guy who should be sitting in a jail cell or out on bail already.

There are literally millions of Americans of all races, national origins, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, etc. who are worthy of praise and admiration. Quiet, hardworking, wonderful Americans who do the right thing and sometimes go above-and-beyond in complete anonymity. Millions.

Mr. Floyd is not one of them based on his long criminal record. He may have done some decent things but he did a whole lotta baaaaaaaaad. But he was killed by raging asshats who should not even have been on the streets. Floyd and his family/friends were failed by those specific officers, the police chief, the city council, and the mayor.

 

[RobDownSouth]

A generally "bad" guy who should be sitting in a jail cell or out on bail already.

I agree with you, Floyd appears to have been a generally "bad" guy. Having said that, nobody deserves a "summary execution" (aka "Lynching") at the hands (or knees, if you prefer) of a police officer.

That is what people are angry about. And the absolutely tone-deaf response of police departments is only making things worse.

 

[Ramone45]

I agree with you, Floyd appears to have been a generally "bad" guy. Having said that, nobody deserves a "summary execution" (aka "Lynching") at the hands (or knees, if you prefer) of a police officer.

That is what people are angry about. And the absolutely tone-deaf response of police departments is only making things worse.

The other tone-deaf response if coming from those raising Mr. Floyd to superstar martyr status. Both sides are wrong.

 

[Adre]

It was a symbol they buried, not the man. The knee has been on a “collective neck.”

 

[hogjack]

I agree with you, Floyd appears to have been a generally "bad" guy. Having said that, nobody deserves a "summary execution" (aka "Lynching") at the hands (or knees, if you prefer) of a police officer.

That is what people are angry about. And the absolutely tone-deaf response of police departments is only making things worse.

No shit. The officers should never, ever see the light of day that doesn't come through a set of steel bars. Justice should be swift and uncompromising BUT it won't be as it will be politicized for months.

The anger from the "black community" goes back to literally the post-Civil War years as the Klan rose in the South (and, sadly, in the North, too) with a goal of stopping freed slaves from voting and participating in society. Lynching, a true horror, was one of the tools of the suppression. Lynchings continued for decades as a method to control both black populations and any white sympathizers. The lynchings and continuing suppression (along with growing industry and jobs) resulted in mass migration to cities.

However, literally millions and millions of those with African-American heritage have joined the middle class (and up) as full participants in the economy, government, education, the military, science, media, and law enforcement. Just like every other "race." There are many black millionaires and billionaires. "Black" culture is pervasive throughout the country in entertainment and consciousness.

The ghosts of race are not erased completely and may never be. That is wrong, of course. JUST AS WRONG is that "race" is used as a political weapon as it is a reality. It is a sword used to rebuff legitimate criticism and ideas. It is a club used to thwart opposition. It is a net thrown over anyone who is outside of the groupthink or who has different perspectives or approaches.

 

[Lazaran]

Basically, people are treating him like a martyr.

He died for their cause.

I seem to recall another rabble rouser who died for a cause, and history judged him fairly well.

George Floyds modern day crucifixion was probably the first time some white people saw a public execution.

I don't think people outside of close family and friends, are totally celebrating the life of George Floyd; they're celebrating his sacrifice that shed light on an issue they have been trying to explain to white people forever.

Have you seen the light??

 

[RobDownSouth]

The other tone-deaf response if coming from those raising Mr. Floyd to superstar martyr status. Both sides are wrong.

That's a rather tenuous analogy. You're comparing someone protesting government-sanctioned summary execution with someone disagreeing with someone else's opinion.

People disagree with other people's positions frequently (and in BotanaziBoy's case, literally all the time). Nobody's taking to the street because they disagree with someone else's opinion and demanding government regulation change.

Contrast that with the hundreds of thousands risking life and limb protesting police brutality.

 

[Ramone45]

Basically, people are treating him like a martyr.

He died for their cause.

I seem to recall another rabble rouser who died for a cause, and history judged him fairly well.

George Floyds modern day crucifixion was probably the first time some white people saw a public execution.

I don't think people outside of close family and friends, are totally celebrating the life of George Floyd; they're celebrating his sacrifice that shed light on an issue they have been trying to explain to white people forever.

Have you seen the light??

I'm uncomfortable comparing any person to Jesus, but I do understand your point.
Have I seen the light? I' don't know. I think so. This is my light. People should obey the law. Police should honor their oath and execute their duty reasonably and as humanely as possible. People aren't doing that and the police aren't doing that. No one is saying that George Floyd (or anyone) should be free to pass counterfeit money (allegedly) and be publicly intoxicated (allegedly), are they?

 

[Rightguide]

Now in Floyd's honor "woke" HBO Max is pulling Gone With The Wind in the left's latest attempt to emulate the Nazi book burning.

 

[Stillrandy]

I find myself agreeing with the OP. What happened to Floyd was terrible. But his life does not warrant the sainthood being accredited to him. The felony convictions preclude that in my opinion.

And that he left his child and the child's mother in one city while he went elsewhere, thus, to my view, abandoning his parental and family responsibility.

I have also read that the medical examiner found him as being under 'fentanyl intoxication' with evidence of methamphetamine in his system. Fentanyl is a terrible drug. This intoxicated state has been buried deep down in the reporting of his life; who can say what part it had in his behavior on the day he died. The store clerk is quoted as saying "he (Floyd) is not in control of himself" - what is that about?

I would also like to hear the particulars of the day in question: e.g. where is the $20 bill; did the police officers have probable cause to arrest Floyd; why were four (4!) police officers sent to inquire about a mere counterfeit bill? Etc. I think there is much more to the story than what has been published.

Yes, regret his manner of death, punish the officers, but I cannot respect and idolize his life.

Just my opinion...

 

[Adre]

Now in Floyd's honor "woke" HBO Max is pulling Gone With The Wind in the left's latest attempt to emulate the Nazi book burning.

They plan to bring it back with the addition of some contextual language either preceding or after the film presentation. Nothing Nazi about it. Sorry to disappoint.

 

[Conager]

That's a rather tenuous analogy. You're comparing someone protesting government-sanctioned summary execution with someone disagreeing with someone else's opinion.

People disagree with other people's positions frequently (and in BotanaziBoy's case, literally all the time). Nobody's taking to the street because they disagree with someone else's opinion and demanding government regulation change.

Contrast that with the hundreds of thousands risking life and limb protesting police brutality.

Government sanctioned no such thing and backed up their lack of support for those actions with an exceedingly fast firing and indictment.

Why do you always lie?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

* setting timer on when Rammy makes this same exact thread over making sure George Floyd is seen as not being a celestial angel of perfect goodness and wishing George Floyd's image and George Floyd's name would just go away and stop making him think on things intruding on his privilege comfort zone for the third or fourth time tomorrow because of feelings being feeled *

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[hogjack]

Now in Floyd's honor "woke" HBO Max is pulling Gone With The Wind in the left's latest attempt to emulate the Nazi book burning.

The equivlant of "book burning" has been done by both far ends of the political scale.

HBO Max is a politically left entity based on content and approach. However, instead of using film as a way to teach and enlighten, they over-react with book burning. And yet there are countless films and programs on HBO that contain murder, killing, rapes, sadism, torture, abuse, and other repulsive acts. HBO must approve of that content.

Why are they stopping with "Gone With the Wind"? "The Sopranos" portrays Italians as murderers and criminals. "Game of Thrones" had hundreds of murders and killings and depravity. Brutality with pretty costumes. "Westworld" includes gore, rape and massacres. Fun! "Joker" is streamed on HBO. It is lauded for the portrayal of an anti-hero criminal who kills and deforms people while celebrating mayhem and destruction. Go HBO!

 

[Rightguide]

They plan to bring it back with the addition of some contextual language either preceding or after the film presentation. Nothing Nazi about it. Sorry to disappoint.

Just the other day some Democrat wacko suggested the libraries contain too many books written by white people and a greater balance should be enforced.

 

[Adre]

Just the other day some Democrat wacko suggested the libraries contain too many books written by white people and a greater balance should be enforced.

Breaking news...there’s a Democrat wacko.

Christ, there’s a Republican (sort of) wacko in the Oval Office.

 

[Rightguide]

The equivlant of "book burning" has been done by both far ends of the political scale.

HBO Max is a politically left entity based on content and approach. However, instead of using film as a way to teach and enlighten, they over-react with book burning. And yet there are countless films and programs on HBO that contain murder, killing, rapes, sadism, torture, abuse, and other repulsive acts. HBO must approve of that content.

Why are they stopping with "Gone With the Wind"? "The Sopranos" portrays Italians as murderers and criminals. "Game of Thrones" had hundreds of murders and killings and depravity. Brutality with pretty costumes. "Westworld" includes gore, rape and massacres. Fun! "Joker" is streamed on HBO. It is lauded for the portrayal of an anti-hero criminal who kills and deforms people while celebrating mayhem and destruction. Go HBO!

They don't care if a film diminishes white people, the problem are those movies that show black people in acts of compliant servitude to white people in the antebellum South and after during the civil war era. It's all about political narratives and revisionist history.

 

[Rightguide]

Breaking news...there’s a Democrat wacko.

Christ, there’s a Republican (sort of) wacko in the Oval Office.

Not really.

 

[hogjack]

They don't care if a film diminishes white people, the problem are those movies that show black people in acts of compliant servitude to white people in the antebellum South and after during the civil war era. It's all about political narratives and revisionist history.

As long as they give a thumbs up to gore, death, torture, rape and destruction then it is HBO's choice.

 

[Lazaran]

I'm uncomfortable comparing any person to Jesus, but I do understand your point.
Have I seen the light? I' don't know. I think so. This is my light. People should obey the law. Police should honor their oath and execute their duty reasonably and as humanely as possible. People aren't doing that and the police aren't doing that. No one is saying that George Floyd (or anyone) should be free to pass counterfeit money (allegedly) and be publicly intoxicated (allegedly), are they?

I worked in a branch of law enforcement, so I can assure you I'm all about justice.

I was paid by the taxpayers to be better than the criminals, not much worse.

I can also assure you that I intervened if I saw any of my peers even getting close to sadistically abusing a prisoner. It didn't always make me popular at the moment, but I can't tell you how many times later at the bar one of them would thank me for intervening and admit that they got caught up in the moment. When prisoners are spitting on you and throwing other bodily fluids at you, it is hard to keep your cool. However, it doesn't excuse deviating from your training and your duty.

The criminals are supposed to be the bad guys.

The cops are supposed to be the good guys.

When that distinction becomes muddied by the behavior of bad cops, it becomes much more difficult to maintain a just society.

The history of policing in America doesn't help matters, and neither do cops like Derek Chauvin.

 

[scorpiobabe]

The criminals are supposed to be the bad guys.

The cops are supposed to be the good guys.

The cops ARE the good guys, generally speaking.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

The cops ARE the good guys, romantically speaking.

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