The genius of Giuliani!

shadowsource

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How he helped destroy the WTC:

City Had Been Warned of Fuel Tank at 7 World Trade Center
By JAMES GLANZ and ERIC LIPTON
The New Yort Times
12/20/01

Fire Department officials warned the city and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey in 1998 and 1999 that a giant diesel fuel tank for the mayor's $13 million command bunker in 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story high-rise that burned and collapsed on Sept. 11, posed a hazard and was not consistent with city fire codes.

The 6,000-gallon tank was positioned about 15 feet above the ground floor and near several lobby elevators and was meant to fuel generators that would supply electricity to the 23rd-floor bunker in the event of a power failure. Although the city made some design changes to address the concerns — moving a fuel pipe that would have run from the tank up an elevator shaft, for example — it left the tank in place.

But the Fire Department repeatedly warned that a tank in that position could spread fumes throughout the building if it leaked, or, if it caught fire, could produce what one Fire Department memorandum called "disaster."

Putting a tank underground typically protects it from falling debris, and impedes leaks or tank fires from spreading throughout the building.

Engineering experts have spent three months trying to determine why 7 World Trade Center, part of the downtown complex that included the 110-story towers, collapsed about seven hours after being damaged and set on fire by debris from the damaged landmark buildings.

Some of the experts, who said that no major skyscraper had ever collapsed simply because of fire damage, have recently been examining whether the diesel tanks — there were others beneath ground level — played an important role in the building's stunning demise.

The Port Authority, which owns the land on which the building stood and issued the building permit for the tank and its fireproof enclosure, said yesterday that it believed the structure had in fact met the terms of the city's fire code. Though the tank was on a tall fireproof pedestal, it was still effectively on the lowest floor of the building, as the code requires, said Frank Lombardi, the Port Authority's chief engineer.

The authority also worked with Fire Department officials to eliminate the department's original objections, Mr. Lombardi said.

"We made sure that it was in agreement with the code," Mr. Lombardi said, adding that the tank was placed in an eight-inch- thick masonry enclosure.

A spokesman for the Fire Department said yesterday that he could not authoritatively say whether all the concerns of its officials had been addressed by the Port Authority. But when reached yesterday, the department official who wrote several of the warning memorandums said he regarded the Port Authority's interpretation of the code to be "a stretch." The official, Battalion Chief William P. Blaich, said he still considered the tank's placement to have been unsafe.

The Port Authority has long held that, as a matter of law, it does not have to abide by city fire codes. But after the 1993 bombing of the towers, the Port Authority signed a memorandum of understanding with the city pledging to not only meet the city's fire codes, but also to often take additional precautions.

A spokesman for the city's office of emergency management, Francis E. McCarton, said the city accepted the Port Authority's determination that the tank and its placement were properly safe. He said it was essential that the mayor's command center have a backup energy source and placing it on ground floor was unacceptable because the area was deemed to be susceptible to floods.

"We put it in the area where we needed to put it," Mr. McCarton said. Any suggestion that the tank's position was a factor in the collapse of the building was "pure speculation," he said.

He added that the tank had fire extinguishers and was surrounded by the thick, fire-resistant containment system, and that the fiery collapse of the towers could never have been anticipated in the city's planning.

No one is believed to have died in the collapse of 7 World Trade Center. But its collapse did further complicate the rescue and recovery efforts under way at the scene.

The engineering and fire experts who have been examining the collapse of 7 World Trade Center have not settled on the final cause of the disaster. But they have seen evidence of very high temperatures typical of fuel fires in the debris from the building and have raised questions about whether the diesel accounted for those conditions.

At least two firefighters who were at the scene, Deputy Chief James Jackson and Battalion Chief Blaich, said that the southwest corner of the building near the fuel tank was severely damaged, possibly by falling debris, and that the tank might have been breached.

Mr. Jackson said that about an hour before the building's collapse, heavy black smoke, consistent with a fuel fire of some sort, was coming from that part of the building.

The Port Authority said it was unlikely the heavy masonry surrounding the tank could have been breached, and its officials have raised the possibility that the two diesel tanks buried just below the ground floor of the building might have contributed to the fire. They have also asserted that structural damage from falling debris is a more likely culprit in the collapse.

Several fire experts said that, whatever the questions surrounding the city's code, installing giant fuel tanks above the occupied spaces of a building posed serious risks.
 
I didn't bother reading your gaspipe story, Shadow, 'cause I wasn't all that interested in it but I will say two things about Giuliani.

1) In the days following the WTC attack he showed himself to be a charismatic American political leader (far more so than Little Bush) with the right words to suit the enormity of the situation.

2) He is the enemy of erotic freedom. Just ask any NYC based erotic dancer or sex-shop owner.
 
While I don't know Giuliani personally, I also don't like what I do know of him. He's about HIM and his public image, as much or more than what's good for New York City. HE is not a hero, he is simply a politician.

The article doesn't say alot about him, but rather that the port authority circumvented the law, or codes of the city. Whether they had permission or not, it doesn't make much of a difference, they did what many in the city aren't allowed to do, and that's not right, no matter who or what they are.

Most politicains are "publicly" against pornography, but SOME privately, as was the case here a decade+ ago, are porn/sex addicts, hoping not to get caught. (It must suck when you are saying on the news that you're against something, then you get busted for doing that very thing.)

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure some will but isn't he also the person who was having at least one affair, like so many politicians are guilty of? And people look up to him?

(just my $ .02)
 
Politicians are always the most perverse, and they always hate that anyone else is having any kinda fun.
 
what does guiliani have to do with the story anyway?

how is he even attached to it?

btw for chrissakes, the goddamned complex was HIT BY A FUCKNG PLANE! what the fuck do you want?

while we're at it, let's autopsy all the victims. hmmm...this one's actual cause ofdeath was a heart attack...probably because of the planes. oh, and this one was cut in two...probably because of the planes. oh and this one.....
 
Shadowsource, I see you are still here. You are like the black sheep of my family, Uncle Larry. It takes him months to leave and he has only been invited for dinner! So when is the finale'?
 
Why Giuliani?

When the people of NYC and the City Council opposed and mocked his plan to build a bunker for scores of millions of dollars on the 23rd floor of a skyscraper across the street from a well-kown, proven terrorist target, he vowed to spend the money whether or not it was legal. The bully always got his way in NYC.
The emergency command post wasn;t much use on 9/11, as it was evacuated at 9am, which is why he walked the streets so heroically in the dust.

Later on, he did a good job with the crisis.

But now it turns out that the city CAUSED the building to burn and collapse. The approvals came under pressure, if you read the story. What next? A lawsuit from hell, wherein the taxpayers of NYC are going to have to pay for a 60-story building, that's all.

Plus the building collapse on 9/11 forced the rescuers to evacuate and may have killed some of the few survivors being sought.

All in a day's work for America's No. 1 bully.
 
You were leaving and staying that way. Yes, I read that. You promised now.

You are the nastiest vermin around here. You revealed personal information on another lit member and you not only never apologized, you could have cared less.

Go away.
 
Killer -

I esxplained it to you on another board. What did I reveal? Her "name," which as I said, Miles had used mine in a post and no one commented, so it didn't seem like any sort of problem.

Secondly, I posted the note to expose Siren's unrelenting hypocrisy in winding me up about Cheyenne, and then being the first to kiss her ass after I signed out. The only personal info about Siren was what she said about Cheyenne - nothing about her home, location, sex life, philosophy, family situation, etc. So stay in denial and bitch about me. It's not as if you ever stood up for truth and justice anyway.

You come here to blow off steam. Fine. Enjoy yourself.

I return to articulate my thoughts on the pressing issues of the day. Ignore them, if you wish. I know for a fact that some people enjoy them. That's good enough for me.
 
Nobody is going to take you seriously with that sig line. At least nobody that's worth having a serious discussion with.
 
Listen Asswipe, I have been ignoring you to not excaserbate things but

:p
 
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shadow

Oh, yeah, and Miles is a pathetic geezer crank who knows next-to-nothing about anything....

I know a whiny bitch when I see one.

Didn't I tell you guys before it would come back? I think this is its third "I'm leaving because people are mean to me" shtick and indignant return. Just a matter of time before he gets a few newbies on his side. It is just like a toddler who doesn't care if it gets positive or negative attention - just give it SOME kind of attention. Being a pompous asshole is a surefire way to get people to notice, and shadow plays that part to a "T." He's a socially retarded worm.

Ever notice that it's impossible to insult him? What does that tell you?
 
Siren said:

Everyone knows Cheyenne and I didnt get along,
we do now.
I realized how classy a woman she really was
and how wrong I was to say the negative things I said.
I apologized to her.


Siren apologized and I accepted. There is no battle between us, no matter how hard someone tried to create one.
 
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Re: shadow

miles said:
Ever notice that it's impossible to insult him? What does that tell you? [/B]
to try harder next time

not getting involved in this argument , not because i have mellowed as some people claim but because i do not know enough about it.
peoples opinions do change and people have the right to change their minds as and when they so wish , that is the point of debate, to convince others .
theoriginal posting goes to prove this point , in hindsight we would all do things differently , some people on this board would do well to remember that
 
Re: Re: shadow

Unregistered said:

to try harder next time

not getting involved in this argument , not because i have mellowed as some people claim but because i do not know enough about it.
peoples opinions do change and people have the right to change their minds as and when they so wish , that is the point of debate, to convince others .
theoriginal posting goes to prove this point , in hindsight we would all do things differently , some people on this board would do well to remember that
 
That was Pabloback.

I'll bet a night with a bottle of champagne, a 9" dildo, and Rubyfruit in a hot tub.
 
How did ya know PC?

:p
 
Still here?

Cheyenne is a psychopathic busybody who has, with her incessant innuendoes and insinuations, caused me to depart from Literotica because it's not worth remaining here. That's why I'm leaving.

Shadow, check your own post. it clearly says in the first sentence of your sig line that "...caused me to depart from Literotica....". That is past tense and yet you are still here. Now in the last sentence of your sig line it clearly states, "...That's why I'm leaving", present tense. So which is it? Are you really gone and this is just Memorex or are you still here but will leave? Or are you going to stay till you get too old to type and keep posting that you are leaving? Now how can anyone take you seriously? You do not even take your ownself seriously. In another post of yours you said something to the effect that some people like reading your posts. No they don't. You are not even here, remember?
 
Problem Child said:
That was Pabloback.

I'll bet a night with a bottle of champagne, a 9" dildo, and Rubyfruit in a hot tub.
you have the dildo i have ruby , flip for choice of champagne or hot tub:D :p
 
Even a five-year old forgets that mean old mommy didn't buy him the Fruity Fucking Pebbles by the time the drive home from Big Bob's Grocery Emporium is over.


Give it a fucking rest.

Grow up.

Pull your fucking head out of your ass.

Stop using your cock for a flesh popsickle.

Act like an adult.

Give it up.

Stop kicking that horse, it died two months ago, and the maggots and rotten meat are staining your Birkenstocks.

Move on.

Quit whining...you are growing hoarse, like someone gagged you with a lump of dried dogshit.

Cheyenne has let the thing drop. Miles still spouts off (Miles take the high road and shut up about this, please) but he doesn't have vicious shit in his sig line.

Marxist has grown weary of it and is acting like a grownup.

You are the retarded boy at the MENSA convention. You are "one of these things that doesn't fit with the others".

If you were a character in a Christmas movie, you would be one of the fucking misfits, and that idiot boy who wanted to be a dentist would be trying to fix your rotten teeth.

You're the Grinch...even your fucking dog hates you. But all of us Who's down in Whoville are singing, and little Cheyenne Who is singing loudest.

I used to admire your intelligence and knowledge. Now I just think you're a really smart, really immature fuckhead who doesn't have the sense to know when the war is over.

Shut the fuck up or leave.
 
Problem Child

You post four times in the thread and tell me to shut up?
 
PC, that was a classic rant if I have ever seen one

:p
 
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