The election is over, we see the contours of what lies ahead for the next four years.

[RobDownSouth]

A belief is more powerful than a fact.

You've never let pesky facts get in the way of The Narrative.

Since 1999, it's the Andra Jenny Show!

 

[Recidiva]

I wasn't around at the time, who'd you end up voting for, 4est?

 

[mercury14]

A belief is more powerful than a fact.

"It is not half so important to know as to feel."
Rachel Carson

Ish believes that the entire private insurance industry has collapsed since Obamacare was upheld.

Ish believes that Sharia Law can trump the Constitution.

Just saying....

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I wasn't around at the time, who'd you end up voting for, 4est?

Barack Hussein Obama


I believe that the only cure is to give them what they demand and see how they like it.

"The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else. ... there is only one remedy: time. People have to learn, through hard experience, the enormous disadvantage there is in plundering one another."
Frédéric Bastiat

If they see the results of what they demand and still content themselves that they did the right thing, then we, as humans have proved once again that better the security of serfdom and mediocrity than the attempt to succeed in Liberty and run the risk of failing.

"Society has for its element man, who is a free agent; and since man is free, he may choose -- since he may choose, he may be mistaken -- since he may be mistaken, he may suffer....
I have faith in the wisdom of the laws of Providence, and for the same reason I have faith in liberty."
Frédéric Bastiat

All of the ages of man have taught us the condition of tribal, communal sharing; no one other than Atilla and the Witch Doctor have more than anyone else.

Equality 7-2521

 

[Recidiva]

Barack Hussein Obama


I believe that the only cure is to give them what they demand and see how they like it.

"The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else. ... there is only one remedy: time. People have to learn, through hard experience, the enormous disadvantage there is in plundering one another."
Frédéric Bastiat

If they see the results of what they demand and still content themselves that they did the right thing, then we, as humans have proved once again that better the security of serfdom and mediocrity than the attempt to succeed in Liberty and run the risk of failing.

"Society has for its element man, who is a free agent; and since man is free, he may choose -- since he may choose, he may be mistaken -- since he may be mistaken, he may suffer....
I have faith in the wisdom of the laws of Providence, and for the same reason I have faith in liberty."
Frédéric Bastiat

All of the ages of man have taught us the condition of tribal, communal sharing; no one other than Atilla and the Witch Doctor have more than anyone else.

Equality 7-2521

So you have faith in giving people enough rope to hang themselves, but if they actually use the rope for its intended purposes, such as weaving a ladder to drag themselves out of economic ruin, it's whose fault?

 

[mercury14]

I wasn't around at the time, who'd you end up voting for, 4est?

AJ votes for liberals to teach liberals a lesson.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So you have faith in giving people enough rope to hang themselves, but if they actually use the rope for its intended purposes, such as weaving a ladder to drag themselves out of economic ruin, it's whose fault?

Socialism has yet to create a rope ladder.

The cost always goes up until it collapses; no one ever will accept less if they feel that someone else is getting more. This is why taxing the 2% "just a little more" is such a powerful argument; we are now no longer a people, a melting pot, but a collection of tribes competing over dwindling resource.

Eventually, as in the Motor Factory Galt quit, you get a competition between the groups to prove that they are the unassailable victim. This will always be the end result of using and all-powerful central government to enact as the agent of charity; it is assumed to have boundless resources and elected officials have to deliver or lose to the promise of delivery.

In America, they first came for the very rich and I didn't speak up because I wasn't rich," said the Rev. Imadem Doinggood. "Then they came for the Bourgeoisie and I didn't speak up because I wasn't Bourgeois. Then they came for the Upper Middle Class blue-collar workers. I didn't speak up because I was a Government clerk. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak up.
A_J, the Stupid

 

[RobDownSouth]

AJ votes for liberals to teach liberals a lesson.

No, no, you forget....he was gonna vote for Obama to teach America a lesson, but then you pissed him off about something so he opted instead to vote for Romney to teach YOU a lesson.

AJ is all about teachin' lessons.

 

[zipman]

Or just another example of ignorance and superstition winning out over science and reason.

Ishmael

This brought to you by the republican party, believers that:

Vaginas are magical and can prevent pregnancy after rape.

Intelligent design is better than evolution as a theory

The Earth is only 6,000 years old.

Jesus rode on dinosaurs

etc. etc. etc.

 

[Recidiva]

AJ votes for liberals to teach liberals a lesson.

If only a liberal had been running. Instead we had a fairly grab-bag set of issues in a Democratic president who persisted in not closing Guantanamo, not enacting gun control and took four years to reluctantly support gay rights.

It's almost like the guy had strong personal opinions and ideals. Go figure, him being a Muslim Kenyan Socialist and all.

Mitt would have been okay, he was actually the same sort of guy, but mostly was just accustomed to following poll data, running where he thought he could win and then throwing money at problems. He'd have probably done okay because he'd have continued to do the same thing. Plus...it'd do wonders for actual religious freedom versus the freedom to be only one flavor of Christian.

 

[mercury14]

Socialism has yet to create a rope ladder.

The cost always goes up until it collapses; no one ever will accept less if they feel that someone else is getting more. This is why taxing the 2% "just a little more" is such a powerful argument; we are now no longer a people, a melting pot, but a collection of tribes competing over dwindling resource.

Demonstrably wrong. Socialized medicine is half the price of our current system because of a socialized model rather than a profit-driven model. Stop saying things with no basis in reality.

 

[Recidiva]

Socialism has yet to create a rope ladder.

The cost always goes up until it collapses; no one ever will accept less if they feel that someone else is getting more. This is why taxing the 2% "just a little more" is such a powerful argument; we are now no longer a people, a melting pot, but a collection of tribes competing over dwindling resource.

Eventually, as in the Motor Factory Galt quit, you get a competition between the groups to prove that they are the unassailable victim. This will always be the end result of using and all-powerful central government to enact as the agent of charity; it is assumed to have boundless resources and elected officials have to deliver or lose to the promise of delivery.

In America, they first came for the very rich and I didn't speak up because I wasn't rich," said the Rev. Imadem Doinggood. "Then they came for the Bourgeoisie and I didn't speak up because I wasn't Bourgeois. Then they came for the Upper Middle Class blue-collar workers. I didn't speak up because I was a Government clerk. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak up.
A_J, the Stupid

Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid are pretty decent socialist rope ladders to counteract destitution in the face of the human conditions of aging and illness.

 

[julybaby04]

Ripples from the Election
Victor Davis Hanson, NRO
December 11, 2012

Great Article......Completely Agree!!

 

[mercury14]

Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid are pretty decent socialist rope ladders to counteract destitution in the face of the human conditions of aging and illness.

AJ will ignore this post.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid are pretty decent socialist rope ladders to counteract destitution in the face of the human conditions of aging and illness.

The GOP has mounted 5 major assaults to repeal Medicare over the years

 

[Ishmael]

A belief is more powerful than a fact.

"It is not half so important to know as to feel."
Rachel Carson

There is a whole raft of folks that believe that having insurance is synonymous with 'access.' Approx. 21 million more folks are going to have insurance of one sort or another under this plan. We already have a physician shortage of 13,000 with that number expected to climb to 130,000 over the next 10 years. (I have no idea if that curve is linear or semi-logarithmic.) In most locales, under the existing system it is not unusual for the patient to wait 6 months or more to see their primary care physician. For some specialties (neurological) the wait might be a year or more.

I foresee a huge wave of anger when these folks that are going to be forced to purchase insurance find out that they can't see a doctor. A real rude awakening is going to set in when they find out that they are going to essentially receive the same level of care under insurance that they received when they sat in the emergency room. Demonstrations and riots will be common in the beginning.

The folks with the Cadillac plans are going to get preferential treatment, just as they do today, primarily because the carriers providing those plans pay a little more promptly and cash flow is king. People get all bent out of shape when they find out that the government pays $50 for a hammer that they can go to Home Depot and buy for $15. The reason is simple, the government is a REAL SLOW payer. Anyone doing biz. with the government should consider themselves fortunate if they get paid within 6 months. It is often even longer before the check comes in. The provider has to carry that 'bad' debt on their books, and finance same, for that period of time. Consequently even one pads the cost to cover the financing they are forced to carry. Extend that into the health care industry and try to make the case that costs are going to fall.

I would also expect to see an increase in 'cash and carry' health care. The upper 10% will be able to see physicians at will, and at substantial discounts for services, merely by paying COD. (Actually this is already taking place in certain areas.)

Ishmael

 

[Byron In Exile]

I already reported you for the $50 bounty...

Do not wiggle too much and I will shoot the hangman's rope.

Omg... standing on that cross...

 

[Recidiva]

AJ will ignore this post.

Fortunately voters didn't.

 

[Byron In Exile]

I wasn't around at the time, who'd you end up voting for, 4est?

I would not vote for the AJ.

He is loco.

 

[julybaby04]

There is a whole raft of folks that believe that having insurance is synonymous with 'access.' Approx. 21 million more folks are going to have insurance of one sort or another under this plan. We already have a physician shortage of 13,000 with that number expected to climb to 130,000 over the next 10 years. (I have no idea if that curve is linear or semi-logarithmic.) In most locales, under the existing system it is not unusual for the patient to wait 6 months or more to see their primary care physician. For some specialties (neurological) the wait might be a year or more.

I foresee a huge wave of anger when these folks that are going to be forced to purchase insurance find out that they can't see a doctor. A real rude awakening is going to set in when they find out that they are going to essentially receive the same level of care under insurance that they received when they sat in the emergency room. Demonstrations and riots will be common in the beginning.

The folks with the Cadillac plans are going to get preferential treatment, just as they do today, primarily because the carriers providing those plans pay a little more promptly and cash flow is king. People get all bent out of shape when they find out that the government pays $50 for a hammer that they can go to Home Depot and buy for $15. The reason is simple, the government is a REAL SLOW payer. Anyone doing biz. with the government should consider themselves fortunate if they get paid within 6 months. It is often even longer before the check comes in. The provider has to carry that 'bad' debt on their books, and finance same, for that period of time. Consequently even one pads the cost to cover the financing they are forced to carry. Extend that into the health care industry and try to make the case that costs are going to fall.

I would also expect to see an increase in 'cash and carry' health care. The upper 10% will be able to see physicians at will, and at substantial discounts for services, merely by paying COD. (Actually this is already taking place in certain areas.)

Ishmael

Also include the $63.00/year that will be assessed to everyone who has healthcare, to compensate for pre-existing conditions. That starts in 2014. Merry Christmas!

 

[mercury14]

The GOP has mounted 5 major assaults to repeal Medicare over the years

Then come election time they swear none of this ever happened and that it's the Democratic party that's trying to take away Medicare.

 

[mercury14]

There is a whole raft of folks that believe that having insurance is synonymous with 'access.' Approx. 21 million more folks are going to have insurance of one sort or another under this plan. We already have a physician shortage of 13,000 with that number expected to climb to 130,000 over the next 10 years. (I have no idea if that curve is linear or semi-logarithmic.) In most locales, under the existing system it is not unusual for the patient to wait 6 months or more to see their primary care physician. For some specialties (neurological) the wait might be a year or more.

I foresee a huge wave of anger when these folks that are going to be forced to purchase insurance find out that they can't see a doctor. A real rude awakening is going to set in when they find out that they are going to essentially receive the same level of care under insurance that they received when they sat in the emergency room. Demonstrations and riots will be common in the beginning.

The folks with the Cadillac plans are going to get preferential treatment, just as they do today, primarily because the carriers providing those plans pay a little more promptly and cash flow is king. People get all bent out of shape when they find out that the government pays $50 for a hammer that they can go to Home Depot and buy for $15. The reason is simple, the government is a REAL SLOW payer. Anyone doing biz. with the government should consider themselves fortunate if they get paid within 6 months. It is often even longer before the check comes in. The provider has to carry that 'bad' debt on their books, and finance same, for that period of time. Consequently even one pads the cost to cover the financing they are forced to carry. Extend that into the health care industry and try to make the case that costs are going to fall.

I would also expect to see an increase in 'cash and carry' health care. The upper 10% will be able to see physicians at will, and at substantial discounts for services, merely by paying COD. (Actually this is already taking place in certain areas.)

Ishmael

You're making the same mistake as the rest of your ilk: assuming the healthcare system is static and has no ability to adapt, increase the rate of doctor training, become more efficient in care, or use other medical professionals more wisely.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Barack Hussein Obama

I believe that the only cure is to give them what they demand and see how they like it.

And yet, you know your State didn't matter, right?

 

[Recidiva]

I would not vote for the AJ.

He is loco.

I wouldn't vote for me either. I find that although diplomacy is a useful skill, I prefer having the luxury of being blunt.

 

[mercury14]

Also include the $63.00/year that will be assessed to everyone who has healthcare, to compensate for pre-existing conditions. That starts in 2014. Merry Christmas!

Where are you getting this?

And five bucks a month for families to be assured that if their child develops diabetes that they'll still have insurance? Sounds like an amazing deal to me. How much should it cost instead, $4 per month?