The election is over, we see the contours of what lies ahead for the next four years.

[julybaby04]

Well, that's something. That should be my new motto. "Nowhere near as creepily insane as that cunt!"

Very nice isn't it? Disagree with someone and the name calling begins. That is so clever.....and kind. (nothing knew here.....I think I have been called most every name possible only for my opposing views......so much for tolerance from those that refer to themselves as that tolerant liberal party.... )

hypocritical is a better word for them.

 

[Recidiva]

I don't believe in the government being a Good Samaritan because their motives have nothing to do with truly helping people....it is all about money, power, and getting votes in the next election....period.

Charity, as defined by the government, does not mean to endlessly give them handouts because that is the easy way. If the government truly wanted these people to not suffer, to have a better life, to succeed in life, then they would require these people to do something in their lives as well. People who work for what they have, put more value on what they have.

I would be careful in assuming that just because I do not want the government buying people off, that I do not want those people helped. I would also be very careful in assuming that because I prefer to help people on a daily basis in my own town, with my children at my side (after school), that I know nothing of helping people and I do not care about people.

Most importantly, I would be very very careful, if I were you, in judging my Christianity. You know not of what you assume. Yes, there are many who view Christianity as Santa...as long as you do as God says, the health and wealth will follow. This is the exact same sentiment coming from those who are on welfare and food stamps....do what you are told and you will be taken care of.

The problem with both of those is that they both are inaccurate. What happens to the Christian who tries to live their live as God instructs and loses everything they had or is stricken with a horrible illness? Not living good enough? Not saying the right things? Not going to church enough? Of course not.....being a follower of Christ is no guarantee that the life will be happy and full of wealth.....to be honest, it is probably going to be a challenge as that is how we learn who God is, and learn to trust Him.

Same as for those who depend on the government (by the way of others) for their livelihood. Their lives will never get better unless they do something themselves to make it better. They will never be happy or fulfilled living off others.

The person who claims Christ as their Savior will be busy living their lives in such a way as to bring glory to God. Everything else is truly meaningless. God tells us to help those in need...but this is a good example.....

2 Thessalonians 3:11-12 says, For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living.

Proverbs 10:4 says, A slack hand causes poverty, but the hand of the diligent makes rich.

Help those in need....but help them make their own way. Do not encourage their idleness. Be there to show them how to make a better way. Help them. Here are some ways...

.... Drive them to the library to use the computer to apply for jobs, if they do not have one and help them fill it out.

.......Take them to job interviews.

.......Take them to the beauty salon to get a fresh hair cut, or whatever, to give them the confidence in themselves to go on that job interview.

.......Help them find work appropriate clothing, if they get the job (or for the interview)

......Work with them on their reading skills, if lacking.

......Teach them how to make a budget

......Help them secure transportation to a new job when they get hired

....just a few things to do (and this comes from experience, by the way.....)

Actually, giving things is exactly what charity is. A meal or a bottle of water or a blanket handed out by the government is not a symbol, it's a real thing with real value. You waving a denial wand doesn't negate the fact that the government does a great deal of good. We no longer have child slavery or child labor. There are so many benefits to the watch and standards of government that other people wouldn't do otherwise unless they were compelled by law. You take too many of them for granted.

That's a lot of words to explain how you don't understand the word and don't practice it.

That's what charity is. Giving what you could otherwise use to someone else. Otherwise it's called "trash."

I really don't need to be that careful. I have opinions and if you don't like them, I'm not afraid that the Internet Fairy will strike me down with her...powers of misspelling or something. I'm not attacking "your religion" - I am pointing out a difference between what you say you believe, what governments really do, and the tenets of Christianity as expressed.

The things you've described prettty much have programs covering that under social services.

 

[Recidiva]

The First Rule Of Theft By Earmark Or Fine Print:

Bury It In Reams Of Paper

I learned of the Lorem Ipsum yesterday. Unfortunately much of what you post looks like that.

I am a Feynmanian. I believe in elegance.

Not that you could tell from one of my posts taken at random, it's a work in progress.

 

[Sean]

Very nice isn't it? Disagree with someone and the name calling begins. That is so clever.....and kind. (nothing knew here.....I think I have been called most every name possible only for my opposing views......so much for tolerance from those that refer to themselves as that tolerant liberal party.... )

hypocritical is a better word for them.

Hey retard, not everything is about you.

 

[zipman]

Very nice isn't it? Disagree with someone and the name calling begins. That is so clever.....and kind. (nothing knew here.....I think I have been called most every name possible only for my opposing views......so much for tolerance from those that refer to themselves as that tolerant liberal party.... )

hypocritical is a better word for them.

Or... the party of intolerance doesn't like it when that intolerance is directed at them for a change.

 

[Exquisition]

That would be faith, hope and love.....and the greatest of these is love.

1 Cor. 13:13.....

suppose it depends on which version you read (your's is from the King James)....mine is pretty much every other translation.

Nice, but it doesn't get round the abject hypocrisy, unless, of course, in the Bible (whatever translation you feel good with) there is a fairly lengthy annotation in the foot notes explaining what God meant in relation to race, nationality and class in the context of that Corinthian quote.

You can't be 'slightly charitable' depending on your political views. And pointing your finger at the government to abrograte your personal responsibility as a follower of Christ is cute but it doesn't really follow the doctrine of the good book 100% does it?

You don't get to pick and choose charity. Compassion isn't something you 'play at' when the politics fit into your cosy, relatively privileged view of the world.

Your lengthy rebuttal to Recidiva is the sort of smoke and mirrors those that play at piety and compassion tend to make while clapping themselves on the back at how compassionate they are.

I'm a wonderful person! All that pesky poor migrant nonsense is the responsibility of the government and I say "government let them suffer. Not in my back yard, uh uh."

Re-read some of your posts and tell me if that is what Jesus would have preached in the temples.

 

[Sean]

Or... the party of intolerance doesn't like it when that intolerance is directed at them for a change.

I don't think I've ever referred to myself as tolerant. As far as I'm concerned, that's a VASTLY overrated virtue.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Very nice isn't it? Disagree with someone and the name calling begins. That is so clever.....and kind. (nothing knew here.....I think I have been called most every name possible only for my opposing views......so much for tolerance from those that refer to themselves as that tolerant liberal party.... )

hypocritical is a better word for them.

Obama's a Muslim and libruls are nasty intolerant hypocrites.

But hai, you're the victim of name-calling here.

 

[Recidiva]

Very nice isn't it? Disagree with someone and the name calling begins. That is so clever.....and kind. (nothing knew here.....I think I have been called most every name possible only for my opposing views......so much for tolerance from those that refer to themselves as that tolerant liberal party.... )

hypocritical is a better word for them.

Well, first off, I was making a joke. Sean has a sense of humor.

If you have problems with name calling, this probably isn't a good place for you.

Shall I ready your martyr shroud? People could scrawl colorful things on it.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Well, first off, I was making a joke. Sean has a sense of humor.

If you have problems with name calling, this probably isn't a good place for you.

Shall I ready your martyr shroud? People could scrawl colorful things on it.

Conservative Christians are soooo cute when they play the persecution card. Makes 'em all victimy and stuff.

 

[Recidiva]

Conservative Christians are soooo cute when they play the persecution card. Makes 'em all victimy and stuff.

Well, you have to imagine it's Christlike.

"That guy called someone else a cunt and someone else quoted it, it's about ME!"

 

[julybaby04]

Actually, giving things is exactly what charity is. A meal or a bottle of water or a blanket handed out by the government is not a symbol, it's a real thing with real value. You waving a denial wand doesn't negate the fact that the government does a great deal of good. We no longer have child slavery or child labor. There are so many benefits to the watch and standards of government that other people wouldn't do otherwise unless they were compelled by law. You take too many of them for granted.

That's a lot of words to explain how you don't understand the word and don't practice it.

That's what charity is. Giving what you could otherwise use to someone else. Otherwise it's called "trash."

I really don't need to be that careful. I have opinions and if you don't like them, I'm not afraid that the Internet Fairy will strike me down with her...powers of misspelling or something. I'm not attacking "your religion" - I am pointing out a difference between what you say you believe, what governments really do, and the tenets of Christianity as expressed.

The things you've described prettty much have programs covering that under social services.

That last part confirms my point....don't need the government to do that! People are perfectly capable of taking care of others, and oh my gosh, just because they truly care about them and want to.

Yes you have opinions....as do I. And yes, you were questioning my be a follower of Christ saying I believe things that are different from what I do. You seem to say that as I do not view the government as anointed to cover everyone for every thing in their life. I think people have much more value than what the government apparently does.

...and I don't recall child labor being under the realm of entitlements (or charity as you put it). Child labor was an issue that needed to be addressed...and has been.

Perhaps the denial you speak of comes from your own mind in that it is easier to demand others "take care of" those in need rather than having each take responsibility for themselves. I think people are far superior to what the controlling area of the government believes they are.

Equal amounts of help from others, personal responsibility for getting work, and faith in these people will go very far in them beginning to live better lives.

 

[trysail]

Fuckin' world-savers; they're just happy as pigs in shit to spend money— as long as it's somebody else's money.

The urge to save humanity is almost always
a false front for the urge to rule.

- H. L. Mencken​

 

[Recidiva]

That last part confirms my point....don't need the government to do that! People are perfectly capable of taking care of others, and oh my gosh, just because they truly care about them and want to.

Yes you have opinions....as do I. And yes, you were questioning my be a follower of Christ saying I believe things that are different from what I do. You seem to say that as I do not view the government as anointed to cover everyone for every thing in their life. I think people have much more value than what the government apparently does.

...and I don't recall child labor being under the realm of entitlements (or charity as you put it). Child labor was an issue that needed to be addressed...and has been.

Perhaps the denial you speak of comes from your own mind in that it is easier to demand others "take care of" those in need rather than having each take responsibility for themselves. I think people are far superior to what the controlling area of the government believes they are.

Equal amounts of help from others, personal responsibility for getting work, and faith in these people will go very far in them beginning to live better lives.

Government is comprised of people. Flawed, awful, wonderful and graceful, you don't get to decide they're all bad and they're all worthless. You don't need to anoint the government, I'm just asking you not to demonize it.

And...how would child labor have been "addressed" if it weren't through legislation and a judicial penalty?

 

[julybaby04]

Obama's a Muslim and libruls are nasty intolerant hypocrites.

But hai, you're the victim of name-calling here.

I don't think saying someone was raised in the Muslim faith is name calling....is it? I am called Christian...not an insult to me!!

Don't think I ever used the word nasty to describe any person here. Intolerant, yes, ....hypocrites...yes. (both use against me as well).

As far as other words, like the poster did....nope. I don't call names like that. Not a victim as I know those words have no truth to them.....but it is interesting to see the anger for an opposing view.....and with words that are used.

 

[cjh]

I learned of the Lorem Ipsum yesterday. Unfortunately much of what you post looks like that.

I am a Feynmanian. I believe in elegance.

Not that you could tell from one of my posts taken at random, it's a work in progress.

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[Recidiva]

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I went to dinner with my brother in law, who is a graphic artist, and he had a wide bracelet with a section of it printed on it. I was reading the wiki page on it, and my favorite part that cautioned people taking clips of it off the internet should scan it for offensive speech

Awesome.

 

[Ishmael]

No we're not going to run too many out. We're not going to insure them in the short term but we'll pay for their care whether they're insured or not.

Spoken like a true philanthropist playing free and loose with other peoples money. You want the workers of this nation to support every freeloader that comes down the pike.

Ishmael

 

[julybaby04]

Government is comprised of people. Flawed, awful, wonderful and graceful, you don't get to decide they're all bad and they're all worthless. You don't need to anoint the government, I'm just asking you not to demonize it.

And...how would child labor have been "addressed" if it weren't through legislation and a judicial penalty?

Child labor is not even an issue here......has nothing to do with what was being discussed. It was bad and needed to be addressed.....it was and has consequences if abused.

As far as the government.....what difference could it possibly make if I do not necessarily trust those in office. They have not give any reason to trust them in the last few years (many years). The draw of power and money is huge in DC. Even those with the most basic of real ideas get swallowed up there. There are big machines on both sides.....it is about those people there and who comes out on top more than on what happens to the people they were elected to represent.

I obey laws, do what I am mandated to do. I don't have to like it, but I do it.

 

[Sean]

Garbled Cicero. Oy vey.

 

[Recidiva]

Child labor is not even an issue here......has nothing to do with what was being discussed. It was bad and needed to be addressed.....it was and has consequences if abused.

As far as the government.....what difference could it possibly make if I do not necessarily trust those in office. They have not give any reason to trust them in the last few years (many years). The draw of power and money is huge in DC. Even those with the most basic of real ideas get swallowed up there. There are big machines on both sides.....it is about those people there and who comes out on top more than on what happens to the people they were elected to represent.

I obey laws, do what I am mandated to do. I don't have to like it, but I do it.

Yes, it really does have much to do with it. There are past abuses that went on that required government intervention to fix. We still need it to keep that at bay and we also need further protections on rights that aren't yet law but should be.

That's fine, you don't have to love being a member of a society, but don't excuse yourself from being a decent human being because you have convinced yourself nobody else has standards of behavior that should be emulated.

Unfortunately you keep choosing the lowest common denominator as the standard of behavior and you're refusing to allow that there are a lot of good people out there doing good things and they're doing it in the government as their job.

 

[Exquisition]

Spoken like a true philanthropist playing free and loose with other peoples money. You want the workers of this nation to support every freeloader that comes down the pike.

Ishmael

Nope, I would just prefer that some people didn't hide behind religion spouting piety then show their real, intolerant, uncharitable selves when the economic shit hits the fan (courtesy of a flawed capitalist system but that's another thread).

 

[cjh]

I went to dinner with my brother in law, who is a graphic artist, and he had a wide bracelet with a section of it printed on it. I was reading the wiki page on it, and my favorite part that cautioned people taking clips of it off the internet should scan it for offensive speech

Awesome.

Where's Byron when you need him?

 

[julybaby04]

Yes, it really does have much to do with it. There are past abuses that went on that required government intervention to fix. We still need it to keep that at bay and we also need further protections on rights that aren't yet law but should be.

That's fine, you don't have to love being a member of a society, but don't excuse yourself from being a decent human being because you have convinced yourself nobody else has standards of behavior that should be emulated.

Unfortunately you keep choosing the lowest common denominator as the standard of behavior and you're refusing to allow that there are a lot of good people out there doing good things and they're doing it in the government as their job.

We can agree to disagree.

We have different points of view and see the people in the government differently. That is why there is an election. I will deal with the next four years as best I can.

I do not know why you think I have no desire to be part of a society....I do not believe I ever said that. I don't agree with the entitlement mentality, but that does not make me oppose to society.

Also not sure why you assume I am not a decent human being.....other than I disagree with your views.

...anyway.....we can just agree to disagree.

 

[Recidiva]

Nope, I would just prefer that some people didn't hide behind religion spouting piety then show their real, intolerant, uncharitable selves when the economic shit hits the fan (courtesy of a flawed capitalist system but that's another thread).

I'd love to see how all humans in the past have always worked under perfect situations.

Sometimes I feel my ancestors are facepalming. "I used to have to crawl through parasites on my way to school! Uphill! Both ways! And we didn't even know what parasites were, we just call them demons and burned people very now and then. Did we complain? Well...yes...but not out loud. Burning hurts."