the edge

[Netzach]

Ok, the head is a delicate object.

A dv victim can be disfigured for life by two bad punches.

A guy can do wrestling Judo and boxing his whole life and still have a pretty face and a more functional brain than mine, even if his nose is more flexy from being broken.

Rugby dykes can run around campus with sitches in their lips and swilling beer.

OSG can get slapped up and still write articulate and thoughtful messages here.

I can get bopped in my huge semitic nose 200 times and never get a nosebleed once in my entire stinking life.

Another friend of mine will need reconstruction to her nose from colliding with someone in a soccer game.

Life is a crapshoot and it's good to know the risks. It's also your body.

Wear your helmet.

Or don't.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Pure against my better judgement but because I do so enjoy this kind of useless intercourse with words, it is good to see that you respond so rapidly to an order to answer a post that started with ‘If you do not want to read a rant or read a lecture pass on.” You were warned at the beginning of the post. Incidentally the whole post was written on purpose in a way that does not name a person especially to not attack a single individual.

Like I said my post was a rant not meant to be discussed or picked apart, just a rant. I would normally not have even answered RR, but you see I like RR, he is normally quite honest about his perversions and I respect that.

About taking up the gloves, I do not let others pick my fights nor do I extend invitations to a nice shouting match to a person that is not invited. As far as I can see I was challenged by RR and I responded to RR. I was not aware you and RR are the same person, although I do find it strange that he starts something and then forwards it to you, bad form my dear, or he must have been your second but then he should have said so and contacted my second.

RR Catalina is more than capable to express her opinions and does not need help from me in any way. I wonder are you actually saying that since she has expressed an opinion on this thread I should not, or that because my opinion is similar to hers I should not express it? I do not tell you not to express your opinions.

Francisco.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Fransisc.

Your "tone", old shoe, while learned and even forceful at times, is never-to my knowledge--pompous, know-it-all and holier-than-thou in the way achieved frequently by your paramour. Express away, not that you need my say-so.

There's nothing more to be said about this business of "tone", by me anyway. It was all covered back in the Fidelity Wars, what? Catalina will continue to lay down the law as she sees fit and others will call her on it from time to time. Prickly individualists in the edge play and polyamory worlds, by Jove!

carry on

rosco

 

[Pure]

Hi Francisco,

you said in part

it is good to see that you respond so rapidly to an order to answer a post that started with ‘If you do not want to read a rant or read a lecture pass on.” You were warned at the beginning of the post.

[...]like I said my post was a rant not meant to be discussed or picked apart, just a rant.

Let's see if I follow you: You posted something labeled a 'rant' on a thread discussing edge play. That label meant it was not to be discussed or picked apart. (reproduced, second, at the end).

Somehow I did not guess that was the rule.

But I suppose since no coherent position was set out in either that posting or your most recent one (reproduced first, below), _on the matter at hand_ I should have guessed.

I'll try not to make that mistake again. Perhaps I'll be brief and just reiterate my humble deference to your authority.

There's some other complaint about your inviting one person to respond, and finding that I did so also, and that's against another of your rules and bad somehow-- but that's such a silly thing to say, I must be misreading you.

Regards,
'pure'

--
Francisco in full, most recent.

Pure against my better judgement but because I do so enjoy this kind of useless intercourse with words, it is good to see that you respond so rapidly to an order to answer a post that started with ‘If you do not want to read a rant or read a lecture pass on.” You were warned at the beginning of the post. Incidentally the whole post was written on purpose in a way that does not name a person especially to not attack a single individual.

Like I said my post was a rant not meant to be discussed or picked apart, just a rant. I would normally not have even answered RR, but you see I like RR, he is normally quite honest about his perversions and I respect that.

About taking up the gloves, I do not let others pick my fights nor do I extend invitations to a nice shouting match to a person that is not invited. As far as I can see I was challenged by RR and I responded to RR. I was not aware you and RR are the same person, although I do find it strange that he starts something and then forwards it to you, bad form my dear, or he must have been your second but then he should have said so and contacted my second.

RR Catalina is more than capable to express her opinions and does not need help from me in any way. I wonder are you actually saying that since she has expressed an opinion on this thread I should not, or that because my opinion is similar to hers I should not express it? I do not tell you not to express your opinions.

Francisco.
---
Francisco's 'rant', not to be discussed:

If you do not want to read a rant or read a lecture pass on, skip this post. If you are not open for sincere concern pass on skip this post, if you decide to not skip it be warned I take full responsibility for my words and if you are insulted by it I do not care.

I am an edge player, I do breath play, cutting, I use a bullwhip, I have on regular occasion with different partners drawn blood with my whipping and spanking and caning. I enjoy giving pain and sometimes it feels as if the more I give the better, there seems to be almost no limit to the amount of pain I am willing to give and the amount of pain I enjoy giving.

But I do have limits, I happen to think that it is better not to cripple your partner, this is of course not only out of an altruistic notion but also purely out of a selfish one. It takes time and effort to find a good partner and it takes time to train a submissive/ slave. It is such a waste if I misplace that investment, also there is this little thing called the law and you know what, even with BDSM being legal in the Netherlands (yes I know we are Sodom and Gomorrah combined into one nice package) if I put my partner in the hospital I could be prosecuted and put into jail, which although I am bi-curious and could be interesting on some levels is a place I rather avoid.

It is a good thing when we talk about edge play to be careful in what we say and how we say it. We need to make clear of the safety rules to follow. It is important not to take things personal and not to become too defensive about it. If you do edge play there are areas which we should avoid and which we should not partake in. Education about what we do and how we do it is important, self delusion/denial is the first step into becoming a corpse or even worse a vegetable. In my daily job I deal with risk and risk management, it is impossible to avoid all risk in life and it is especially impossible for us who do edge play. But taking risks is not the problem; it is being aware of them and trying to avoid them to the best of your ability.

For example if you and your partner have an urge to take a sledgehammer and start hitting each other, there is a real risk to break a couple of bones. If you happen to hit a head, there might be a risk of some quite severe brain damage. However it could of course be argued that if you take a sledgehammer to someone’s head you probably already have some brain damage.

My point in all of this, if you do edge play and do not get yourself informed and delude yourself into thinking there is no risk worth thinking about, you must already have brain damage.

Last point; please think about this, if you happen to be a great proclaimer of edge play and do not warn others of the risks, I hope you do not mind living with a death or two on your conscience because that could be one of the consequences.

Francisco.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Pure I am happy to see that you are finally humbly deferring to my authority, was about time.

Rosco since we are fraternising, shortening names, and giving compliments to each other. I would like to tell you of an old game we used to play at primary school, we old people have this habit of telling boring stories.

When I was about 9 years old we used to try to push each others buttons, trying to find the weakness in the harness to make the other party rant or go berserk. By now a couple of years later and just a couple of years I say, it does not feel more then 10, I do not play that game anymore, outgrown it.

Francisco.
A survivor of the Fidelity Wars and surviving equals victory in a war.

 

[emme]

Use Wisely Your Freedom of Choice

I never thought I would be quoting Neal Bortz.


Emme

 

[rosco rathbone]

Rosco since we are fraternising, shortening names, and giving compliments to each other. I would like to tell you of an old game we used to play at primary school, we old people have this habit of telling boring stories.

When I was about 9 years old we used to try to push each others buttons, trying to find the weakness in the harness to make the other party rant or go berserk. By now a couple of years later and just a couple of years I say, it does not feel more then 10, I do not play that game anymore, outgrown it.

Francisco.
A survivor of the Fidelity Wars and surviving equals victory in a war.

I say old fellow old shoe--are you accusing me of yanking your chain?? Not terribly sporting, what?

pip pip, cheerio--and all that sort of rot.

rosko

 

[catalina_francisco]

I say old fellow old shoe--are you accusing me of yanking your chain?? Not terribly sporting, what?

pip pip, cheerio--and all that sort of rot.

rosko

Me never just telling a little story.

Francisco.

 

[Pure]

Jeez, I feel better already.

That 'edge' topic was getting just too damn edgy!

I'm glad we're discussing Francisco's buttons.

What a relief that public safety is restored!

 

[Netzach]

Edge is relative.

It's the limit of what's tolerable. It's that frontier.

I can't relate as well to those wistfully pining for faceslapping and "rape" as well as I used to....I used to run with that pack more...man girls do play hard...

now the edge is going out in public with a buttplug, going out in public in drag, saying "ok, this week it's totally about you"....saying "yes Ma'am" to something when we're not "playing."

and I have to say, because it's the frontier, it feels just as electric.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Netz, clean the supplicant worms out of your mailbox & let a dominant Master get a (private) word in edgewise.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

ROFL bump

 

[recycling]

the dominant man that I was in a relationship with at first~ the one that then turned me into a sex slave told me he liked 'the edge' due to his near death experience. He is an incredibly smart intellectual man, above average in every way--- way too smart for his own good. What I feel in him is his absence of "true" love in his life except his true love of nature. He truely knows mother nature, an intimate love of nature through which brought me to life, through which I became a slave...but that's another topic.

the edge. the God complex. to get that thrill was the edge. how do you get there? no boundaries, no limits, everything is duplicity~ everything she thinks is twisted, make her question her every thought. play God. and play God he did. verrrrry effective. it was thrilling. I expanded, I grew. I had epiphany after epiphany and I kept crawling back for more. I begged for his mercy his love. I became his devoted subject. I was his slave. He was my Master, all without the context of relationship. He was God. this was the edge. He was living his fantasy.


what is the motivation for this? it is because you feel life as it is is all there is. when you know who you are, when you are balanced, when this is it, it seems mundane... this is it. you feel lifeless almost, to the intellectual alone, it's nothing. you need something to keep you going. without motivation there is nothingness. so you create with your power, you use people to feel your power. then you feel great.

when you actually touch love though, you are creating. you are creating. you are source and creation. is that in itself enough. can you not stop there? you are creating together. can you not recognize that? can you not see what you have? must you seek to destroy what you have to find a weaker being to feel your power again or can you embrace the power you have together?
love---source and CREATION together is the truth. one alone is sociopathic. KNOW when to stop the edge for that reason alone or you will always be alone & you will continue your own path of strange loneliness.

the edge is a place I want to live. I enjoy the experience. I want to be there again and again and again. even without boundaries, without limits it can be done when there is love
the powers between two people can be acknowledged and known=== it doesn't have to be one over the other to still be the edge

love is the truth. and love between two people is the ultimate edge.

(edited to add this):for one with the God CompleX it is the edge because it is Creation.

 

[sigsauerprinces]

hello, old thread

the below post still made me giggle, eight or so months later

A Dialogue for the Titillation of Readers"

"The Edge"

[Speaker 1] "Here's my edge play, doing X. I love X"

[Speaker 2] "That's not edge play, that's crazy. Here's what safe edge play is like, the real edge play; what I do."

"I wouldn't feel at all at the 'edge' if I was so safe as you specify."

"Then you don't know where the 'edge' is!"

"Where am I then?"

"You're at the border of foolish



self-destruction, even insanity."

"Thanks. And where are you, Wise One."

"At the true edge, the safe edge, as I'd said. Are you braindamaged or something?"

"Maybe... in your book."

"So what are you going to do?"

"?"

"Are you going to keep up your craziness?"

"As I said, 'Here's my edge play... I love X."

"You are dangerous!"

"I guess."

"Others be warned!"

"OK."

"Let us help you!"

"No thanks."

love is the truth. and love between two people is the ultimate edge.

i like this, very much, and i do believe its true.

 

[recycling]

that edge though for that being (it's hard to call him a man, and I hate to call him a boy), logic is all that is seen~ all that is acknowledged, all that is known. there is no respect for the opposite. the edge is onesided.

it's growth, and it's fruitful. but it sure is disgusting when it can be soooo amazing when it's mutually created.

I love the edge. I must say I even loved thaaaat edge. but cripes, see beyond yourself enough to know you're not God.

I had this conversation today & all he said was, see the good, see the good that came from what I did. I just thought to myself, you are soo intelligent~ you are not only insulting me but yourself. it was sad really.


I pity him. I wish him and his new "submissive" (she's not aware of the term, which may even be a good thing) well.