The decline of the English language.

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The following C&P is from a writer whose stuff I really like. When I read this one, I just knew that this was a place to let people read it. The URL for Fred Reed's FredOnEverything is http://fredoneverything.com

Random Thoughts On The Decline Of English

Bile, Vitriol, And Lost Clauses
January 5, 2004

Being as I am a shade-tree writer, tinkering with these essays as with a ’54 Merc on blocks behind the garage, I find myself grieving for what was once quite a language. English grows ugly and lapses into deformity. My mail creaks under the weight of misused pronouns and homeless participles. People seem to spell by ear: “Your” and “you’re,” “it’s” and “its” are mixed like salads. The young assert that “me and him was talking,” and really don’t know better. Perhaps three people in the United States know what a contraction is. Many believe that a verb agrees with the object of the nearest preposition.

Words seem to have become more puzzling than they once were, even to the purportedly educated. A list of confusions is easily compiled. “Partly” doesn’t mean “partially;” nor historic, historical; nor philosophic, philosophical; nor sensuous, sensual; nor religiosity, religiousness; nor belligerent, bellicose; nor feminine, effeminate; nor continuous, continual; nor effete, epicene; “It is important that you do not smoke” is not the same as “It is important that you not smoke.” “The new airplane is five times faster than the old” probably doesn’t mean anything at all; if it does, it means “The new airplane is six times as fast as the old.” The word “disingenious” doesn’t exist, though I hear it from the educated. (“Disingenuous” is meant.)

Are there real writers out there under fifty? I mean distinctive writers and fine craftsmen, the Mark Twains and Ambrose Bierces and Hunter Thompsons and Joseph Hellers that once made the United States a font of genuine if eccentric talent. They may exist. If so, they aren’t promoted.

We have allowed the schools to fall into the hands of fools and charlatans, and we pay the price.

A language in a high state of development is a lovely and a precise instrument, but a fragile one. English at its peak—which might, very arbitrarily, have been the time of Chesterton, Galsworthy, C. S. Lewis and Tolkien—was limber, yet hard-edged and surgical when it needed to be. You could write a sonnet in it but also a textbook of physics, without ambiguity. A robust subjunctive gave it a subtlety that is the purpose of subjunctives, and the curious mixture of Anglo-Saxon and Grecolatinate vocabulary gave it a complex but flavorful texture (if textures can be flavorful).

But no longer.

Good English (or French, or Spanish, or Chinese) depends on a cultivated elite to preserve it. A pride in language is needed to prevent degradation from seeping upward from the lower classes, and only careful schooling instills the fine distinctions that make the difference between the literate and those who recognize words vaguely, like half-forgotten relatives.

In England the aristocracy and its schools, as for example Oxford and Cambridge, maintained linguistic standards; in ancient Rome, the ruling classes who studied under the great rhetoricians. In the United States the tradition survived awhile in a variety of schools. My own experience was of Southern colleges such as William and Mary and Hampden-Sydney (in which latter my grandfather was professor of mathematics).

As is usual in civilizations not yet in decline, people at these institutions cared about language and literature. I remember that we played a parlor game in which the contestant called out numbers, as for example 234, 2, 6. He was then read whatever word was found on page 234, column two, entry six of a massive unabridged dictionary. He was expected to spell it, and give its etymology and first and second meanings. People do not, I think, play that game today.

Today of course we have no elites of any influence, and we are prescriptively hostile to what is called “elitism.” Elitism is simply the idea that the better is preferable to the worse. Why anyone with good sense would be against it escapes me. The unwashed have discovered that it is easier to ignore the language than to learn it. Given that the unwashed now run the schools, that, as we say, is that. I do not know how one repairs the chain once it is broken.

The unworthy like to argue, almost as if they had some slight idea what they were talking about, that any language is acceptable provided that it communicates. The problem with unschooled and degraded English is precisely that it doesn’t communicate well. In an America that has embraced the tastes and standards of the black ghetto, I occasionally see it written that Ebonics is a language to be respected as much as English. Oh? It is an unwritten language, which might seem to put it at some slight disadvantage to a language that has had a rich literature since at least the fourteenth century. (I’m not sure that pre-Chaucerian English is quite what I think of as English.)

But how in Ebonics does one say, “The entropy of a closed system tends to remain the same or to increase”? I will avoid parody. A more important question is how do decreasingly literate professors write textbooks of subjects that have to be explained clearly? As the distinctions between words are lost, as the grammar degenerates toward bumperstickerhood, people can no longer express, and perhaps cannot think, things that once they could have.

Language does not exist only to convey logical complexities or to make abstractions crystalline. Words can be as beautiful as a sunset, a truth probably discovered five thousand years ago. The difference is that a sunset is accessible to anyone. No training is needed to love those great gaudy skyscapes that flow across the heavens like incandescent dunes. They stand on their own.

To appreciate literature requires intimate familiarity with the language. Art is freedom exercised within rules. (There. We’ve settled that.) Just as you cannot tell good jitterbugging from bad if you do not know the structure of the dance, so you cannot tell good writing from bad if you don’t know the language works. Few any longer learn the rules.

Of what provenance is this awful drabness? I can only guess. We fill the universities with people who have no business being there. We then accept their values. The country has embraced almost lasciviously a radical egalitarianism whose pretences can be maintained only by dragging all to the level of the lowest. Television bathes us all in the moral and cultural drains from which there is no escape. Elites can exist only when they can isolate themselves. They no longer can.

What we have lost we will be a long while in getting back.
 
News flash:

Slang is not a new invention.

Neither is slurring speech or butchering grammar. It's only been in the last fifty years that education was anything more than a luxury for the upper classes. Prior to that, you had just as many (if not more) people per capita fucking up the linguistics as you do these days.

Additionally, the language is a living thing. It evolves and changes whether we like it or not. Sorry. Deal with it. End o' story. The correct English of today was the murdering of the language yesterday.

People seem to forget that when they go on these purist rants.

*shakes head*
 
I'm sorry, but I feel that there has been a very definite dumbing down of America in the last 30 years, and in the last 15-20 language has degraded to where emulation of the ghetto is cool and now young people in this country are all trying to sound like uneducated inner-city non-graduates. Ignorance and stupidity and lack of education do not comprise what slang is about. Yes, language is a constantly evolving thing, but I always thought of evolution as going forward, not a devolution moving backwards.
 
TryAnything said:
But how in Ebonics does one say, “The entropy of a closed system tends to remain the same or to increase”?

He's got a point though, Muffie.......

If you are able to express a concept in one form of language, and unable to express it in another, then does that not mark the second form down as lacking, in some way?
 
I like language. I like correct language. I don't like having to do the extra mental work of thinking something like, "Oh, he said imply, but he meant infer... better not say anything or he'll get annoyed at me."

But this guy lost me with this "degredation seeping upward from the lower classes" bullshit and his belittling remarks about "black ghettoes."

By the end of the essay I was like, fuck you and the pedantic horse you rode in on. Me and my friends are rooting for the lower classes.
 
TryAnything said:
emulation of the ghetto is cool and now young people in this country are all trying to sound like uneducated inner-city non-graduates.

Why don't you just go ahead and say "black?" It's quicker. :rolleyes:
 
Personally, I think there's a middle ground here .. English, as a language, has a much richer history than any other language of absorbing new words into itself. Not only words. Phrases, colloquialisms, et al.

After I posted my last post, I got to thinking about my statement from the other side - What can you say in (To take the writer's example) Ebonics that you can't say in trad. English. Well, I don't speak Ebonics, so I can't say. But I'll bet you a dime to a dollar, that there's phrases and maybe even words that express concepts in ebonics more adroitly and maybe in a more fitting way than you could using 'regular' English.

I don't think that we should lose the ability to speak in correct English, to know the difference between homonyms, or to understand why paragraphs are important, but I do think we should be open minded enough to accept new ways of communicating in English without losing sight of the old.

Raph, apparently more liberal in his old age.
 
Well ... at least your language isnt invaded by a shitload of words from other languages (namely english) ... Thats true degeneration of a language when people start to express themselves in other tongues rather than their mother tongue :rolleyes:

CA
 
DarlingNikki said:
Why don't you just go ahead and say "black?" It's quicker. :rolleyes:
Because I know plenty of inner-city people and they're not black and they butcher the English language to be cool also.
 
I have my own deeply felt opinions on the English language, spoken and written, particularly in the states. I recently found it difficult expressing myself without sounding elitist or pedantic on the thread about gender typecasting, and have been accused of such on this board, and which I choose to ignore ("I yam what I yam.")

But I'm with Nikki here. This essayist is elitist and pedantic with no substantive citations but his own opinions. I am certain there is a way to express the example phrase in Ebonics or Vato-speak (that's what we talk in da hood in any barrio in any large No. American city) or even Yorkshire I would guess. What arrogance to think not.

Perdita
 
CrazyyAngel said:
Well ... at least your language isnt invaded by a shitload of words from other languages (namely english) ...
CA, you have no idea, ha ha. English was born out of a shitload of words from other languages.

Perdita
 
raphy said:
After I posted my last post, I got to thinking about my statement from the other side - What can you say in (To take the writer's example) Ebonics that you can't say in trad. English. Well, I don't speak Ebonics, so I can't say. But I'll bet you a dime to a dollar, that there's phrases and maybe even words that express concepts in ebonics more adroitly and maybe in a more fitting way than you could using 'regular' English.
As I spend a lot of time with people who don't have a clue as to what 'proper' English is, I have had to become somewhat fluent in what I euphemistically call 'street English', and I can veryify that there are ways of saying in one word what would take a 'literate' person a whole sentence to get out.

The bottom line is, are you able to communicate your needs, desires and ideas to others with whatever language it is you speak. If you live in the US, English is supposedly our language. When people who are born here can't communicate in English because they learned the cool ghetto-speak of their environment, something is wrong.
 
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TryAnything said:
Because I know plenty of inner-city people and they're not black and they butcher the English language to be cool also.
I grew up Mexican in a housing project in Detroit, that's as inner-city as one can get. We did not butcher English to be cool, no one does. Non-white or persons of a certain lower class, whatever their color, create their own vocabularies and grammars to communicate more intimately than otherwise, especially when their public schools don't help out. I was lucky and had a father who made me love reading, and a couple good English teachers along the way.

I don't care for the notions you've proposed based on race or income. There is plenty of ugly English being spoke by the brats of the middle-class from coast to coast.

Perdita
 
TryAnything said:
As I spend a lot of time with people who don't have a clue as to what 'proper' English is, I have had to become somewhat fluent in what I euphemistically call 'stree English', and I can veryify that there are ways of saying in one word what would take a 'literate' person a whole sentence to get out.
Q.E.D. The prosecution (or is it the defence) rests, m'lud


The bottom line is, are you able to communicate your needs, desires and ideas to others with whatever language it is you speak. If you live in the US, English is supposedly our language. When people who are born here can't communicate in English because they learned the cool ghetto-speak of their environment, something is wrong.
Depends who you're trying to communicate with. I've never learnt what you're terming as 'street English', because I've never had to communicate with someone who speaks it. There are times when I find the English language lacking (For example, there's no direct translation from the italian word voglio to English).

Personally, I like to think I speak excellent English. It was drummed into me in a rather expensive English grammar school and I've always had a love of the language. But that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore alternative forms of language communication that may be situationally more efficient and expressive.
 
TryAnything said:
“It is important that you do not smoke” is not the same as “It is important that you not smoke.”

A deep sigh from a copywriter. The first thing one learns when writing for a client is the futility of explaining that the meaning is changed when the client's daughter's English teacher rearranges the words "to make the copy 'flow' better."

Anyone considering advertising as a way to be paid for writing, should be aware that no amount of argument can compete with this argument, "I know, but it flows better this way." Add a paycheck, and hey - When you're right, you're right.

:D

Advertising has to shoulder a big part of the blame, if not for destroying English then at least for roughing it up a little and giving it a wedgy. "As long as it communicates" isn't just a sign of laziness; it's dictated to the industry by copy testing, the results of which are interpreted in one of two ways.

- If you're the client, copy testing confirms your belief that everything needs to be "dumbed down" to be understood by the public.

- If you're the writer, and you've ever watched a focus group in action, copy testing confirms that people love nothing better than to be asked for their ideas on how to improve the clarity of your writing. The companies that make money arranging and interpreting copy research have everything to lose if they admit to your client that asking people how they respond to advertising is as likely to elicit useful information as asking people whether they are gullible.

That's my $2.02 worth on the decline of the language. From someone else, it might be worth 2 cents. But I get paid to shovel shit like this.

:: hands shovel to next person::
 
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The concept of eubonics as a separate language is not the product of the Ghetos. It isn't the product of poor blacks, inner city poor or of the streets. The concept of eubonics as a language is a product of our school systems.

The impetus for this was not evolution, nor devolution of the language, nor was it concieved of as a way to help the poor. The prime motivation was money. The federal government gives extra money to public school systems that carry a bi lingual cirriculum. Of course teaching in a second language requires teachers who are fluent in that language. And they are costly. Then some brilliant administrator in a school in Los Angeles I believe, although my memory may be failing me on that, came up with the idea of classifying eubonics as it's own language. The majority of children in the school already spoke it as did many of the teachers. I do not believe I have ever seen blatant racisim so attractively packaged.

It was pretty slick if you ask me. We will teach people how not to speak english and get paid for it. Never mind that the children in this program will have zero chance of making it in the corporate world. Never mind that the lack of ability to communicate with people outside their neighborhood dooms them to never leaving it. This is for their own good, and best of all We get paid for keeping them ignorant!

Language is a tool. It is a tool just like a spade, or a hammer or a wrench. It's a tool for comunicating. If it fails to allow people to express ideas to one another then it is a useless tool. I come from the deep south and once visited Boston. We both speak the same language, but I swear they might as well have been speaking russian. I couldn't make out more than one word in ten. I was reduced to pidgeon english and sign language to find the ladies room. After a week I could understand them pretty well, I just had to beg them to speak more slowly and enunciate a bit.

The language does evolve, just like the wrench has evolved into the socket set. It still does its basic job however and tightens and loosens nuts and bolts. As long as we can communicate with one another in a meaningful way then it is still doing its job.

-Colly
 
I've babbled about this sort of stuff already.

But really, is it too much to ask that people learn the difference between

led and lead

lose and loose

it's and its

you're and your

affect and effect?

Just to pick a few not-so-random examples. I'm not talking about the dumbing-down of the language here, but merely the proper usage of same.

My rant on the dumbing-down of the language y'all can find in the "8th graders" thread. ;)
 
Colleen Thomas said:
The concept of eubonics as a separate language is not the product of the Ghetos. It isn't the product of poor blacks, inner city poor or of the streets. The concept of eubonics as a language is a product of our school systems.

The impetus for this was not evolution, nor devolution of the language, nor was it concieved of as a way to help the poor. The prime motivation was money. The federal government gives extra money to public school systems that carry a bi lingual cirriculum. Of course teaching in a second language requires teachers who are fluent in that language. And they are costly. Then some brilliant administrator in a school in Los Angeles I believe, although my memory may be failing me on that, came up with the idea of classifying eubonics as it's own language. The majority of children in the school already spoke it as did many of the teachers. I do not believe I have ever seen blatant racisim so attractively packaged.

It was pretty slick if you ask me. We will teach people how not to speak english and get paid for it. Never mind that the children in this program will have zero chance of making it in the corporate world. Never mind that the lack of ability to communicate with people outside their neighborhood dooms them to never leaving it. This is for their own good, and best of all We get paid for keeping them ignorant!

Language is a tool. It is a tool just like a spade, or a hammer or a wrench. It's a tool for comunicating. If it fails to allow people to express ideas to one another then it is a useless tool. I come from the deep south and once visited Boston. We both speak the same language, but I swear they might as well have been speaking russian. I couldn't make out more than one word in ten. I was reduced to pidgeon english and sign language to find the ladies room. After a week I could understand them pretty well, I just had to beg them to speak more slowly and enunciate a bit.

The language does evolve, just like the wrench has evolved into the socket set. It still does its basic job however and tightens and loosens nuts and bolts. As long as we can communicate with one another in a meaningful way then it is still doing its job.

-Colly
Nice, Colly!! :)
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I do not believe I have ever seen blatant racisim so attractively packaged.
I agree.
The language does evolve, just like the wrench has evolved into the socket set. It still does its basic job however and tightens and loosens nuts and bolts.
Colly, I probably agree but I know nothing of wrenches and sockets. Your clumsy (sorry, I'm just elitist and prefer more refined metaphors ;) ) analogy made me smile though (with dear affection).

Perdita :kiss:
 
On invasions by foreign words:

Aren't all languages composed of influences from a blend of ancient cultures? What would English be like if the Romans had left it up to the Picts and the Celts?

I agree with the essayist that there's little concern anymore for subtleties of meaning. But I take exception with the concept of language - in any culture - as something invariably right or wrong, like a math equation.

Language benefits from fresh cultural influences, as evidenced by the existence of such useful words as "shitload."

Does anyone really care if a bison is erroneously called a buffalo? Only if you try to catch one to make mozzarella.

The rapid advance of technology is the influence that's most likely to cause invasions of foreign words into one's own language. Ask someone to describe the components of a computer, or how to search the internet for "silicon chip," in the charming tongue of their isolated corner of Croatiabekistan, and see if it can be done without the use of non-native words.

On ebonics: I smile, rememberin a news story on Saturday Night Live a few years ago. "The winner of California's first annual Student Ebonics Competition is 12-year-old Ming Lin, a Vietnamese emigrant from Palo Alto.."
 
perdita said:
I agree.Colly, I probably agree but I know nothing of wrenches and sockets. Your clumsy (sorry, I'm just elitist and prefer more refined metaphors ;) ) analogy made me smile though (with dear affection).

Perdita :kiss:


*HUGS*

Mistress of metaphor I am not :)
 
OK, this is a translation, but I think it gets the point clear anyway:

"No... yes... eh, oh... can... eh... ev'n funnier... ´cause we... see, we never had done... withit... diddin know... who did wagons or anythin'... so that (harkle)... we telegraphed the stationplace... go down n' scrape off... see if you can find the name of them old ones... and it... and then went he out to them sugarplantitions... and scraped off the rust of them hoodcaps..."

(This is equally mis-spelled as the original text.)

Now, who speaks like this? No, not Lil' Kim.

It's from an interview with the Count of Bernadotte, the Swedish King's uncle.

I wonder what ebonic has crept up and seeped into his world..?





We all speak ungrammatically - thank goodness! Whenever I listen to a 50'ies movie, I have to clean my ears afterwards. History shows that human beings have a tendency to simplify language to be more comfortable to use. Why do you think people say "it's" or "I'm" instead of proper "it is" or "I am"? Ever since the middle ages, there have been elitist snobs who have complained about the language changing into what they feel is a less beautiful, more "slang" version of itself. The funny thing is that the language that TryAnything wants to preserve, is the version that someone in the end of last century was referring to as "foul" and "nothing more than ghetto talk".

100 years from now, we will have people complaining about how the beautiful Ebonic language has lost its former standards, thanks to the influence of (the future) street-people.

If we're talking about language only, then you're pushing blocks right next to Sisyfos, TryAnything. Language will change, no matter how much you complain. You can't stop the development.

If you're jus using this language thing as an excuse to sneer at people with less education, ie poor people, which I'm told are mainly black, latin or asian... then:

*shows middle finger*
 
Svenskaflicka said:
If you're jus using this language thing as an excuse to sneer at people with less education, ie poor people, which I'm told are mainly black, latin or asian... then:

*shows middle finger*
You've really got some issues, don't you? I never intended anything of the sort, never even thought of it. Wonder why you did???
 
Hmmm

Sorry folks you can't pin English down, it's been changing almost daily for hundreds of years, and it aint going to stop doing so to suit a few eletist uni grad's.

I admire all who try to stick to 'proper English' whatever that may be, (and more to the point who the fuck decides what that may be). Good on you.

But a lot of folks aren't interested and get rather pissed off being told how wrong they are.

25 miles away from where I live the county of Wiltshire begins, in Wiltshire they talks a roight differen kind o English than what I do here in Oxford, (raphy can verify this), left to their devices they'd spell it the way I did above as well.

So many and varied dialects in just this small Island, as darling Purdy hinted at.

So what is proper English??? and who fucking says so???

Dictionaries and writing journals are just another opinion on the matter, some individual person, or group of persons opinion, nothing more.

Here's a little snippet for you about the difficulties of defining things in English.

Did you know Tolkien was responsible for editing and defining a lot of the 'W's' in the original edition of the OED, he was a volunteer contributor. (He lived in Oxford)

It took him about 6 weeks of deliberation and alteration, (they have his mass of notes on the subject), to define and describe a 'Walrus'.

pops:..... the, educationalist, (read head full of useless information) non elitist Englishman who talks and writes it how the bloody fuck he feels like it. Just like what Shakespeare did.
 
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