The consequences of gay marriage

[john-the-author]

I really am impressed with this:

http://www.hewnandhammered.com/files/chart_the_consequences_of_gay_marriage.gif

 

[TE999]

I really am impressed with this:

http://www.hewnandhammered.com/files/chart_the_consequences_of_gay_marriage.gif

I must have the dumb tonight. Does this mean that just because Gays and Lesbian's marry none of these other things will happen if they do?

 

[voluptuary_manque]

That would be my interpretation . . .

 

[Boxlicker101]

I must have the dumb tonight. Does this mean that just because Gays and Lesbian's marry none of these other things will happen if they do?

I was wondering the same thing. As far as I can see, none of those things has anything to do with gay marriage or prohibition of same.

 

[Stella_Omega]

exactly.

The only consequence of gay marriage is gays marrying-- despite the caterwauling of the homophobic.

 

[vrosej10]

I must have the dumb tonight. Does this mean that just because Gays and Lesbian's marry none of these other things will happen if they do?

It appears that way. I hope they meant that none of these thing swill happen as a direct result of gays marrying not that gay marriage is some kind of world peace panacea, cause that would just be fucked up.

I am very pro gay marriage and sick of hearing idiots spout that straight marriage will be effected by gay marriage and then never supplying a satisfactory argument about how this is going to happen. I say put up or shut up.

 

[Safe_Bet]

I must have the dumb tonight. Does this mean that just because Gays and Lesbian's marry none of these other things will happen if they do?

That would be my interpretation . . .

I was wondering the same thing. As far as I can see, none of those things has anything to do with gay marriage or prohibition of same.

DAMN! Y'all need to get a sense of humor! That chart is funny as hell!

 

[Recidiva]

I must have the dumb tonight. Does this mean that just because Gays and Lesbian's marry none of these other things will happen if they do?

They might, but not as a consequence.

Gays just don't have that much power. Sorry.

 

[lance gt]

I know some consequences of gay marriage. Their houses look nicer and improve property values. I've never seen an old car sitting in the driveway for years. The gardens are usually very beautiful. More children are adopted. Less crime happens in areas they live in. And they throw great parties. Sounds okay to me.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

When I worked for the state I ran into 2 types of gay foster parents: Lesbians generally took good care of the kids, but were in it for the money, and rarely cared about the kids. Kids were extra income. Gay men were slimey snakes wanting bad boys for some weekend fun.

 

[lance gt]

There may be a few of those types out there Jimmy, but overall, same sex couples have proven they are good parents and role models for kids. The frequency of the nasty ones you describe, is very minimal, or they wouldn't allow them to adopt in the first place.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

There may be a few of those types out there Jimmy, but overall, same sex couples have proven they are good parents and role models for kids. The frequency of the nasty ones you describe, is very minimal, or they wouldn't allow them to adopt in the first place.

Nope.

Your contention violates the #1 principle of guys: They have much better things to do than hang-out with kiddies...unless!

 

[lance gt]

Nope.

Your contention violates the #1 principle of guys: They have much better things to do than hang-out with kiddies...unless!

That's gAys, not gUys Jimmy. Gays have a different approach to it than a Het guy does. I'm not saying there aren't gays out there that do those things, but a few bad apples don't make for a bad tree. Parenting is something quite different than picking up stray boys and having a night of buggery fun. They take their roles seriously enough as parents, to make some Hetero couples take some notes.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

I would like to see honest stats on the incidence of child abuse in gay families vs. het families. I'll bet that each side has a few disgusting bad apples but that the vast majority do the best they can. And as a parent and a teacher, I can tell you that it is often under very trying circumstances!

 

[Stella_Omega]

DAMN! Y'all need to get a sense of humor! That chart is funny as hell!

It was too subtle.

 

[Recidiva]

I would like to see honest stats on the incidence of child abuse in gay families vs. het families. I'll bet that each side has a few disgusting bad apples but that the vast majority do the best they can. And as a parent and a teacher, I can tell you that it is often under very trying circumstances!

The main difference is that gay families have to work hard at it and plan it and fight for it. Much less chance of abuse resulting because of resentment due to unplanned pregnancy.

 

[lance gt]

The main difference is that gay families have to work hard at it and plan it and fight for it. Much less chance of abuse resulting because of resentment due to unplanned pregnancy.

My point exactly Diva. S-S couples have more to prove that they are good parents. Het couples are given a pass on many things that are questionable in parenting techniques. S-S couples have to work hard just to prove they are good parents, it's hard to imagine they'd do it all just for the sake of some cheap thrills. If we took away the title Gay Parents, and just looked at them as people raising kids, you'd find no better a group of parents to admire. I see them all the time at the Centre and know what they're like. I see their kids and my son talks with them, the result being the same. They're normal kids with a good outlook on life. Hard to get that with deviants for parents.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I would like to see honest stats on the incidence of child abuse in gay families vs. het families. I'll bet that each side has a few disgusting bad apples but that the vast majority do the best they can. And as a parent and a teacher, I can tell you that it is often under very trying circumstances!

David Finklehor reports that gay men commit 33% of the reported child sexual abuse. Gay male employees were a constant problem at my state agency; the department secretaries chief aide was busted for sexually abusing foster boys. It was a chronic problem.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I have never seen any kind of statistics on this, so this is strictly MHO.

I believe there are het. couples who adopt or foster children for the money and to have sex toys for their own fun. I'm not so much referring to pedophilia as to pubescent children in their early teens who are raised but who also are sexually used by the adoptive or foster parents. Since the kids have probably been through it before, I suspect they accept it as part of the price they must pay for a stable situation.

I also believe there are gay or lesbian couples who would do the same kind of thing, given a chance. However, their applications are carefully scrutinized and any history or even accusation of improper behavior with children gets them declined. In other words, the molesting is never given a chance to happen.

I also believe, quite firmly that a huge majority of adoptive or foster parents, either gay or straight, have no such sexual or financial interest, and are more interested in doing something good for society. I applaud these people.

 

[xssve]

David Finklehor reports that gay men commit 33% of the reported child sexual abuse. Gay male employees were a constant problem at my state agency; the department secretaries chief aide was busted for sexually abusing foster boys. It was a chronic problem.

Perhaps, if you assume that Males who abuse boys are by definition, gay - but half of those are the child's biological father, which raises certain questions about just exactly how and where sexual orientation really fits into all this.

http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/05/child%2Dmaltreat/fig5.gif

Male Perpetrators of Child Maltreatment: Findings from NCANDS

 

[xssve]

It should be noted that the above graph refers to all categories of abuse, of which sexual abuse is about a quarter - neglect, including medical neglect is the most common form of abuse, and presumably this probably lower in same sex households, although it's just a guess.

http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/05/child%2Dmaltreat/fig6.gif

 

[xssve]

This looks like a good place to start looking for more detailed statistics: Child Abuse: Statistics, Research, and Resources.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Can we get a grip here?

Stats are irrelevant, the thread start was a hoot and Safe called it right.

Our problem is we need a new word. Do we give 'marriage' to the religios and keep 'civil partnership' for a federal statement of rights under the constitution.

 

[Recidiva]

Can we get a grip here?

Stats are irrelevant, the thread start was a hoot and Safe called it right.

Our problem is we need a new word. Do we give 'marriage' to the religios and keep 'civil partnership' for a federal statement of rights under the constitution.

I have no problem letting religious ceremonies conducted in churches, mosques, temples or asherahs to be marriages. I don't see a reason to force something on the faithful. Seems kinda rude and is kinda missing the point of the word "faith."

However, civil union or whatever it is, wherever it's performed, must have the same rights as those in a religiously-sanctioned marriage.

 

[Fantasies_only]

I really am impressed with this:

http://www.hewnandhammered.com/files/chart_the_consequences_of_gay_marriage.gif

As much as I would like that to be true...
Gays marry (obviously)
Russia invades - By invades I assume the person meant takes over American control. This is not likely to happen. If something disasterous were to happen with Russia, it would be World War 3.
Judgement day begins - According to some people, it really will in 2012.
Families are destroyed - There are too many anti-gays out there to say this isn't likely to happen.
Ice-caps melt - When was this pie chart made anyway? It's already happening.