The Confessional

[Vail_Indigo]

ICT I have no idea what to do about dinner

 

[Veroe]

ICT I have no idea what to do about dinner

I would suggest something dealing with food for dinner, Vail.

Whew helping people is so taxing.

 

[Vail_Indigo]

ICT I'm not looking forward to the new TSA procedures this week.

 

[Stephanie4play]

I confess that ignoring the content or depth of an rp post and writing my actions and words for me, kinda' pisses me off when combined.

 

[Ahren]

I think I saw which RP you're talking about. Honestly that person can't even fix the most basic spelling errors on top of those other offenses. You should just drop that one now.

edit: Oh you did. Good. It was getting pretty painful to read.

 

[Maid of Marvels]

Oftwhile balbulous, mithre ahead, with goodly trowel in grasp and ivoroiled overalls which he habitacularly fondseed, like Haroun Childeric Eggeberth he would caligulate by multiplicables the alltitude and malltitude until he seesaw by neatlight of the liquor wheretwin 'twas born, his roundhead staple of other days to rise in undress maisonry upstanded (joygrantit!), a waalworth of a skyerscape of most eyeful hoyth entowerly, erigenating from next to nothing and celescalating the himals and all, hierarchitectitiptitoploftical, with a burning bush abob off its baubletop and with larrons o'toolers clittering up and tombles a'buckets clottering down.

 

[Vail_Indigo]

ICT I agree with Ahren...I just took a skim of that story and it has given me a headache. Jane's grammer, spelling, typing, punctuation, style, creativity...dear god, it hurts

 

[Stephanie4play]

ICT I actually read a post or two before writing with that person, and thought it might be tolerable. But the "godmode" bit was too much for me, especially after bringing it so blatantly forward about it.

It was not my intent to point the finger though.

 

[Stephanie4play]

I confess that you've been writing with a guy. Not normally a bad thing, but this one gets a bit angry when he gets outed that way.

I confess, I suspected that at one point, but in the end I don't care. I assume a good portion of the girls here are really men. If they can make me appreciate their femininity then it stirs me just the same... Here in fantasy land anyway.

And honestly, if a man can portray a woman well enough to fool me, I have to think that he is probably at least a competent lover in his knowledge of sensuality and the female body. That's got to count for something.

Of course, as a bisexual that's easier for me to say. I know some lesbians who would disagree.

As for anger... I have cyber-immunity. *grin*

 

[Ahren]

It was not my intent to point the finger though.

Well, I encourage it. In situations like this, at least, where they are shockingly bad. People here should know who not to waste their time on. Some threads are awful (anything with NickisSora) but find people likeminded so more power to them. They just won't find it from the people who frequent the lounge.

This isn't meant to sound like we're elitists or a big clique here, but the people who interact here tend to be the people who want to really be a part of the community and write stories. If someone just want a quick sex thread where grammar and spelling be damned, I'm sure they'll find it eventually.

I'm a jerk though, so I can understand if you don't adhere to my logic.

 

[FuckFantasy]

Well, I encourage it. In situations like this, at least, where they are shockingly bad. People here should know who not to waste their time on. Some threads are awful (anything with NickisSora) but find people likeminded so more power to them. They just won't find it from the people who frequent the lounge.

This isn't meant to sound like we're elitists or a big clique here, but the people who interact here tend to be the people who want to really be a part of the community and write stories. If someone just want a quick sex thread where grammar and spelling be damned, I'm sure they'll find it eventually.

I'm a jerk though, so I can understand if you don't adhere to my logic.

I love how anyone on here who tells it like it is always gets labeled a jerk/asshole/bastard/bitch/cunt, etc. There's something so delicious about how easily riled up people get by anonymous Internet others.

You're wrong one one point though, Ahren: There's a cliquey crew on here. It happens.

 

[Vail_Indigo]

Well, I encourage it. In situations like this, at least, where they are shockingly bad. People here should know who not to waste their time on. Some threads are awful (anything with NickisSora) but find people likeminded so more power to them. They just won't find it from the people who frequent the lounge.

This isn't meant to sound like we're elitists or a big clique here, but the people who interact here tend to be the people who want to really be a part of the community and write stories. If someone just want a quick sex thread where grammar and spelling be damned, I'm sure they'll find it eventually.

I'm a jerk though, so I can understand if you don't adhere to my logic.

I couldn't agree more, Ahren. Finding a writing partner that you click with is tough enough. If you can spot the people who can barely type a sentence, or who don't care about anything but getting to the sex, or who are going to 'god mod', well, it gets that much easier.
I don't consider myself an elitist for only wanting to write with people who have some ability with words.

 

[Ahren]

You're wrong one one point though, Ahren: There's a cliquey crew on here. It happens.

Well, you're right. I'd say there are multiple. I was just trying not to generalize the entire lounge as one that would refuse to ever write with outsiders or something ridiculous like that. There are also plenty of great writers who don't come here.

Also no one has really called me a jerk recently. I just figured I'd preempt it just in case.

 

[Ausus_girl13]

I love how anyone on here who tells it like it is always gets labeled a jerk/asshole/bastard/bitch/cunt, etc. There's something so delicious about how easily riled up people get by anonymous Internet others.

You're wrong one one point though, Ahren: There's a cliquey crew on here. It happens.

I couldn't agree more, Ahren. Finding a writing partner that you click with is tough enough. If you can spot the people who can barely type a sentence, or who don't care about anything but getting to the sex, or who are going to 'god mod', well, it gets that much easier.
I don't consider myself an elitist for only wanting to write with people who have some ability with words.

Well, you're right. I'd say there are multiple. I was just trying not to generalize the entire lounge as one that would refuse to ever write with outsiders or something ridiculous like that. There are also plenty of great writers who don't come here.

Ooh great conversation. And I will second it what FF said, be honest and be blasted. I find it refreshing myself, pandering gets so very old sometimes- wait, all the times.

As for the thread you are all discussing, I can't bring myself to read it. I get incredibly picky when it comes to choosing who I will read, and the bulk of that choice depends almost entirely on how those writers act in the lounges. Perhaps that precludes me from reading some great stuff, but it also saves me the bother of wading through shit.

As for the cliques, there are several, and I myself have been part of a few. But I'd say that those are born of finding the writers/personalities that blend or intrigue us the most and being comfortable there. Oui?

 

[sallythescorpian]

I disagree strongly with this line of thought. Given the nature of this site, it attracts a lot of different people with a wide variety of tastes, with varying levels of competancy / ability to express themselves. It shouldn't mean that their enjoyment of the site be any the less.

We each have options! Read a prospective RP partners previous posts, and if their level of creative writing ability, or tendency to preempt their co-author actions etc is going to offend your sensibilities, don't write with them. If you have started a thread with someone, and their abilities / actions etc bother you, PM them and tell them you wish to drop the thread. I think it is both hurtful and disrespectful to do so in an OOC comment! Similarly, dont read the threads of others whose content, spelling and grammer, lack of storyline etc, is going to annoy you.

Irrespective of how awful someone's writing might be, they are still a real person behind their user name, and they have real feelings, which will be hurt by such public criticism.

Lets be honest about it. There are none of us here in line for a Pulitzer, and our respective skills simply span the parameters of medocrity. We're here for a little fun, and people should not be made to feel lacking in any way because their level of ability is less than than of someone else.

Thats my 10 cents!

 

[Ahren]

Irrespective of how awful someone's writing might be, they are still a real person behind their user name, and they have real feelings, which will be hurt by such public criticism.

Then they should write in private over email or PMs or whatever. Posting in public on the Internet of all places opens you freely to criticism, possibly harsh, probably by me.

Be aware of the risks. And at least learn to use a spellchecker. Firefox has one built in, right there.

That said, it's not like I make a list of all the bad writers every day and just call them out for some sort of morbid satisfaction.

Just disliking a storyline or creative choice a writer makes is a different thing entirely. Criticism for that is kind of pointless as it is subjective. But if you really can't be asked to make sure your words contain all the letters, then I reserve the right to call you a bad writer. Because it would be a fact, not a matter of taste.

 

[Jokas_Wild]

Why not just blast away then? Hell you don't even need to get into why, just a bullet list. I must admit, I choked on my soda laughing when ya called out NickIsSora. So even if I end up on the shit writer list, I will still at least get a cheap entertainment chuckle out of it. Fire away Sir!

 

[zydrate]

I confess I'm lost....

I need more sleep probably...

 

[Ahren]

Why not just blast away then? Hell you don't even need to get into why, just a bullet list. I must admit, I choked on my soda laughing when ya called out NickIsSora. So even if I end up on the shit writer list, I will still at least get a cheap entertainment chuckle out of it. Fire away Sir!

I said I don't make a list! I'm too lazy to start now.

Anyway your writing isn't even close to what I'm talking about, and it won't be unless you manage to hit your head really really hard someday and lose ability to function as a regular person.

 

[sallythescorpian]

Then they should write in private over email or PMs or whatever. Posting in public on the Internet of all places opens you freely to criticism, possibly harsh, probably by me.

No, again, I totally disagree. There is nothing whatsoever making you read bad threads, save perhaps the entertainment of sitting there with you red pen critiquing other people's efforts! Your argument suggests that there should be a minimum standard?? Should people below that standard be prevented from writing here?? Who would set the minimum standard, and adjudicate on admissions??

Incidentally, I have a Master's degree in English Language and English Literature, and I am certain that my posts are riddled with errors that could be avoided if I took the time to do so. I dont. Writing here is supposed to be fun, not an assignment!

A little tolerance here people!! It goes a long way! Live and let live and all that!!

But if you really can't be asked to make sure your words contain all the letters, then I reserve the right to call you a bad writer. Because it would be a fact, not a matter of taste.

I'm not sure if this is a generic comment Ahren, or whether it is directed at me specifically..... in either case, bad spelling does not make someone a bad writer, and nor does the ability to spell or operate a spell checker make someone a good writer! That is why successful authors have proof readers and editors!

 

[Ahren]

No, again, I totally disagree. There is nothing whatsoever making you read bad threads, save perhaps the entertainment of sitting there with you red pen critiquing other people's efforts! Your argument suggests that there should be a minimum standard?? Should people below that standard be prevented from writing here?? Who would set the minimum standard, and adjudicate on admissions??

Incidentally, I have a Master's degree in English Language and English Literature, and I am certain that my posts are riddled with errors that could be avoided if I took the time to do so. I dont. Writing here is supposed to be fun, not an assignment!

A little tolerance here people!! It goes a long way! Live and let live and all that!!


I'm not sure if this is a generic comment Ahren, or whether it is directed at me specifically..... in either case, bad spelling does not make someone a bad writer, and nor does the ability to spell or operate a spell checker make someone a good writer! That is why successful authors have proof readers and editors!

You're mangling my words, turning this into an entirely different argument and tossing in some logical fallacies to boot. Perhaps I was not clear enough. If that is the case then I'll take the blame. Regardless, as it is I don't really feel like continuing this discussion at the moment. I'll merely add that my answer to all of your questions is no, at least in a sense.

 

[Light Ice]

I reserve the right to not give a shit about anyone's feelings. I'm happy to exercise that right.

 

[zydrate]

I reserve the right to not give a shit about anyone's feelings. I'm happy to exercise that right.

That's true

 

[Alana_]

Sally, I love you and completely agree with all you have said. While I agree that there are some members who could use a spell check , it doesn't give anyone the right to call them out on a public forum. I don't want to repeat what Sally has said, but her posts all apply to what I would feel. I think it's tasteless and cruel to name one writer as an example, when there's plenty more. If names are going to be dropped, do the decent thing and name them all or name none. The one writer named does no harm. He's a nice guy, who offends no one, which can't be said by some here. I'd rather that kindness in someone that I partner than someone who hasn't the nature to show a little tolerance.

I'm surprised frankly that this conversation has taken place, because it shows a level of immaturity and self importance that isn't attractive. If someone feels that bad writing should be confined to emails or IM, hidden away where no one can see them, because they're not of good enough quality for some to read, then I personally believe that ignorant subjects such as picking on people that try, but don't reach some peoples bar of expectation, should be hidden away out of the way too. Shame on you. !

If you know of a writer that irritates you, and you know their writing and use of words is going to drive you mad, then what the hell are you doing reading their stuff? The onus is on you to avoid the threads and posts concerned, and do the decent thing, keep your views to yourself if names are going to be used, and if not, please along with being critical of those that aren't as good as you seem to think they should be to qualify to post here, explain who gave the right to those of you who think you have the right to be so hurtful and belittling.


Just remember, some people have an excuse for why they might not be as wonderful at writing as seems to be expected, ....unfortunately, there's no excuse for bad manners.


I'm avoiding this thread for a while after this until the posts move on to another page, because frankly I'm embarassed at some of what's posted.

 

[Stephanie4play]

The comment was made above that to address someone who is godmoding you In an OOC comment is hurful and disrespectful.

Since I was partly my OOC comment which spawned this discussion I choose to cite that example here with he name of the recipient removed:

(OOC: (Name) I'm enjoying the RP, but please let me direct my own character. I promise, you'll enjoy my reactions much more if they actually are my reactions. A good example; if I EVER grunt it will be because you are fucking me senseless, not because you kissed me. I have however been known to whimper or moan passionately when so inspired by a well timed kiss. And trust me, if I grunt, it's ONLY because I'm senseless or in serious pain. (which might be a good thing, but that's an entirely different kink. Thank you in advance for your understanding.))

this was then humbly followed by a sincere attempt to respond with a creative, passionate, and considerate post.

Now one opinion might interpret that as hurtful or disrespectful, but then that's why I seperate fact from opinion. The fact is, that I do not discount the passion or creativityof someone who writes less perfectly than I do, and prefer to look deeper into their intent. I treated this person with respect for their character and bowed out as gracefully and honestly as i could, in the same arena that my co-writer chose to completely disregard my request.

If an adequate interpretation of the realities of the thread in question still yields that type of criticism, it says more about the reader than the writer in my opinion.

That being said, I was sincerely attempting to salvage the thread for the sake of my co-writer.

Besides, I don't fuckin' grunt.