The Confederacy is the symbol of racist losers.

[Mischka]

The Confederacy lost the Civil War. Their flag is the symbol of racist losers. Germany does not embrace the Nazi flag. It is certainly time that we do the same, after more than a century and a half of clinging to their whiny lamentations of white supremacy. Take down the flag and put it in a museum, relegating it to the ranks of history where it belongs.

 

[RawHumor]

I live in western Michigan. For my job, I had to go spend a week at our site in Mississippi a few years back.

I was talking with some of my co-workers down there and one of them had been to my home plant. He joked that there are more confederate flags in western Michigan than there are in Mississippi.

I figure if you're flying a confederate flag and you live in Michigan, you're kinda just saying that you're too much of a pussy to put a KKK sticker on your car, but it amounts to the same thing.

 

[ElasticMermaid]

That is something I never see in Minnesota. It's refreshing after growing up in the south.

 

[bronzeage]

The Confederacy lost the Civil War. Their flag is the symbol of racist losers. Germany does not embrace the Nazi flag. It is certainly time that we do the same, after more than a century and a half of clinging to their whiny lamentations of white supremacy. Take down the flag and put it in a museum, relegating it to the ranks of history where it belongs.

When I was young, I played in the remains of trenches dug by Confederate soldiers. For a summer I lived in a house that had a unexploded 13 inch mortar lying in the back yard. A US Naval vessel fired it into a residential neighborhood, where it was later found when digging the foundation of the house. Three of my great grandfathers were enlisted soldiers in the Confederate States Army. Two survived the war. One was wounded in battle and the other spent two years in a prisoner of war camp in Connecticut.

I have as much or more claim to a Confederate heritage as anyone around, but I don't own a Confederate flag. I had one when I was 9 years old, but I've outgrown that kind of foolishness. As far as I know, no one in my family ever owned a slave, so I can't say what my grandfathers' motivation might have been. Why a bunch of dirt farmers would want to go fight a war so some rich people could keep slaves, is a mystery in 2015, but it must have made sense to them. Maybe it was just geographical loyalty. Maybe it was fear of being called a coward. They were called and they went. Two came came back.

I think they didn't know any better. That's not an excuse I can use.

 

[eyer]

The Confederacy lost the Civil War. Their flag is the symbol of racist losers. Germany does not embrace the Nazi flag. It is certainly time that we do the same, after more than a century and a half of clinging to their whiny lamentations of white supremacy. Take down the flag and put it in a museum, relegating it to the ranks of history where it belongs.

Is there something that's stopping you from personally enacting this desire of yours?

Or...

...are you campaigning to collect a majority (mob) to forcefully make "The Confederacy" do as you wish?

Because...

...that would simply be reenacting what cost 750,000 American lives before, you know.

When free states agree to form a voluntary union, it is not unlike people freely agreeing to marry...

...the harmful friction begins when one of those parties desires to divorce itself from that union, yet the other refuses that desire and uses force to quash that it.

And here you are championing that tyrannical force once more.

It's always amusing reading those who crown themselves "liberal" exercise just the opposite...

...that word, evidently, serves as the proverbial pig lipstick for their acting egos.

 

[trysail]

When I was young, I played in the remains of trenches dug by Confederate soldiers. For a summer I lived in a house that had a unexploded 13 inch mortar lying in the back yard. A US Naval vessel fired it into a residential neighborhood, where it was later found when digging the foundation of the house. Three of my great grandfathers were enlisted soldiers in the Confederate States Army. Two survived the war. One was wounded in battle and the other spent two years in a prisoner of war camp in Connecticut.

I have as much or more claim to a Confederate heritage as anyone around, but I don't own a Confederate flag. I had one when I was 9 years old, but I've outgrown that kind of foolishness. As far as I know, no one in my family ever owned a slave, so I can't say what my grandfathers' motivation might have been. Why a bunch of dirt farmers would want to go fight a war so some rich people could keep slaves, is a mystery in 2015, but it must have made sense to them. Maybe it was just geographical loyalty. Maybe it was fear of being called a coward. They were called and they went. Two came came back.

I think they didn't know any better. That's not an excuse I can use.

There were many reports of responses to Northern questions of "What are you fighting for?" along the lines of:

"Because you're here."
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[pointless]

I live in western Michigan. For my job, I had to go spend a week at our site in Mississippi a few years back.

I was talking with some of my co-workers down there and one of them had been to my home plant. He joked that there are more confederate flags in western Michigan than there are in Mississippi.

I figure if you're flying a confederate flag and you live in Michigan, you're kinda just saying that you're too much of a pussy to put a KKK sticker on your car, but it amounts to the same thing.

as a dude who spent quite a bit of time living in south carolina and western michigan i can confirm that this is true.

and stupid.

 

[MNGuy]

It's too bad the Confederate flag is associated with slavery. I actually like the design of the flag. Specifically the stars and bars battle flag, the other national flags the Confederacy used, eh, not so much.

But it is associated with slavery, and a dark portion of American history, and that's what it represents.

But it belongs to history, and in museums, not really in modern society.

 

[SCcouple1990]

I do not like stepping into the flag debate. However, one thing has always bothered me about the history/heritage aspect of the flag debate. The flag most people recognize as the "Confederate" flag was never the flag of the Confederate State of America. To claim history/heritage for that flag shows an abundance of ignorance or stupidity.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

I blame the British Navy.....

 

[trysail]

The Calamity of Appomattox
By H.L. Mencken

"No American historian, so far as I know, has ever tried to work out the probable consequences if Grant instead of Lee had been on the hot spot at Appomattox. How long would the victorious Confederacy have endured? Could it have surmounted the difficulties inherent in the doctrine of States’ Rights, so often inconvenient and even paralyzing to it during the war? Could it have remedied its plain economic deficiencies, and become a self-sustaining nation? How would it have protected itself against such war heroes as Beauregard and Longstreet, Joe Wheeler and Nathan D. Forrest? And what would have been its relations to the United States, socially, economically, spiritually and politically?

I am inclined, on all these counts, to be optimistic. The chief evils in the Federal victory lay in the fact, from which we still suffer abominably, that it was a victory of what we now call Babbitts over what used to be called gentlemen. I am not arguing here, of course, that the whole Confederate army was composed of gentlemen; on the contrary, it was chiefly made up, like the Federal army, of innocent and unwashed peasants, and not a few of them got into its corps of officers. But the impulse behind it, as everyone knows, was essentially aristocratic, and that aristocratic impulse would have fashioned the Confederacy if the fortunes of war had run the other way. Whatever the defects of the new commonwealth below the Potomac, it would have at least been a commonwealth founded upon a concept of human inequality, and with a superior minority at the helm. It might not have produced any more Washingtons, Madisons, Jeffersons, Calhouns and Randolphs of Roanoke, but it would certainly not have yielded itself to the Heflins, Caraways, Bilbos and Tillmans.

The rise of such bounders was a natural and inevitable consequence of the military disaster. That disaster left the Southern gentry deflated and almost helpless. Thousands of the best young men among them had been killed, and thousands of those who survived came North. They commonly did well in the North, and were good citizens. My own native town of Baltimore was greatly enriched by their immigration, both culturally and materially; if it is less corrupt today than most other large American cities, then the credit belongs largely to Virginians, many of whom arrived with no baggage save good manners and empty bellies. Back home they were sorely missed. First the carpetbaggers ravaged the land, and then it fell into the hands of the native white trash, already so poor that war and Reconstruction could not make them any poorer. When things began to improve they seized whatever was seizable, and their heirs and assigns, now poor no longer, hold it to this day. A raw plutocracy owns and operates the New South, with no challenge save from a proletariat, white and black, that is still three-fourths peasant, and hence too stupid to be dangerous. The aristocracy is almost extinct, at least as a force in government. It may survive in backwaters and on puerile levels, but of the men who run the South today, and represent it at Washington, not 5%, by any Southern standard, are gentlemen.

If the war had gone with the Confederates no such vermin would be in the saddle, nor would there be any sign below the Potomac of their chief contributions to American Kultur—Ku Kluxry, political ecclesiasticism, nigger-baiting, and the more homicidal variety of wowserism. Such things might have arisen in America, but they would not have arisen in the South. The old aristocracy, however degenerate it might have become, would have at least retained sufficient decency to see to that. New Orleans, today, would still be a highly charming and civilized (if perhaps somewhat zymotic) city, with a touch of Paris and another of Port Said. Charleston, which even now sprouts lady authors, would also sprout political philosophers. The University of Virginia would be what Jefferson intended it to be, and no shouting Methodist would haunt its campus. Richmond would be, not the dull suburb of nothing that it is now, but a beautiful and consoling second-rate capital, comparable to Budapest, Brussels, Stockholm or The Hague. And all of us, with the Middle West pumping its revolting silo juices into the East and West alike, would be making frequent leaps over the Potomac, to drink the sound red wine there and breathe the free air.

My guess is that the two Republics would be getting on pretty amicably. Perhaps they’d have come to terms as early as 1898, and fought the Spanish-American War together. In 1917 the confiding North might have gone out to save the world for democracy, but the South, vaccinated against both Wall Street and the Liberal whim-wham, would have kept aloof—and maybe rolled up a couple of billions of profit from the holy crusade. It would probably be far richer today, independent, than it is with the clutch of the Yankee mortgage-shark still on its collar. It would be getting and using his money just the same, but his toll would be less. As things stand, he not only exploits the South economically; he also pollutes and debases it spiritually. It suffers damnably from low wages, but it suffers even more from the Chamber of Commerce metaphysic.

No doubt the Confederates, victorious, would have abolished slavery by the middle of the 80s. They were headed that way before the war, and the more sagacious of them were all in favor of it. But they were in favor of it on sound economic grounds, and not on the brummagem moral grounds which persuaded the North. The difference here is immense. In human history a moral victory is always a disaster, for it debauches and degrades both the victor and the vanquished. The triumph of sin in 1865 would have stimulated and helped to civilize both sides.

Today the way out looks painful and hazardous. Civilization in the United States survives only in the big cities, and many of them—notably Boston and Philadelphia—seem to be sliding down to the cow country level. No doubt this standardization will go on until a few of the more resolute towns, headed by New York, take to open revolt, and try to break out of the Union. Already, indeed, it is talked of. But it will be hard to accomplish, for the tradition that the Union is indissoluble is now firmly established. If it had been broken in 1865, life would be far pleasanter today for every American of any noticeable decency. There are, to be sure, advantages in Union for everyone, but it must be manifest that they are greatest for the worst kinds of people. All the benefit that a New Yorker gets out of Kansas is no more than what he might get out of Saskatchewan, the Argentine pampas, or Siberia. But New York to a Kansan is not only a place where he may get drunk, look at dirty shows and buy bogus antiques; it is also a place where he may enforce his dunghill ideas upon his betters."

Published in The American Mercury, Sept., 1930, (The Vintage Mencken, Gathered by Alistair Cooke, Vintage Books, 1955, pp.197-201)


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[Oh_That_Guy]

I do not like stepping into the flag debate. However, one thing has always bothered me about the history/heritage aspect of the flag debate. The flag most people recognize as the "Confederate" flag was never the flag of the Confederate State of America. To claim history/heritage for that flag shows an abundance of ignorance or stupidity.

You may want to look that up before talking about how ignorant and stupid people are.

 

[SCcouple1990]

You may want to look that up before talking about how ignorant and stupid people are.

Living in the state of SC where the "Confederate" flag has flown on the State House grounds since 1962, and having several ancestors who served, and were injured in the War Between the States, I have some knowledge of flag history. It was never a flag of the Confederate States of America. The "Confederate" flag was a Confederate Naval Jack flag, and the second of those. The square version of the "Confederate" flag was a Confederate Battle flag. The current "Confederate" flag was adopted by Confederate veterans some time after the war. The “Confederate” flag has also been adopted by the KKK and a number of hate individuals or groups. If history/heritage is an argument, it would be much more accurate to have any of the CSA national flags or the South Carolina Sovereignty/Secession flag.

Did I leave anything out?

 

[eyer]

How the two biggest mistakes in American history could've been avoided:

1. The anti-slavers at the Constitutional Convention should have refused uncompromisingly outright to form any new union with pro-slave states. They would've then been morally free to put into solid, practical political practice Jefferson's declarative,

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The blatant racial injustice this nation has suffered from its inception, that blatant racial injustice with continues to be nothing but cancer all the way down to our national bones...

...would, in all intent and purpose, be nonexistent.

2. The so-called "North" legislators, Executive, and Justices should have naturally agreed to the so-called "South's" desire to secede from the union they - and the North - voluntarily joined.

That Federal victory of the use of unconstitutional, tyrannical force before and during the War Between the States, to violently prevent voluntary secession, and the draconian federal edicts over the conquered and their land after the War, to forcefully bring to federal government heel the states which seceded and those states' citizens who supported secession...

...paved the way to the almost unlimited omnipotent federal government we have today that treats its purposely-limited, constitutionally-granted power with even more traitorous disdain, and has now taken illegal power over almost every aspect of citizen life.

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

Living in the state of SC where the "Confederate" flag has flown on the State House grounds since 1962, and having several ancestors who served, and were injured in the War Between the States, I have some knowledge of flag history. It was never a flag of the Confederate States of America. The "Confederate" flag was a Confederate Naval Jack flag, and the second of those. The square version of the "Confederate" flag was a Confederate Battle flag. The current "Confederate" flag was adopted by Confederate veterans some time after the war. The “Confederate” flag has also been adopted by the KKK and a number of hate individuals or groups. If history/heritage is an argument, it would be much more accurate to have any of the CSA national flags or the South Carolina Sovereignty/Secession flag.

Did I leave anything out?

You left out the part about the second national flag of the confederacy. Look it up.

 

[phrodeau]

I do not like stepping into the flag debate. However, one thing has always bothered me about the history/heritage aspect of the flag debate. The flag most people recognize as the "Confederate" flag was never the flag of the Confederate State of America. To claim history/heritage for that flag shows an abundance of ignorance or stupidity.

You may want to look that up before talking about how ignorant and stupid people are.

It's pointless to argue. "Confederate flag" is now firmly established as none other than this thing:
http://www.only-flags.com/images/confederadabig.jpg

There's no other design even close to competing with it for the title. https://www.google.com/search?q=con...a=X&ei=HlOEVZbwHNCuoQT8zIKAAQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ

 

[neci]

southern courthouses are riddled with confederate statues and confederate flags. i associate both with racism and hatred. if anything says, "keep out!" it's the confederate flag.

 

[Busybody]

The Confederacy lost the Civil War. Their flag is the symbol of racist losers. Germany does not embrace the Nazi flag. It is certainly time that we do the same, after more than a century and a half of clinging to their whiny lamentations of white supremacy. Take down the flag and put it in a museum, relegating it to the ranks of history where it belongs.

another one of the BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE who tar and feather all people behind one flag

and would pee her pants if anyone says that MUSLIMS are violent

you are a piece of shit

hippo fucking creep

 

[neci]

http://www.ruffinflagcompany.net/images/products/rebel/star%20bars%2013%20sm.jpg
this is the one they fly, when trying to disguise their aims.

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

http://www.ruffinflagcompany.net/images/products/rebel/star%20bars%2013%20sm.jpg
this is the one they fly, when trying to disguise their aims.

That is the first flag. It flew for a couple years. Then the second for a couple years and then the third.

 

[Pookie]

It's pointless to argue. "Confederate flag" is now firmly established as none other than this thing:
http://www.only-flags.com/images/confederadabig.jpg

There's no other design even close to competing with it for the title. https://www.google.com/search?q=con...a=X&ei=HlOEVZbwHNCuoQT8zIKAAQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ

That is the one that flew over the State House for decades.

This is the one flying on our State House grounds now ...

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--770s65B6--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1302810421036974376.png

 

[Busybody]

I am more annoyed at THIS

llegal Immigrant Waves Mexican Flag During Graduation Ceremony From Taxpayer Funded University…

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It’s kind of like she’s rubbing it in our faces.

Via Daily Caller:

An illegal immigrant who graduated from the University of California, San Diego this spring proudly waved a green, red and white Mexican flag as she walked across the stage during commencement ceremonies on Sunday.

The flag-waving UC San Diego graduate is Indira Esparza, reports The San Diego Union-Tribune.

Esparza, 22, moved to the United States with her parents from Mexico when she was two years old. Her parents were (and presumably remain) illegal immigrants.

Taxpayer-funded officials at UC San Diego advised the Union-Tribune’s reporter and photographer on the scene to focus squarely on Esparza. It’s not clear if these administrators knew in advance that the student had plotted to pull the foreign flag stunt. […]

Esparza plans to become a teacher, and will immediately continuing her education by pursuing a Master’s degree at UCSD.

It’s not clear how Esparza obtained funding to attend UCSD as an undergraduate or how she will finance her Master’s degree.

In any case, the San Diego newspaper dutifully featured Esparza’s story and a photograph of her unfurling the Mexican flag on stage in its coverage of the graduation ceremony.

Local response to the flag fracas has been largely negative. The paper has received over a dozen angry letters. Reader comments below the story are also critical.

The Union-Tribune cites one comment saying: “I can’t imagine living illegally in another country, and waving an American flag in people’s faces. Rude.”

 

[Stewart_Pidd]

it's also the flag of the General Lee bro!

Stew

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/1226207.jpg

 

[eyer]

southern courthouses are riddled with confederate statues and confederate flags. i associate both with racism and hatred. if anything says, "keep out!" it's the confederate flag.

But yet...

...you chose to live in "keep out!" Texas.

 

[Stewart_Pidd]

another one of the BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE who tar and feather all people behind one flag

and would pee her pants if anyone says that MUSLIMS are violent

you are a piece of shit

hippo fucking creep

I bet you look like Elmer Fudd, at least that's the voice I hear when you post bro!

Stew