The building housing Abu Dhabi TV...

p_p_man

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has had a large neon sign on its side proclaiming who they are. The sign has been there months before the conflict started. Everyone knew it was there, everyone knew what the building housed.

So why did the US bomb it on Tuesday?

And more disturbing is why doesn't the US allow the Red Cross into the basement of the building where it's thought that up to 27 journalists and support staff are trapped?

Even more disturbing, no journalist covering Baghdad saw or heard any firing come from that building, despite what the US has told the world.

And the final disturbing bit is why is the US refusing to listen to the pleas of fellow journalists and news agencies from around the world to help the 27 reach freedom?

Disturbing isn't it?

ppman
 
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And the Abu Dhabi bombing was in addition to...

the attack on the Palestine Hotel which housed the majority of foreign journalists and the Al-Jazeera office...

I thought America supported free speech...

Well you're always shouting that you do...

ppman
 
The journalists and human shields knew what they were walking into when they went to Baghdad. It's not the US military's responsibility to mount a rescue mission for them. What did the journalists think? did they think some mysterious force field would keep them from being collateral damage?

If fired on, the US forces will fire back. No exceptions. Hesitation=death in combat.

But damn, that A-10 tore the hell out of the Information Ministry.
 
Only if they say what WE want em to say......Otherwise FRY THE BASTARDS.......

Roast MOO-slam!!!!!!!!!!......
 
Why don't you ever bitch about the shit the Brits are doing down in Basra? Does it hit too close to home?

I hate this fucking war. It's wearing me down. I swear, I need to turn off CNN for a few days. I'm starting to wear fatigues and clean my dad's old shotgun.

Damn thing'd probably knock me on my ass if I ever pulled the trigger...well, that is if I ever got a shell for it.
 
big deep fucking sigh....

I am so sorry that busybody is American. We are NOT all assholes, okay? We just have to let him wander the streets. It's in the constitution after all.
 
sigh said:
It's wearing me down. I swear, I need to turn off CNN for a few days. I'm starting to wear fatigues and clean my dad's old shotgun.

LOL

:D

ppman
 
sigh said:
I hate this fucking war. It's wearing me down. I swear, I need to turn off CNN for a few days. I'm starting to wear fatigues and clean my dad's old shotgun.

Should try watching Fox News like I do... I'm ready to take out a few loans and buy a summer home in Iraq.
 
sigh said:
big deep fucking sigh....

I am so sorry that busybody is American. We are NOT all assholes, okay? We just have to let him wander the streets. It's in the constitution after all.
Excuse me.......I would rather save OUR troops the danger of lloking for these people that PUT themselves in this situation.....
 
Oh one other comment about how much coverage I've been watching... I've watched so much of it that now everytime the person on camera takes one of those deep breathes to keep talking it sounds like a gunshot going off next to my ear.

Anyone else annoyed by those big deep breathes the anchors and correspondants take?
 
The US goverment also told the reporters that they could not garuantee reporters the reporters saftey if they stayed in Bagdad

But when fired upon soldiers will return fire

if they don't it could mean the death
 
Abu Dhabi's location and the Iraqi military..

Housed in the same area as an Iraqi 37mm twin anti-aircraft weapon firing at the A-10.
BTW- Al Jizzera was in the same building, it boils down to consented suicide by reporters that snuggle up to the military regime that will use them for propaganda.
It all boils down to being around legal targets once anyone pulls a trigger in their vicinity.
It's called war.
 
p_p_man said:
has had a large neon sign on its side proclaiming who they are. The sign has been there months before the conflict started. Everyone knew it was there, everyone knew what the building housed.

So why did the US bomb it on Tuesday?

ppman

They thought it was a BRITISH TANK.

:D :D :D

*Dives for cover*
 
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Mad_Jack_Rabbit said:
They thought it was a BRITISH TANK.

:D :D :D

*Dives for cover*

Good one:D
 
Re: Abu Dhabi's location and the Iraqi military..

Lost Cause said:
Housed in the same area as an Iraqi 37mm twin anti-aircraft weapon firing at the A-10.
BTW- Al Jizzera was in the same building, it boils down to consented suicide by reporters that snuggle up to the military regime that will use them for propaganda.
It all boils down to being around legal targets once anyone pulls a trigger in their vicinity.
It's called war.

Why don't you just say America fucked up...

It's easier that way and who knows, people might begin to like you for your honesty...

ppman
 
p_p_man said:

Disturbing isn't it?

ppman
It appears that you're quite upset about this.

I suggest that you get one of those "Hallmark" cards that expresses sympathy,

And mail it to the offended party.

Im sure they will appreciate your concern.



:)
 
p_p_man said:
has had a large neon sign on its side proclaiming who they are. The sign has been there months before the conflict started. Everyone knew it was there, everyone knew what the building housed.

So why did the US bomb it on Tuesday?


Because Americans are bloodthirsty, gun-loving, mother raping, baby killers.

Why don't you ever express the same phony outrage over Iraq's crimes against humanity? Shove it up you ass.

No one can shovel bullshit faster than you. Here is an article from your beloved Guardian.:
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Iraq human rights dossier: main points

A summary of the Foreign Office's evidence of human rights abuses in Iraq, compiled from information collected by human rights groups, government sources and the UN

Staff and agencies
Monday December 2, 2002

Torture

Torture is "systematic" in Iraq and the most of the country's senior figures are involved.

A revolutionary command council decree guarantees immunity for ruling party members who cause damage to property, bodily harm or death when pursuing enemies of the regime.

Amputation of the tongue became the penalty for slander or abusive remarks about the Iraqi president, Saddam Hussein, or his family in 2000.

BBC correspondent John Sweeney reported from northern Iraq on child torture, telling the story of a former agent whose daughter's feet were half-crushed when he came under suspicion for a bungled assassination attempt on President Saddam's eldest son.

That son, Uday, runs his own torture chamber (al-Ghurfa al-Hamra - the Red Room) on the banks of the river Tigris. He has personally executed dissidents and tortured the national football team after it lost a World Cup qualifying match.

Iraqi law forbids the use of torture but no Iraqi official suspected of carrying it out has ever been brought to trial.

Treatment of women


A 1990 decree allows men to kill female relatives in the name of honour with no risk of punishment.

Uday Hussein's militia practices beheadings. Dozens of women accused of prostitution were beheaded in October 2000 with no judicial process. One was an obstetrician whose real crime was believed to be criticising corruption in the health service.

Nidal Shaikh Shallal, a government worker who fled Iraq, said women are also beheaded for lying, though they mostly belong to families opposed to the regime.

Dissident women are also raped, she said, and the wives of dissidents are either killed or tortured in front of their husbands to obtain confessions.

Prisons


In the Mahjar prison in central Baghdad, inmates are beaten twice a day and the women among them raped by the guards.

Two large petrol reservoirs are connected to the prison to destroy the Mahjar in an emergency.

The "casket prison" keeps inmates in rows of mortuary-style steel boxes until they confess to their crimes or die.

A UN team was prevented in 1998 from investigating claims that biological weapons had been tested on prisoners

Human Rights Watch have reported on the use of execution to "cleanse" prisons. In 1984, 4,000 political prisoners were killed in one jail.

Persecution of the Kurds


Documents captured by Kurds document the arrest and execution of 8,000 men and boys in 1983.

Amnesty International estimates over 100,000 Kurds were killed or "disappeared" during 1987-88.

A chemical weapons attack on the town of Halabja killed 5,000 civilians and injured 10,000 more.

As part of a policy of Arabisation, Kurds and other non-Arabs are expelled from oil-rich areas of the north to dilute their claims to the underground riches. Arabs from the south are encouraged to move north.

Persecution of the Shia community


Shias are the majority community in Iraq, making up 60% of the population, but any religious or tribal leader that becomes too prominent is killed before he or she is a threat to the regime.

More than 100 Shia clerics have disappeared since the 1991 uprising. The most senior among them, Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Mohammed Sadiq al-Sadr, was murdered in 1999.

Entire Shia villages were destroyed in response to attacks on government buildings in southern Iraq.

Marshes in the south have also been drained to force Shia Marsh Arabs - a distinct indigenous group who have lived on the marshes for millennia - to move to cities where they could be more easily controlled by President Saddam's security apparatus.

Half the estimated 400,000 Marsh Arabs are now living in refugee camps in Iran. The remainder are internally displaced in Iraq.

Iraq human rights dossier: main points

A summary of the Foreign Office's evidence of human rights abuses in Iraq, compiled from information collected by human rights groups, government sources and the UN

Staff and agencies
Monday December 2, 2002

Torture

Torture is "systematic" in Iraq and the most of the country's senior figures are involved.

A revolutionary command council decree guarantees immunity for ruling party members who cause damage to property, bodily harm or death when pursuing enemies of the regime.

Amputation of the tongue became the penalty for slander or abusive remarks about the Iraqi president, Saddam Hussein, or his family in 2000.

BBC correspondent John Sweeney reported from northern Iraq on child torture, telling the story of a former agent whose daughter's feet were half-crushed when he came under suspicion for a bungled assassination attempt on President Saddam's eldest son.

That son, Uday, runs his own torture chamber (al-Ghurfa al-Hamra - the Red Room) on the banks of the river Tigris. He has personally executed dissidents and tortured the national football team after it lost a World Cup qualifying match.

Iraqi law forbids the use of torture but no Iraqi official suspected of carrying it out has ever been brought to trial.

Treatment of women


A 1990 decree allows men to kill female relatives in the name of honour with no risk of punishment.

Uday Hussein's militia practices beheadings. Dozens of women accused of prostitution were beheaded in October 2000 with no judicial process. One was an obstetrician whose real crime was believed to be criticising corruption in the health service.

Nidal Shaikh Shallal, a government worker who fled Iraq, said women are also beheaded for lying, though they mostly belong to families opposed to the regime.

Dissident women are also raped, she said, and the wives of dissidents are either killed or tortured in front of their husbands to obtain confessions.

Prisons


In the Mahjar prison in central Baghdad, inmates are beaten twice a day and the women among them raped by the guards.

Two large petrol reservoirs are connected to the prison to destroy the Mahjar in an emergency.

The "casket prison" keeps inmates in rows of mortuary-style steel boxes until they confess to their crimes or die.

A UN team was prevented in 1998 from investigating claims that biological weapons had been tested on prisoners

Human Rights Watch have reported on the use of execution to "cleanse" prisons. In 1984, 4,000 political prisoners were killed in one jail.

Persecution of the Kurds


Documents captured by Kurds document the arrest and execution of 8,000 men and boys in 1983.

Amnesty International estimates over 100,000 Kurds were killed or "disappeared" during 1987-88.

A chemical weapons attack on the town of Halabja killed 5,000 civilians and injured 10,000 more.

As part of a policy of Arabisation, Kurds and other non-Arabs are expelled from oil-rich areas of the north to dilute their claims to the underground riches. Arabs from the south are encouraged to move north.

Persecution of the Shia community


Shias are the majority community in Iraq, making up 60% of the population, but any religious or tribal leader that becomes too prominent is killed before he or she is a threat to the regime.

More than 100 Shia clerics have disappeared since the 1991 uprising. The most senior among them, Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Mohammed Sadiq al-Sadr, was murdered in 1999.

Entire Shia villages were destroyed in response to attacks on government buildings in southern Iraq.

Marshes in the south have also been drained to force Shia Marsh Arabs - a distinct indigenous group who have lived on the marshes for millennia - to move to cities where they could be more easily controlled by President Saddam's security apparatus.

Half the estimated 400,000 Marsh Arabs are now living in refugee camps in Iran. The remainder are internally displaced in Iraq.

http://www.election.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffairs/story/0,11538,852345,00.html
 
Well, well

pp. I actually had a friendly bet with another Lit. member which of your crowd would start this thread. I knew I could count on you or RED. :D

There was no "fuck up". None at all. I don't really care if the buildings were painted International Orange. They are in a war zone and are NOT hospitals, schools, Mosques, or other buildings of note. They are common commercial buildings of no particular interest at all. Of no interest that is except to an enemy that is perfectly willing to use any sheild they can, and the higher the propaganda value, the more likely it is to be used.

I can't believe that anyone would be surprised at their using the international press as a sheild. What better propaganda? The press loves to write about itself most of all, particularly if they can paint themselves as victims and martyrs.

You, as usual, misquoted the press in it's misquoting of itself. In the 'in depth' interviews the reporters at the hotel consistently said the heard no shots "from that location." In an urban envioronment it is almost impossible to tell from which direction shots are coming from unless you have direct line of sight to the shooter. The report from the shot will echo around the buildings and is is quite common for even close observers to indicate a direction and distance that is at odds with the reality of the situation. One only has to refer back to the eye witness statements made about the "beltway sniper" to verify my statement.

The press ensconced in Bhagdad served no purpose whatsoever. None. They brought nothing of value to the party. They were virtual hostages of the Hussein regime. They were essentially prisoners in the hotel that they were assigned. Let out to be escorted to various locations to be shown 'evidence' that was of propaganda value only. There was no real reporting taking place.

Night after night we heard reports from Bhagdad, "There was a HUGE explosion Fred!!" Well no fucking shit. Any idiot could have written that script.

Of late they did serve a prupose in bringing us that 15 minutes of hilarity refered to as a "breifing" by the Iraqi Information Minister. The press coverage of "Bhagdad Bob" did interject a few moments of levity into an otherwise somber event. Much the same levity that you, RED, Donkey, and the others in terminal denial bring to the boards. :p

The press, at their own risk and account, placed themselves in the middle of a combat zone. For some insane reason they thought that they could sit in their room, order their eggs benedict and sip brandy, and look out the window in safety while commenting on events of which they had no first hand knowledge whatsoever.

I feel sorry for their families. I do not, however, feel any particular sadness for them. They were there at their own risk and account. They were there after repeadtedly being warned by the coalition. (Interesting that they were warned and not "ordered", huh pp? Little lesson there for you pp.) They, conciously, put themselve in harms way and considering the reaction of some of their brethren, seemed to believe that their meer presence was enough to create an artificial "no fire" zone around them. A notion as stupid as it is arrogant. How French? What?

In a war zone the military has no obligation beyond killing the enemy while preserving it's own forces. Anything else is a consideration. Even the Geneva convention makes allowances for those facilities that would normally be "off limits" if said facilities have been converted to military purposes by the enemy. It is the enemy that is in violation of the Convention by engaging in said conversion to begin with. Perhaps some board "lawyer" can explain the concept of "conversion" to you. :)

Congrats on another "non-issue" thread.

Ishmael
 
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Ishmael said:
There was no "fuck up". None at all..

So if there was no fuck up and America uses very precise targeting techniques it has to have been a deliberate act...

Probably because Bush didn't like the way they reported the war. You know as well as I do he's prone to fly into childish tantrums if he thinks he's being crossed.

Mind you that doesn't explain the targetting of the Palestine Hotel where most foreign journalists were held, unless of course it was a fuck up...

ppman
 
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p_p_man said:
So if there was no fuck up and America uses very precise targeting techniques it has to have been a deliberate act...

Probably because Bush didn't like the way they reported the war. You know as well as I do he's prone to fly into childish tantrums if he thinks he's being crossed.

Mind you that doesn't explain the targetting of the Palestine Hotel where most foreign journalists were held, unless of course it was a fuck up...

ppman

Not watching the latest reports, are you pp? :D

Better go to the "Roast Crow" thread.

Ishmael
 
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