The Blacklist
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sigh i was afraid that something like this was on the horizen and its not just in america its the psyche of the whole of the 1st world not only are we withdrawing away from other "lesser" nations we're condeming those who are different or choose to think differently with in our own nations
in the 50's people were branded as comie's now its either terrorists or anti-american
in england our home secretary is telling immigrants they need to "fit in better" because of race riots that happened earlier this year
also i think its very scary that someone was "black listed" mearly because he was trying to examine WHY the terrorists made the attack on 9/11 ... i would think that is a very good question that needs to get answered and its scary that our goverments arent looking into that
in the 50's people were branded as comie's now its either terrorists or anti-american
in england our home secretary is telling immigrants they need to "fit in better" because of race riots that happened earlier this year
also i think its very scary that someone was "black listed" mearly because he was trying to examine WHY the terrorists made the attack on 9/11 ... i would think that is a very good question that needs to get answered and its scary that our goverments arent looking into that
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We all knew it was coming though, didn't we? It's a symptom of a greater disease... the forced conformity of thought and action that has become a larger and larger part of our school systems and society for years.
It's insidious, and this is the first truly National and obvious step, but it isn't the truly first step... and, unfortunately, it won't be the last.
Someone I used to work with was fired for making copies of an Islamic Newsletter that profiled the suspected terrorists. Her actions were considered 'UnAmerican'.
It's insidious, and this is the first truly National and obvious step, but it isn't the truly first step... and, unfortunately, it won't be the last.
Someone I used to work with was fired for making copies of an Islamic Newsletter that profiled the suspected terrorists. Her actions were considered 'UnAmerican'.
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academic terrorists
If the purpose of terrorism is to terrorise, than wouldn't we have to admit that UBL achieved his goal? It's hard to believe that the wife of the vice president and the other candidate for vice president have become so afraid of conversation. Damn, I thought the whole bloody fuckin' purpose of universities was to ask questions.
Luckily, sexy-girl, the irish can blend for the most part in Britain, or they'd be shippin' me 'back' (and I was born in Leeds).
If the purpose of terrorism is to terrorise, than wouldn't we have to admit that UBL achieved his goal? It's hard to believe that the wife of the vice president and the other candidate for vice president have become so afraid of conversation. Damn, I thought the whole bloody fuckin' purpose of universities was to ask questions.
Luckily, sexy-girl, the irish can blend for the most part in Britain, or they'd be shippin' me 'back' (and I was born in Leeds).
I don't agree with people stifling others freedoms. It is just not right, but is that really what is going to become of this? I think not. I think this is just the result of some bored bitch and her crew wanting to feel all useful, patriotic, and important.
This Craplist isn't the same thing as a blacklist. It only "resembles" that of a blacklist in some peoples minds, and really, it is nothing like the actual concept, and never will be.
It is not going to be a means for bringing up criminal charges against our civilians for speaking their minds. It will be used to determine things like where the funding will go, and where it won't. That is biased, to say the least, but not un-Constitutional. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of what others are saying and doing.
This article is just like so many others that enable accusations to be hurdled in the other direction, without truly defining the nature of the situation and the real problem.
There is a problem if students only view one side of a situation, and go from there. I, for one, am sickened by the lack of true critical thought by all parties involved, that is replaced by one sided, judgmental word slinging on both sides of the issue.
It is just all a way of spewing and instilling paranoia in a nation that will sonly become divided. I see this happening. Clearly.
It scares the fucking piss out of me. More so than any terrorist threat or action made to date. This country will be teetering on the edge of a breakdown, if this shit continues on both sides.
This Craplist isn't the same thing as a blacklist. It only "resembles" that of a blacklist in some peoples minds, and really, it is nothing like the actual concept, and never will be.
It is not going to be a means for bringing up criminal charges against our civilians for speaking their minds. It will be used to determine things like where the funding will go, and where it won't. That is biased, to say the least, but not un-Constitutional. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of what others are saying and doing.
This article is just like so many others that enable accusations to be hurdled in the other direction, without truly defining the nature of the situation and the real problem.
There is a problem if students only view one side of a situation, and go from there. I, for one, am sickened by the lack of true critical thought by all parties involved, that is replaced by one sided, judgmental word slinging on both sides of the issue.
It is just all a way of spewing and instilling paranoia in a nation that will sonly become divided. I see this happening. Clearly.
It scares the fucking piss out of me. More so than any terrorist threat or action made to date. This country will be teetering on the edge of a breakdown, if this shit continues on both sides.
SINthysist
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Why would Honest Joe shock you.
He, Algore, Tipper, and many other Dems have been talking about censorship for some time.
That's what political correctness is too. And some of the very people that they are targeting are there former allies in telling us what we should think, say, and do.
Free speech has been under attack for some time. But more so from the left. Lieberman is very cleverly using Mrs. Cheney (who holds no real power mind you) to deflect some of the heat from himself.
Frankly though, some of these professors do deserve critisism for setting about to establish an environment where only thier thoughts deserve the moniker of free speech. Everything else would be hate speech.
Which, I have argued for so long now, is still free speech.
He, Algore, Tipper, and many other Dems have been talking about censorship for some time.
That's what political correctness is too. And some of the very people that they are targeting are there former allies in telling us what we should think, say, and do.
Free speech has been under attack for some time. But more so from the left. Lieberman is very cleverly using Mrs. Cheney (who holds no real power mind you) to deflect some of the heat from himself.
Frankly though, some of these professors do deserve critisism for setting about to establish an environment where only thier thoughts deserve the moniker of free speech. Everything else would be hate speech.
Which, I have argued for so long now, is still free speech.
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Re: It's what I've always said...
sure p_p_man.........egg------em on!
p_p_man said:America is being controlled by an extremist Government...
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You need adobe acrobat to open this page.
http://www.goacta.org/Reports/defciv.pdf
This is the report published by ACTA that the San Jose Mercury was discussing.
I looked through the site, but I didn't find a blacklist.
I just found a rather lengthy list of quotes in th report that carry on about America's culpability, some factoids regarding inequality in protest rights, and a few statements that smacked of treason.
The ACTA supports the government's ideals for revenge.
Some college professors and students were vocal about their ideals for a pacifistic answer or for the US to admit to culpability in the bombing.
Personally, I think ACTA is wrong in publishing this report under their organization. It should have been published independently if they wanted it out. However, I believe that the professors and students are as equally responsible for what they've said.
I did find this little blurb that I not only found interesting but in keeping with my experiences regarding the four different universities I've been a part of.
"“The most serious problems of freedom of expression in our society today exist
on our campuses.... The assumption seems to be that the purpose of education
is to induce correct opinion rather than to search for wisdom and to liberate
the mind.” — Benno Schmidt, former president of Yale University (1991)
______________________________________________________________
Academic Freedom
Academic freedom is a modern term for an idea with roots in ancient Greece: the right to follow an argument, wherever it may lead. It is the belief that intellectual inquiry must be protected against those who, for whatever reason, may try to deny it, shape it, silence it, or punish it; and that the unfettered pursuit of truth is central to the purpose of the college or university and fundamental for human progress.
The ideals of academic freedom and free speech are at the core of the American academic tradition. Teachers must be free to teach, students must be free to learn, and freedom in research is essential to the advancement of truth.
In the past, systematic threats to academic freedom have been external. Today, however, the threat to academic freedom comes from within. The barbarians are not at the gates; they are inside the walls. In 1991, retiring Harvard president Derek Bok said, “What universities can and must resist are deliberate, overt attempts to impose orthodoxy and suppress dissent....In recent years, the threat of orthodoxy has come primarily from within rather than from outside the university.”
Since that time, others have documented the growing political intolerance and abuse of academic freedom on campus.
Students report feeling intimidated by professors and fellow students if they question politically correct ideas. In some cases, students have been subject to official sanctions for speaking their minds in class.
The Freedom Forum First Amendment Center finds that hundreds of colleges have adopted speech codes or sensitivity requirements that threaten free speech and academic freedom.
American historians cited “political correctness” and “overspecialization” most frequently when asked to name weaknesses in their profession by an Organization of American Historians survey.
The Student Press Law Center reports over 100 instances of campus newspaper theft, with little or no punishment for the perpetrators.
Professors have been removed and punished, in some cases illegally, for violating the norms of political correctness.
What happens when the threat is internal? What happens when the intellectual freedom of politically unfashionable colleagues or students is threatened by other professors, whose outrageous behavior is itself protected by tenure and “departmental autonomy”? It is important to understand how dramatically the situation has changed. Professors who once preached objectivity now celebrate subjectivity. The measure is not truth but power—especially the power of one's race, class, and gender. The aim is not to educate the young to think for themselves but to transform them into “change agents” for the professor's own brand of social engineering.""
http://www.goacta.org/Reports/defciv.pdf
This is the report published by ACTA that the San Jose Mercury was discussing.
I looked through the site, but I didn't find a blacklist.
I just found a rather lengthy list of quotes in th report that carry on about America's culpability, some factoids regarding inequality in protest rights, and a few statements that smacked of treason.
The ACTA supports the government's ideals for revenge.
Some college professors and students were vocal about their ideals for a pacifistic answer or for the US to admit to culpability in the bombing.
Personally, I think ACTA is wrong in publishing this report under their organization. It should have been published independently if they wanted it out. However, I believe that the professors and students are as equally responsible for what they've said.
I did find this little blurb that I not only found interesting but in keeping with my experiences regarding the four different universities I've been a part of.
"“The most serious problems of freedom of expression in our society today exist
on our campuses.... The assumption seems to be that the purpose of education
is to induce correct opinion rather than to search for wisdom and to liberate
the mind.” — Benno Schmidt, former president of Yale University (1991)
______________________________________________________________
Academic Freedom
Academic freedom is a modern term for an idea with roots in ancient Greece: the right to follow an argument, wherever it may lead. It is the belief that intellectual inquiry must be protected against those who, for whatever reason, may try to deny it, shape it, silence it, or punish it; and that the unfettered pursuit of truth is central to the purpose of the college or university and fundamental for human progress.
The ideals of academic freedom and free speech are at the core of the American academic tradition. Teachers must be free to teach, students must be free to learn, and freedom in research is essential to the advancement of truth.
In the past, systematic threats to academic freedom have been external. Today, however, the threat to academic freedom comes from within. The barbarians are not at the gates; they are inside the walls. In 1991, retiring Harvard president Derek Bok said, “What universities can and must resist are deliberate, overt attempts to impose orthodoxy and suppress dissent....In recent years, the threat of orthodoxy has come primarily from within rather than from outside the university.”
Since that time, others have documented the growing political intolerance and abuse of academic freedom on campus.
Students report feeling intimidated by professors and fellow students if they question politically correct ideas. In some cases, students have been subject to official sanctions for speaking their minds in class.
The Freedom Forum First Amendment Center finds that hundreds of colleges have adopted speech codes or sensitivity requirements that threaten free speech and academic freedom.
American historians cited “political correctness” and “overspecialization” most frequently when asked to name weaknesses in their profession by an Organization of American Historians survey.
The Student Press Law Center reports over 100 instances of campus newspaper theft, with little or no punishment for the perpetrators.
Professors have been removed and punished, in some cases illegally, for violating the norms of political correctness.
What happens when the threat is internal? What happens when the intellectual freedom of politically unfashionable colleagues or students is threatened by other professors, whose outrageous behavior is itself protected by tenure and “departmental autonomy”? It is important to understand how dramatically the situation has changed. Professors who once preached objectivity now celebrate subjectivity. The measure is not truth but power—especially the power of one's race, class, and gender. The aim is not to educate the young to think for themselves but to transform them into “change agents” for the professor's own brand of social engineering.""
SINthysist
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Very good KM.
Tai hau le!
Tai hau le!
KillerMuffin
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Shut up AJ.
SINthysist
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Wow, you know how to take a compliment.
We're on the same page.
Scary?
We're on the same page.
Scary?
KillerMuffin
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Don't you have an AA meeting to go to?
SINthysist
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You know they kicked me out.
How was I to know bringing a few brews fr my buds was a no-no. Hell, it's only beer. You would have thought that I had brung Jack and Johnny.
How was I to know bringing a few brews fr my buds was a no-no. Hell, it's only beer. You would have thought that I had brung Jack and Johnny.
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