The Bitch Thread

[chris9]

[bitch]

Okay, I have a new roommate scheduled to move in on the first, and now that it's the 25th the old roommate just informed me that he's refusing to move out. He still hasn't paid November's rent, owes $150 for late/nsf check fees for October, and I need to send rent in right away for next month, which I doubt he's going to be paying me. The phone got disconnected because I'd been giving him cash for the bills, and the electric bill is $300 (again with giving him cash, i wasn't aware of what he was doing with the cash until this month). I talked to my landlords, but because I actually paid rent this month, they can't give him a 72 hr eviction. The best thing they could do would be to give BOTH of us a 30 day eviction, since we're both on the rental agreement, and then just re-rent to me. But the eviction would be on my record, not to mention that the new roommate scheduled to move in might be peeved at having to wait another month.

ARGH. I'm losing my mind. I need hugs.

[/bitch]

*hugs* *hugs* *hugs*
Hope it all turns out well in the end!

 

[Chicklet]

I'm sure eventually everything will straighten itself out, but right now I'm losing my mind. And possibly some hair. Maybe I'll get lucky and the hair *down there* will magically fall out and I won't need to shave anymore

 

[chris9]

I'm sure eventually everything will straighten itself out, but right now I'm losing my mind. And possibly some hair. Maybe I'll get lucky and the hair *down there* will magically fall out and I won't need to shave anymore

Good luck on that And if it works, please tell me so. Then I will go and look for some trouble

 

[FurryFury]

[bitch]

Okay, I have a new roommate scheduled to move in on the first, and now that it's the 25th the old roommate just informed me that he's refusing to move out. He still hasn't paid November's rent, owes $150 for late/nsf check fees for October, and I need to send rent in right away for next month, which I doubt he's going to be paying me. The phone got disconnected because I'd been giving him cash for the bills, and the electric bill is $300 (again with giving him cash, i wasn't aware of what he was doing with the cash until this month). I talked to my landlords, but because I actually paid rent this month, they can't give him a 72 hr eviction. The best thing they could do would be to give BOTH of us a 30 day eviction, since we're both on the rental agreement, and then just re-rent to me. But the eviction would be on my record, not to mention that the new roommate scheduled to move in might be peeved at having to wait another month.

ARGH. I'm losing my mind. I need hugs.

[/bitch]

*HUGS and HUGS*

Sounds bad! I'm so sorry!

Fury

 

[brioche]

I just found out I have to redo my report cards, and i'm sick to boot.
This truly sucks.
And it's cold here because the furnace stopped working spontaneously. Strangely enough it was fixed by turning it on and off.
I think I'm taking Monday off.

 

[FurryFury]

I just found out I have to redo my report cards, and i'm sick to boot.
This truly sucks.
And it's cold here because the furnace stopped working spontaneously. Strangely enough it was fixed by turning it on and off.
I think I'm taking Monday off.

Wow! That does suck.

I'm so sorry!

*brings blankets and space heaters, is careful to keep the two things away from one another, gives hugs*

Fury

 

[DVS]

[bitch]

Okay, I have a new roommate scheduled to move in on the first, and now that it's the 25th the old roommate just informed me that he's refusing to move out. He still hasn't paid November's rent, owes $150 for late/nsf check fees for October, and I need to send rent in right away for next month, which I doubt he's going to be paying me. The phone got disconnected because I'd been giving him cash for the bills, and the electric bill is $300 (again with giving him cash, i wasn't aware of what he was doing with the cash until this month). I talked to my landlords, but because I actually paid rent this month, they can't give him a 72 hr eviction. The best thing they could do would be to give BOTH of us a 30 day eviction, since we're both on the rental agreement, and then just re-rent to me. But the eviction would be on my record, not to mention that the new roommate scheduled to move in might be peeved at having to wait another month.

ARGH. I'm losing my mind. I need hugs.

[/bitch]

It sounds like you've developed a small bond with the landlord, and you both are pretty much on the same side in this. The landlord wants money coming in without problems, and you want the same, with a roommate you can trust to pull his part of that.

This guy hasn't paid November's rent, and he owes for Some of October's issues, besides? Have you talked to this landlord about possible things that he knows of that you could do to evict this guy for lack of payment? It seems to me that he has almost put himself out on the street by not paying his fair share of the rent in due course.

Of course, someone can't be evicted without a written notice of intent and that is usually a 30-day thing. But, legally, if he then doesn't come up with every back dollar of what he owes, you can send him packing.

Surely, there are some lawyers on this forum who could give you advice about the legal steps you need to take for this dead beat. It shouldn't be your responsibility to carry this burden, as he is an adult and should be fully capable to carry his share as a responsible party.

I'd guess you might have to get the utilities changed over to your name only, so he has no leverage in that area. That might force you to pay some charges up front, but at least you would know the bills are getting paid. And, that should be a good way for you to prove he is not trustworthy, if you can prove you paid for the bills that he didn't pay.

Documentation is the key in dealing with dead beats like this. If you ever give someone cash for your share of something, a document should be written up that this money changed hands with the date and the bill you intended it to be used for, etc. If nothing like this is created, all he has to say is he never received any money from you. It's his word against yours.

I'm not a lawyer and am only thinking common sense in this. You should check with a lawyer or maybe your landlord about the possible steps you could take with this guy, in the hopes you could send him packing because of his inability to pay his bills. If you ask me, he's well on his way of being 30 days delinquent now, if someone has written documentation that says if payment isn't received by a certain date, he's history.

If you don't make much or can show where you are in a certain income bracket because of college or childcare needs, maybe there is a local legal aid office that could help you for free. They might at least be able to give you advice. For them, this shouldn’t be rocket science.

Be sure you let the new room mate know what's going on so they can stay where they are for another month, if necessary. But, be sure you think of all possible situations. Think of the situation this person is leaving from. They must give a certain amount of notice, too.

And, learn from this. Good roommates are created with good legal documents. If you don't know someone, you really don't know their history with bill paying. And, what you don't know about them could ruin your credit standing, down the road. Any time money changes hands, a simple document should be signed between the two parties stating your intent for that money. With a check, that's what the memo line is for.

But, if you pay someone in cash, you are treading on thin legal ice unless there is a paper trail that you gave someone that cash. If you are sharing expenses with someone, one of you should play the part of landlord, having everything in that person's name. The other person should get receipts (with a carbon kept by the receiver) for any money given that's intended for bills.

I know it's crap, but you both will feel better knowing this documentation is there, just in case. And, neither of you should be concerned about it, as long as you intend on paying your bills when they come due. It doesn't have to be much, but just something that shows money changed hands between the two of you. There are cash receipt forms like this available...in office supply stores, I think.

I know it's kind of a juggling act, dealing with this guy and his lack of responsibility, but that's because you don't know what you should do. What you don't know is helping him and it's hurting you. You will feel a lot better and stand on stronger legal ground if you just talk to someone who knows these things.

You need to know where you do stand and what you need to do next to force him to vacate your life. Once you understand what is legally necessary to keep people honest, that stress level you’re under now starts to melt, too.


EDITED-God, I can't spell when I'm thinking! I can't walk and chew gum at the same time, either!

 

[graceanne]

my sister had a problem of a roommate not paying rent. Landlords can do an eviction of one person. I'm not sure how they do it, but they served just her roommate with eviction papers.

 

[Chicklet]

It sounds like you've developed a small bond with the landlord, and you both are pretty much on the same side in this.

The landlady and landlord are the same couple who own the building that I work in, that's how I got hooked up with this apartment. We communicate nearly every day for some reason or another, if for no other reason than because my restaurant makes tasty coffee and their office is right above it.

This guy hasn't paid November's rent, and he owes for Some of October's issues, besides? Have you talked to this landlord about possible things that he knows of that you could do to evict this guy for lack of payment? It seems to me that he has almost put himself out on the street by not paying his fair share of the rent in due course.

On the 5th, when I paid this months rent out of my own pocket, as well as taking care of the late fees that my landlords were owed from last month, I let the two of them in on the fact that I planned to kick Chris out by the end of the month due to his failure at coming up with money. They approved, wished me luck, and went away. The problem with my situation is that the rental agreement is in both Chris and my name. The landlord/landlady could give a 72 hour eviction notice if rent wasn't paid, but it would be for both Chris and me. I paid rent, though, so the only notice they could give us would be a 30 day notice, and as I mentioned originally, they'd have to evict both of us. There's no such thing in Oregon as a forced eviction of one occupant when both are on the rental agreement.

But, legally, if he then doesn't come up with every back dollar of what he owes, you can send him packing.

What I did when he failed to come up with rent this month was write out (by hand, I don't have a printer) a notice of my own, telling him that if he hadn't come up with the money owed by the end of the week, he'd need to be out by that Friday. If he did come up with it, he'd still have to be out by the first. I went on to say that if he didn't come up with his share of bills, rent, and fees owed by the end of 2005, I would go ahead and take my claim to small claims court and get his wages docked or whatnot to get my money back. I'm too poor to play games. I don't have the funds to cover someone's ass, including my own, in this situation.

So, he talked to me, pleaded with me to give him more time because he simply didn't have anywhere to go, and I agreed. I told him, and wrote another note to put it down in writing, that he HAD to be out by the first, and I would be showing his room to other people. He acknowledged it, and then when I told him a few days later that I'd accepted a new roommate, he acknowledged that, too.

My new roommate filled out an official application, and we turned it into my landlords together. They've acknowledged that the new roommie will be moving in on the first, and have the paperwork ready for him to become my new co-renter.

The problem arose when I gave Chris a VERY generous (in my opinion) offer last week, after he told me he still didn't have anywhere to go. I said that if he could get his stuff out of his room and into storage, he could sleep on the couch for another week until he found a place. At this point, he FLIPPED out at me, started screaming, calling me names, throwing things, and told me he REFUSES to move out.

It shouldn't be your respoinsibility to carry this burden as he is an adult and should be fully capible to carry his share as a responsible party.

The way I see it is that this is either his problem, or my problem. I consider it my problem, because *I* don't want to be homeless. As *my* problem, *I* will solve it. My plans to solve it didn't go much further than kicking him out and moving someone more responsible in, unfortunately. But it *is* my burden, because there's not really anything I can do to force him to pay me. And legally, the landlords don't need to worry about which of us the money for rent came from, so long as it came.

I'd guess you might have to get the utilities changed over to your name only, so he has no leverage in that area.

Done and done. I shrugged off the phone bill, bought my first cell-phone, and changed the electricity over to my name as of Dec. 1st.

Documentation is the key in dealling with dead beats like this.

I know. Documentation is always fantastic. I had notes and such written out, spreadsheets of payments made, but all by hand, since I don't have a printer. Since arguing with me, Chris took the documents (which I had on the fridge for both our benefits) and I haven't seen them since.

This is so frustrating for me. I do know my legal rights, and they're slim. I'm trying to take care of my problems, but without money there's only so much I can do, do you know what I mean? I am down to my last $20, with rent due in five more days.

Thank you all for your words.

 

[Chicklet]

my sister had a problem of a roommate not paying rent. Landlords can do an eviction of one person. I'm not sure how they do it, but they served just her roommate with eviction papers.

I've talked to my landlords at length about this. There's nothing they can do to just him. Perhaps your sister had a different type of rental agreement than I did = (

 

[DVS]

The landlady and landlord are the same couple who own the building that I work in, that's how I got hooked up with this apartment. We communicate nearly every day for some reason or another, if for no other reason than because my restaurant makes tasty coffee and their office is right above it.



On the 5th, when I paid this months rent out of my own pocket, as well as taking care of the late fees that my landlords were owed from last month, I let the two of them in on the fact that I planned to kick Chris out by the end of the month due to his failure at coming up with money. They approved, wished me luck, and went away. The problem with my situation is that the rental agreement is in both Chris and my name. The landlord/landlady could give a 72 hour eviction notice if rent wasn't paid, but it would be for both Chris and me. I paid rent, though, so the only notice they could give us would be a 30 day notice, and as I mentioned originally, they'd have to evict both of us. There's no such thing in Oregon as a forced eviction of one occupant when both are on the rental agreement.



What I did when he failed to come up with rent this month was write out (by hand, I don't have a printer) a notice of my own, telling him that if he hadn't come up with the money owed by the end of the week, he'd need to be out by that Friday. If he did come up with it, he'd still have to be out by the first. I went on to say that if he didn't come up with his share of bills, rent, and fees owed by the end of 2005, I would go ahead and take my claim to small claims court and get his wages docked or whatnot to get my money back. I'm too poor to play games. I don't have the funds to cover someone's ass, including my own, in this situation.

So, he talked to me, pleaded with me to give him more time because he simply didn't have anywhere to go, and I agreed. I told him, and wrote another note to put it down in writing, that he HAD to be out by the first, and I would be showing his room to other people. He acknowledged it, and then when I told him a few days later that I'd accepted a new roommate, he acknowledged that, too.

My new roommate filled out an official application, and we turned it into my landlords together. They've acknowledged that the new roommie will be moving in on the first, and have the paperwork ready for him to become my new co-renter.

The problem arose when I gave Chris a VERY generous (in my opinion) offer last week, after he told me he still didn't have anywhere to go. I said that if he could get his stuff out of his room and into storage, he could sleep on the couch for another week until he found a place. At this point, he FLIPPED out at me, started screaming, calling me names, throwing things, and told me he REFUSES to move out.



The way I see it is that this is either his problem, or my problem. I consider it my problem, because *I* don't want to be homeless. As *my* problem, *I* will solve it. My plans to solve it didn't go much further than kicking him out and moving someone more responsible in, unfortunately. But it *is* my burden, because there's not really anything I can do to force him to pay me. And legally, the landlords don't need to worry about which of us the money for rent came from, so long as it came.



Done and done. I shrugged off the phone bill, bought my first cell-phone, and changed the electricity over to my name as of Dec. 1st.



I know. Documentation is always fantastic. I had notes and such written out, spreadsheets of payments made, but all by hand, since I don't have a printer. Since arguing with me, Chris took the documents (which I had on the fridge for both our benefits) and I haven't seen them since.

This is so frustrating for me. I do know my legal rights, and they're slim. I'm trying to take care of my problems, but without money there's only so much I can do, do you know what I mean? I am down to my last $20, with rent due in five more days.

Thank you all for your words.

I really hate people like this. You have to think like he does so you can be at least one step ahead of him. All he has to do is be himself...a low life creep who knows the laws are in his favor, if he can play the "I have nowhere else to go" card long enough.

What you have done is good. You're on the right track. But, you didn't stand firm with him at one point and allowed him the upper hand. You can't always be the nice person in these situations. Just because you have a kind heart don't let him play that against you.

If he's going to be ranting and throwing fits, make sure someone else is around, when you talk to him from now on. Not only for your safety, but also to show he's being the ass he is. And if he's smart, he'll stop doing that. Any fits or rants between you two is only hearsay, but if there is another party present to witness these rants, you could have more legal leverage if he's found to be potentially violent, too.

Bottom line...stick to your guns. When dealing with him, don't think so much about his situation, but of yours. He's playing your good nature against you. He's made his bed, so to speak. Make him lay in it...not you.

 

[graceanne]

I've talked to my landlords at length about this. There's nothing they can do to just him. Perhaps your sister had a different type of rental agreement than I did = (

Have you contacted legal aid? It takes a while, but it's legal aid for people who can't afford a lawyer. The number is (503) 621-3317. Good luck.

 

[Kierae]

I am an evil bitch - I would have the locks changed and his shit in garbage bags outside the front door the moment he walked out the door for any length of time. He may be on the rental agreement but hasn't paid the rent - your landlord has approved the new renter which means they rewrite the lease for you and the new roomie. Let the jerk make a loud scene outside the door, call the cops and let him have a comfy 3 hotsand a cot at the local jail if he wants to get nasty.

Good luck Chicklet - the holiday times don't need anymore stress than they already come with.

 

[Red Sonja]

Chicklet:

Is there any chance that he's done something else illegal? Like making you fearful? If he's been throwing stuff... sounds like a protection order might well be in order. In the order you could get the judge to order him out of the place because he is causing you to fear for your safety. You can usually get a temporary order for nothing because a) there are affidavits of indigency that you can fill out, and b) the clerks at the courthouses are able to help you fill it out. The temporary order lasts until you have a permanent hearing, but in a case like this... that may be all you need.

Then he can come with officers to get his crap.

If he's been doing anything else in violation of the lease terms, such as illegal drugs, the landlords can remove him and not you.

These are just my thoughs, and I'm not in your shoes or your state... so... this isn't "legal" advice per se.

 

[brioche]

This is taking forever! I can't believe I have to do report cards twice. I am SO taking Monday off.

Why is the Board so quiet? Cause of your Thanksgiving?

 

[graceanne]

I was napping.

Then I was talking to my slut sister in law. Evidently it's inappropriate to talk about nipple peircing with 14 year olds. You can let them watch movies with sex in them, but nipple piercing are not ok.

Bitch. The truth is that they don't have anything to gossip about to eachother about me anymore. I keep my house clean, etc. So they gotta find something to bitch about. The fucking hypocrites. She sure didn't mind leaving her kids with me back when she was boning everyone in pants.

 

[brioche]

I was napping.

Then I was talking to my slut sister in law. Evidently it's inappropriate to talk about nipple peircing with 14 year olds. You can let them watch movies with sex in them, but nipple piercing are not ok.

Bitch. The truth is that they don't have anything to gossip about to eachother about me anymore. I keep my house clean, etc. So they gotta find something to bitch about. The fucking hypocrites. She sure didn't mind leaving her kids with me back when she was boning everyone in pants.

She's mad because you show her up for the incompetent she is. So she tries to find fault with you.

 

[graceanne]

She's mad because you show her up for the incompetent she is. So she tries to find fault with you.

She's like that with everyone. She's one of those women who have no friends outside of her SO cause she's not only snobby, but she has so little reason to BE snobby.

 

[brioche]

She's like that with everyone. She's one of those women who have no friends outside of her SO cause she's not only snobby, but she has so little reason to BE snobby.

I know people like that. it's sad.

I am now a third of the way through my report cards. Or less. Now I have to decide if I want to go to church and the movie I planned to go to tomorrow and take a sick day off Monday to finish them up, or work all weekend to finish them. Since I set up the classroom for a supply, I'm leaning toward the former. I put my life on hold one weekend for them, but I don't see why I should have to do it twice.
Any opinions? I mean, i'm going to lose these sick days at the end of the year anyway.

 

[graceanne]

I know people like that. it's sad.

I am now a third of the way through my report cards. Or less. Now I have to decide if I want to go to church and the movie I planned to go to tomorrow and take a sick day off Monday to finish them up, or work all weekend to finish them. Since I set up the classroom for a supply, I'm leaning toward the former. I put my life on hold one weekend for them, but I don't see why I should have to do it twice.
Any opinions? I mean, i'm going to lose these sick days at the end of the year anyway.

I say take a sick day. You get weekends for a reason - you need a break from school.

Think of it this way - you'll be a better teacher if you take care of yourself. All work and no play makes *brioche* a dull girl.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Getting rid of dead-beat roomies...

..... The problem with my situation is that the rental agreement is in both Chris and my name. The landlord/landlady could give a 72 hour eviction notice if rent wasn't paid, but it would be for both Chris and me. I paid rent, though, so the only notice they could give us would be a 30 day notice, and as I mentioned originally, they'd have to evict both of us. There's no such thing in Oregon as a forced eviction of one occupant when both are on the rental agreement.

....

Chicklet, that may be true. HOWEVER, the landlord could turn right around and agree to rent the apartment back to you _alone_.

So talk it over with the landlord. Get evicted, show asshat the paperwork (and door), pack asshats stuff and toss it out for him. Then if he creates problems, show the local law enforcement the paperwork for the eviction, and your new lease agreement sans asshat. He's on the street, you aren't.

Ding-ding! *grins*

I'm evil like that...

 

[graceanne]

Chicklet, that may be true. HOWEVER, the landlord could turn right around and agree to rent the apartment back to you _alone_.

So talk it over with the landlord. Get evicted, show asshat the paperwork (and door), pack asshats stuff and toss it out for him. Then if he creates problems, show the local law enforcement the paperwork for the eviction, and your new lease agreement sans asshat. He's on the street, you aren't.

Ding-ding! *grins*

I'm evil like that...

In Oregon evictions go through the court and are permenantly on your record. It's nearly impossible to get a rental for three - five years after that.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

In Oregon evictions go through the court and are permenantly on your record. It's nearly impossible to get a rental for three - five years after that.

Which is why I suggested discussing it with the landlord _beforehand_ as a possible tactic to get rid of asshat. I would NOT recommend just letting the landlord evict Chicklet, then have Chicklet begging landlord to let her back in. And I wouldn't go through it without that already signed new lease agreement in hand.

It's a matter of having a good relationship with the landlord and using the laws and procedures to best effect.

Yes, the eviction would stay on the credit or court records. However, if you aren't planning on re-locating for a while, no harm, no foul. And if you did move, having an immediate re-lease agreement with the same landlord would go a long way towards verifying the explanation about "Why was I evicted? To get rid of a dead-beat roomate. My landlord realized this and worked with me to get rid of the putz."

Maybe it would work in Oregon, maybe not. Here in SC, about 4 years ago, I had a landlord agree to do exactly that if I couldn't get the deadbeat out on my own. _I_ told the deadbeat that I wasn't going to room with him any more, that he could stay if he wanted but I had not paid the last month's rent and had told the landlord to evict us... And I started bringing boxes home and packing. A week later deadbeat was gone! *grins and shrugs*

So I didn't have to go through the formal eviction process/renew the lease with just me on the paperwork. But the landlord had been willing to do just that because I had explained the situation with him and he liked having me as a tenant.

It can't hurt to _talk_ to the landlord about doing that and finding out if it's possible. The _threat_ of it may be enough to get asshat outta Chicklet's apartment, and that is the goal here.

Yes... I really can be evil at times.

 

[Chicklet]

I am an evil bitch - I would have the locks changed and his shit in garbage bags outside the front door the moment he walked out the door for any length of time.

He could turn around and sue me for locking him out of his house. I've already discussed it, and have someone on hand who can change the locks any time I need.

Chicklet, that may be true. HOWEVER, the landlord could turn right around and agree to rent the apartment back to you _alone_.

See, that's what my landlord and I were discussing *BUT* that leaves an eviction history on my rental record. I don't think that that's worth it... = \ - EVEN IF my landlords agree. Like I said, the landlords and I have discussed this at length. And I don't really want to stay here very long, it's sort of a slum But I can't afford to move, yet, either. Maybe your landlord was just nicer than mine = (

 

[Chicklet]

New bitch, same subject. He was in my room today while I was at work. Shuffling through my things. God only knows what for. Nothing's missing that I can tell.