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that's right, marquis de sade. i've been reading a copy of "120 days of sodom" that He lent me, and i just have to say wow. have any of you guys read any of sade's work?
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James G 5 said:Uhm
I beg to disagree
There's another name that's right up there with the Marquis
Time to give the "other side" equal time, with "Venus in Furs" by Leopold von Sader-Masoch
I hate to be so picky in this thread, but his name is Sacher-Masoch.
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James G 5 said:That's what I get for never learning to type & posting too late to remeber to spell check
I fixed it
psst you need a subbie secretary
But I must say, those works are and have been on my reading list for a while. I just haven't gotten around to obtaining them yet... and my not for a while. *sigh*
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I've read Justine, Julliette and 120 days.
I too skipped the philosophy.
Most of the "good" parts were too gruesome for my tastes. Some were okay but all the non-consent and snuff really turned me off.
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I too skipped the philosophy.
Most of the "good" parts were too gruesome for my tastes. Some were okay but all the non-consent and snuff really turned me off.
-Vv
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egads, i don't think I could get through DeSade without some non-consent bits. I love his over the top linguistic hysteronics too, though.
"Imperious, choleric, irascible, extreme in everything, with a dissolute imagination the like of which has never been seen, atheistic to the point of fanaticism, there you have me in a nutshell, and kill me again or take me as I am, for I shall not change." from the Last Will and Testament
I mean come on. Anyway, the eloquence is part of the fun in reading him.
I know that Risia had a big thread about him somewhere in this forum, bunny.
"Imperious, choleric, irascible, extreme in everything, with a dissolute imagination the like of which has never been seen, atheistic to the point of fanaticism, there you have me in a nutshell, and kill me again or take me as I am, for I shall not change." from the Last Will and Testament
I mean come on. Anyway, the eloquence is part of the fun in reading him.
I know that Risia had a big thread about him somewhere in this forum, bunny.
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there is definiatly an entertainment value to sade's tongue in cheek humor and pseudo-modest approach to the whole world of debauchory. i'm torn between laughing, shuddering, and twisting up my face in what i'm sure are amusing looks of shock and disgust. a great deal of it is way "over the top", but there's something about the mentality involved that just gets me right here.
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I've been looking over Juliette, all thousand pages, for a while now.
It would be too bad to skip the philosophy, though the man does go on.
The "Philosophy in the Boudoir" is rather interesting in being brief and in defending the legitimacy of incest, for instance. The idea of repealing laws against murder, rape, etc. is very intriguing.
(leave matters in private hands, as it were).
If there are others who want to talk, I'd be interested.
Note: an excellent and readable book of his bio is "At home with the Marquis de Sade" which is readily available and sympathetic.
It brings out a crucial point: The philosophy of Sade cannot simply be 'read' from his character's speeches. They are in novels. Sade did have a real life, and even the opportunity to have persons executed, which you might think would have vastly entertained him. Not so.
An important statement of his is "I am a libertine, not a murderer or a criminal."
Risia S drew my attention to the fine book of M Henaff "Sade, the invention of the libertine body." A literary and philosophical analysis based on 'structuralist' principles.
J.
It would be too bad to skip the philosophy, though the man does go on.
The "Philosophy in the Boudoir" is rather interesting in being brief and in defending the legitimacy of incest, for instance. The idea of repealing laws against murder, rape, etc. is very intriguing.
(leave matters in private hands, as it were).
If there are others who want to talk, I'd be interested.
Note: an excellent and readable book of his bio is "At home with the Marquis de Sade" which is readily available and sympathetic.
It brings out a crucial point: The philosophy of Sade cannot simply be 'read' from his character's speeches. They are in novels. Sade did have a real life, and even the opportunity to have persons executed, which you might think would have vastly entertained him. Not so.
An important statement of his is "I am a libertine, not a murderer or a criminal."
Risia S drew my attention to the fine book of M Henaff "Sade, the invention of the libertine body." A literary and philosophical analysis based on 'structuralist' principles.
J.
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Well, here (in a belated attempt to save my librarian face) is a link to a thread that Risia started on a similar subject:
S&M before de Sade...the rebel academic speaks begun by RisiaSkye on 05-18-2002
S&M before de Sade...the rebel academic speaks begun by RisiaSkye on 05-18-2002
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A couple quick questions of readers of this Sade thread.
He espoused 'libertinism' first and foremost; whipping, etc. is just one little game.
How many consider themselves libertines, that is devote(e)s of debauchery? You want a lot of sex and other sensual indulgences, though you like a little 'style.' Some would say you're a male/female 'slut'; or more delicately, you're 'loose' in the area of (sex) morals. You go for all kinds of varieties with all kinds of (legal) partners. The only limit is that you want to be around for more, in a day, or in a year. Moderation, even safety, is only to enable continued excess. Probably you score high on the 'slut' test at the spark.
I'm not sure if a monogamously married person could be one, but if you do your best at sexual overindulgence with your SO, let's count that.
Sade especially emphasized 'free thought' and indeed 'libertine' originally was applied more to 'free thinkers'; which is to say, those who question established religion and custom, and indeed thumb their nose at it or twist its tail. Sade, of course, was an outspoken atheist, most of the time.
Any sensual types out there who specifically enjoy flouting religious rites or general customs (say, of decency)? Does religious profanity add to your sexual encounters? Would fucking in a deserted church, right at the altar, have a special pizzazz? Seducing a priest or nun? Would you get off on an act of 'public indecency (if caught)?
He espoused 'libertinism' first and foremost; whipping, etc. is just one little game.
How many consider themselves libertines, that is devote(e)s of debauchery? You want a lot of sex and other sensual indulgences, though you like a little 'style.' Some would say you're a male/female 'slut'; or more delicately, you're 'loose' in the area of (sex) morals. You go for all kinds of varieties with all kinds of (legal) partners. The only limit is that you want to be around for more, in a day, or in a year. Moderation, even safety, is only to enable continued excess. Probably you score high on the 'slut' test at the spark.
I'm not sure if a monogamously married person could be one, but if you do your best at sexual overindulgence with your SO, let's count that.
Sade especially emphasized 'free thought' and indeed 'libertine' originally was applied more to 'free thinkers'; which is to say, those who question established religion and custom, and indeed thumb their nose at it or twist its tail. Sade, of course, was an outspoken atheist, most of the time.
Any sensual types out there who specifically enjoy flouting religious rites or general customs (say, of decency)? Does religious profanity add to your sexual encounters? Would fucking in a deserted church, right at the altar, have a special pizzazz? Seducing a priest or nun? Would you get off on an act of 'public indecency (if caught)?
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