The "Art of War" and Badminton

[ChinaBandit]

Should the Chinese be punished for deliberately trying to lose a match in order to be in a better position to win a medal later on? Absolutely not! It is totally consistent with Chinese culture and is a modern day application of 孙武 Sun Wu's theory about winning war. Of course, products of the Occident will wimper and complain about it.　

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Why did they bother to pretend to play the game?

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Hold your friends close and the shuttlecock closer.


I don't think my cock has ever been on a shuttle.


Certainly not the space shuttle.


Too much teepee livin', and too many cigars . . . .

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The inscrutable red bastages have to be smart enough to fake some sort of minor injury...




Check out pictures of the Nelson-Atkins Art Museum in KCMO...

Giant shuttlecocks on the lawn.

 

[Liar]

Culture schmulture.

It is consistent with the rules and the scoring system that was set up. If the IOC or whoever is in charge don't want it, it's their fault for creating the incentive.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

It may be time to Google the pic of that guy walking the giant rooster on a leash.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Man, the small variety can be mean enough...



Why the hell would you go anywhere near a giant one?

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Is it me, or does her torso look the head of an alien???

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I hope the hell she sued her plastic surgeon...



:nods:

(But, she now has room for that ever-popular third busybody.)

 

[Wat_Tyler]

She could do four of a kind . . .


or a full house, with a little planning.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

She might want to, er, fold like a Chinese badminton player...

 

[fair_warning]

Culture schmulture.

It is consistent with the rules and the scoring system that was set up. If the IOC or whoever is in charge don't want it, it's their fault for creating the incentive.

Yeah, yeah and hmmm. You're right, I see the logic of your post BUT:
We (that's me and some others) expect competition at Olympic level to have moved beyond strategy to the purest form of competition.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yeah, yeah and hmmm. You're right, I see the logic of your post BUT:
We (that's me and some others) expect competition at Olympic level to have moved beyond strategy to the purest form of competition.

That illusion was shattered when they allowed the Capitalist countries to insert their pros to keep pace with the state sponsored athletes of the Communist nations...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Should the Chinese be punished for deliberately trying to lose a match in order to be in a better position to win a medal later on? Absolutely not! It is totally consistent with Chinese culture and is a modern day application of 孙武 Sun Wu's theory about winning war. Of course, products of the Occident will wimper and complain about it.　

The Olympics is fast becoming a beauty pageant where the winners are picked before the competition starts. If this is what viewers want, its what viewers will get.

 

[ChinaBandit]

Culture schmulture.

It is consistent with the rules and the scoring system that was set up. If the IOC or whoever is in charge don't want it, it's their fault for creating the incentive.

Exactly, it's the IOC's fault for structuring the tournament in such a way that this stragagem, which is as older than the written Art of War itself, could be followed. Those following it to the ultimate advantage, which is winning, should not be criticized or punished.

 

[fair_warning]

Exactly, it's the IOC's fault for structuring the tournament in such a way that this stragagem, which is as older than the written Art of War itself, could be followed. Those following it to the ultimate advantage, which is winning, should not be criticized or punished.

Yeah, yeah. See my post above. But ultimately, using tactics or strategy within the Olympic competition that result in a medal, reduces the value of that medal.

 

[ivantheterrible]

it's a "sport"? jeez, next thing they'll have golf introduced for competition.

 

[ivantheterrible]

Is it me, or does her torso look the head of an alien???

i wonder if she's gotten used to being laughed at while getting fucked?

 

[phrodeau]

Exactly, it's the IOC's fault for structuring the tournament in such a way that this stragagem, which is as older than the written Art of War itself, could be followed. Those following it to the ultimate advantage, which is winning, should not be criticized or punished.

But that stratagem fails, because they have become disqualified. One of them even got a warning, but proceeded anyway. They deserve to lose.

 

[mark_j]

Yeah, yeah. See my post above. But ultimately, using tactics or strategy within the Olympic competition that result in a medal, reduces the value of that medal.

Not really, when the tournament is set up in such a way to allow it. It should work as a single elimination deal.. One loss and you are out of the hunt for gold. The idea of allowing a team to sandbag as part of a stratagem and still be able to win gold or silver is counterproductive in my opinion.

 

[ChinaBandit]

Bump!

 

[Wat_Tyler]

i wonder if she's gotten used to being laughed at while getting fucked?

She probably doesn't get first pick, so if she's lucky, he'll be too grateful to laugh.

 

[ChinaBandit]

But that stratagem fails, because they have become disqualified. One of them even got a warning, but proceeded anyway. They deserve to lose.

I disagree.

I don't think it is right that they got disqualified.

The premise for having done so is that one must produce their best effort because every match is important. Well, that's not true. We already know that by design winning every badmintion match in this Olympics isn't important.

One can easily equate the situation to a playoff bound baseball team that rests players and alters their pitching rotation at the end of the regular season. No one questions when "Bob Blob from Double A Tacoma" gets the start instead of the staff Ace who is being set up to pitch multiple games in the first playoff series if need be. The point being is that "Bob Blob's" game is, in fact, meaningless and his team isn't trying their best to win it. The point is all the more reinforced when 5 out of 8 other regulars happen to get that "day off." I submit to you that's not putting best effort forward to win.

The same stuff happens in basketball, football and hockey. These are the Pros. Why should the Ams be any different?

The solution for the Olympic lies in changing the badmintion rules to reward teams that keep winning.

 

[phrodeau]

I disagree.

I don't think it is right that they got disqualified.

The premise for having done so is that one must produce their best effort because every match is important. Well, that's not true. We already know that by design winning every badmintion match in this Olympics isn't important.

One can easily equate the situation to a playoff bound baseball team that rests players and alters their pitching rotation at the end of the regular season. No one questions when "Bob Blob from Double A Tacoma" gets the start instead of the staff Ace who is being set up to pitch multiple games in the first playoff series if need be. The point being is that "Bob Blob's" game is, in fact, meaningless and his team isn't trying their best to win it. The point is all the more reinforced when 5 out of 8 other regulars happen to get that "day off." I submit to you that's not putting best effort forward to win.

The same stuff happens in basketball, football and hockey. These are the Pros. Why should the Ams be any different?

The solution for the Olympic lies in changing the badmintion rules to reward teams that keep winning.

Maybe, but the rules the teams agreed to play by are the rules that disqualified them. They don't get to break a rule everyone else abides by, just because they want to.

 

[ChinaBandit]

Maybe, but the rules the teams agreed to play by are the rules that disqualified them. They don't get to break a rule everyone else abides by, just because they want to.

The more I've read, the more clear it has become that this is done in badminton all the time.

If there is fault, it lies in A) the rules for seeding B) Failure by the disqualified parties to "fake it" better in these Olympics.

You know, in the same manner NBA teams positioning themselves for the Draft Lottery "fake it" game-in and game-out.