The AH person I would most like to meet IRL is…

[onehitwanda]

It would be fascinating to sit down with Laurel and Manu and get the inside scoop on this place. They've been running it for 25 years but it's still a bit mysterious how they do it.

They tread lightly and carry a big stick.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

It would be fascinating to sit down with Laurel and Manu and get the inside scoop on this place. They've been running it for 25 years but it's still a bit mysterious how they do it.

She's probably meet us with shotgun in hand, mumbling about "they better not ask nothing about a story submission or sweeps, so help me..."

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

I had dinner last night with the real Mary Wollstonecraft and her daughter Mary Shelly. We talked about writing, how awful most men are, the weather in England. We chatted about giving birth to children and stories. We laughed, we cried, and then I woke up.

 

[madelinemasoch]

I had dinner last night with the real Mary Wollstonecraft and her daughter Mary Shelly. We talked about writing, how awful most men are, the weather in England. We chatted about giving birth to children and stories. We laughed, we cried, and then I woke up.

Did you ask her why her only conception of female sexual power is as an object?

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Did you ask her why her only conception of female sexual power is as an object?

Actually, I think you missed Mary's outlook. In her own words...

One cause of this barren blooming I attribute to a false system of education, gathered from the books written on this subject by men who, considering females rather as women than human creature, have been more anxious to make them alluring mistresses than affectionate wives and rational mothers; and the understanding of the sex has been so bubbled by this specious homage, that the civilized woman of the present century, with a few exceptions, are only anxious to inspire love, when they ought to cherish a nobler ambition, and by their abilities and virtues exact respect.

 

[madelinemasoch]

"they ought to cherish a nobler ambition, and by their abilities and virtues exact respect." That's not exactly sexual power, is it? She wants women to cultivate a virtue of a different kind, because her only conception of female sexuality is one in service to men–and she doesn't want women to be in service to men, so in that way, she's lacking.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

"they ought to cherish a nobler ambition, and by their abilities and virtues exact respect." That's not exactly sexual power, is it? She wants women to cultivate a virtue of a different kind, because her only conception of female sexuality is one in service to men–and she doesn't want women to be in service to men, so in that way, she's lacking.

She's arguing for equal rights, you concentrating on sexual freedom at time when women didn't own property if they were married. Couldn't sign contracts, couldn't get an education. Your equating the literal slavery of every woman to a sexual thing and disregarding every other aspect. She was looking at overthrowing the patriarchal society and you're talking about one thing only, sex!

What you're saying is, if we can be the master in the bedroom, well you can own us otherwise. That's not not an argument I'd get behind. Good god, men could beat a wife half to death and nothing would be done about it. Because she belonged to him. I'd say what you're suggesting isn't relevant to the 18th and early 19th centuries.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

I exchanged a lot of words with StickyGirl in her early days on Lit; I would be pleased to meet her in person. I would have been honored to have met Ogg before he passed away. And there are so many others, past and present, I'd like to meet, that I couldn't possibly pick just one.

 

[madelinemasoch]

What you're saying is, if we can be the master in the bedroom, well you can own us otherwise.

I never said that, and I don't believe it. I'm also not a man.

The context may account for this blind spot, but not everyone was unaware of what I am actually saying back in those former centuries. Leopold von Sacher-Masoch was 19th century.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Calm down, Mary. This is a sex site, most people are her for the erotic stories.

She's arguing for equal rights, you concentrating on sexual freedom at time when women didn't own property if they were married. Couldn't sign contracts, couldn't get an education. Your equating the literal slavery of every woman to a sexual thing and disregarding every other aspect. She was looking at overthrowing the patriarchal society and you're talking about one thing only, sex!

What you're saying is, if we can be the master in the bedroom, well you can own us otherwise. That's not not an argument I'd get behind. Good god, men could beat a wife half to death and nothing would be done about it. Because she belonged to him. I'd say what you're suggesting isn't relevant to the 18th and early 19th centuries.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

I never said that, and I don't believe it. I'm also not a man.

The context may account for this blind spot, but not everyone was unaware of what I am actually saying back in those former centuries. Leopold von Sacher-Masoch was 19th century.

This is off topic, and this is my last exchange on the subject. Mary Wollstonecraft spent her entire life, brief as it was, fighting for women's rights. That she doesn't speak about dominance and submission isn't all that surprising to me. It can be inferred if you're free, you're free to pick how you want to have sex.

 

[lovecraft68]

I too have been curious about Laurel. I've found Lovecraft interesting over the years. CarnEvil, Stickygirl, ElectricBlue. Judging by how most of the threads here are started by EmilyMiller, I bet she's an interesting lil chatterbox. I could've listened to Ogg recant his stories like the grampa he was. And an old member who hasn't(that I know of) been here in a long time, Stella_Omega.

I miss Stella, she was a great poster, a legit member of the old guard, and she would not hesitate to give people shit if they deserved it.

Main reason she left was the site did her dirty

 

[MillieDynamite]

There are literally a dozen or more writers from here I'd love to meet.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

I never said that, and I don't believe it. I'm also not a man.

The context may account for this blind spot, but not everyone was unaware of what I am actually saying back in those former centuries. Leopold von Sacher-Masoch was 19th century.

I made no comment about your sex, sexual preference, or gender in reference to you.

 

[madelinemasoch]

I made no comment about your sex, sexual preference, or gender in reference to you.

"What you're saying is, if we can be the master in the bedroom, well you can own us otherwise."

It can be inferred if you're free, you're free to pick how you want to have sex.

No one is.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

"What you're saying is, if we can be the master in the bedroom, well you can own us otherwise."


No one is.

Like I said, I'm not responding. The you is generic in the second instant and specific to you in the first.

 

[MillieDynamite]

If you guys keep snaping your whips back and forth, they may lock the thread. Agree to disagree, agree to drop it, or ignore one another and move on.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

If you guys keep snaping your whips back and forth, they may lock the thread. Agree to disagree, agree to drop it, or ignore one another and move on.

Yes Ma'am.

 

[lovecraft68]

"What you're saying is, if we can be the master in the bedroom, well you can own us otherwise."


No one is.

You're saying no one is free in general, or just sexually?
In either case can you expound on that theory?

 

[madelinemasoch]

You're saying no one is free in general, or just sexually?
In either case can you expound on that theory?

Well, I don't buy that the freedom to choose is any kind of freedom at all. All of our choices are colored and conditioned by the history of societal structures that have existed since before we were born. That's not to say they shouldn't change, or don't; they do, and they will continue to. In the sense that's most relevant here, I don't think women "freely" choosing to submit to men amounts to any kind of freedom.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Well, I don't buy that the freedom to choose is any kind of freedom at all. All of our choices are colored and conditioned by the history of societal structures that have existed since before we were born. That's not to say they shouldn't change, or don't; they do, and they will continue to. In the sense that's most relevant here, I don't think women "freely" choosing to submit to men amounts to any kind of freedom.

I disagree, there is a freedom in submission. But it has to be what a person wants. My husband and I are equals, in life, in the bedroom, in all our decisions. Sometimes we have little spats, but don't really argue. We don't have a compitition for control, not in the bedroom, the pocketbook, how we raised our son, or anything else.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

Calm down, Mary. This is a sex site, most people are her for the erotic stories.

Ma'am this is a smut Wendy's

I miss Stella, she was a great poster, a legit member of the old guard, and she would not hesitate to give people shit if they deserved it.

Main reason she left was the site did her dirty

Oh damn.