Term Limits

[ShySubSara]

How does anybody here feel about the idea of constitutional convention that is going around?

 

[BotanyBoy]

How does anybody here feel about the idea of constitutional convention that is going around?

LULZ....that's about as likely as CA splitting into 3-5 and TX finally seceding both in the same year.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Corporations are no longer people....no more campaign contributions.

Run for public office? Do it digitally on the public website/TV channel.

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Oh and the job only pays GS5 rates/bennies. No special perks...

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Oh I love corporations are no longer people, I think that's vital. I don't think the no more campaign contributions is plausible. Especially for the Pres. He really does need to go to those places. As it stands in theory a broke bitch could get contributions and run. It never happens but take away contributions and it goes from in theory to utterly impossible.

As sweet as the do it digitally on the public website/TV channel sounds it wouldn't work. One need only go to youtube and see the sheer number of people posting pictures of their cats. Now multiply that by the number of people who would love to be the leader of the free world and realize that to make a quasi-educated vote (I'm not claiming we're great now) you need to do some background work on all those people.

You think the 2012 Republican Primaries were a zoo? We have a country of 330 million. If .001% of them wanted to be president that's still 3300 people. Good luck with that.

How does anybody here feel about the idea of constitutional convention that is going around?

The same way I feel about the specs I saw of the Hulkbuster Ironman armor I saw floating around. It's not gonna happen so why worry about it. Jurassic Park will open before we have a CC.

 

[AllyRose]

I'll wait for Jurassic World: Apparently There's a Velociraptor Squad to come out on television.

 

[BotanyBoy]

As sweet as the do it digitally on the public website/TV channel sounds it wouldn't work. One need only go to youtube and see the sheer number of people posting pictures of their cats. Now multiply that by the number of people who would love to be the leader of the free world and realize that to make a quasi-educated vote (I'm not claiming we're great now) you need to do some background work on all those people.

You think the 2012 Republican Primaries were a zoo? We have a country of 330 million. If .001% of them wanted to be president that's still 3300 people. Good luck with that.



The same way I feel about the specs I saw of the Hulkbuster Ironman armor I saw floating around. It's not gonna happen so why worry about it. Jurassic Park will open before we have a CC.

Then only the rich will continue to rule us lowly pesants from their highly elevated positions of doing nothing but campaigning for moar money instead of being a public servant.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I thought the Medicis were in Florence, not Venice.

Damn, you're right. Right idea, wrong city-state. How embarrassing.

 

[patient1]

Oh I love corporations are no longer people, I think that's vital. I don't think the no more campaign contributions is plausible. Especially for the Pres. He really does need to go to those places. As it stands in theory a broke bitch could get contributions and run. It never happens but take away contributions and it goes from in theory to utterly impossible.

As sweet as the do it digitally on the public website/TV channel sounds it wouldn't work. One need only go to youtube and see the sheer number of people posting pictures of their cats. Now multiply that by the number of people who would love to be the leader of the free world and realize that to make a quasi-educated vote (I'm not claiming we're great now) you need to do some background work on all those people.

You think the 2012 Republican Primaries were a zoo? We have a country of 330 million. If .001% of them wanted to be president that's still 3300 people. Good luck with that.

Okay, granted, it can't be done expense and contribution free. But it could be done much more economically via gov sponsored TV/Internet. The way to thin the potential herd is to establish requirements, raising the bar month by month in terms of getting on ballots. When a candidate fails to keep up, they are dropped from the site/channel.

After all, if a candidate can't recruit electors, he/she can't become president. The process is a test of organization and leadership, and rightly so.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'll wait for Jurassic World: Apparently There's a Velociraptor Squad to come out on television.

Oh there is a Raptor Squad. Starlord is so fucking charismatic that even Raptors are like 'lets follow this guy to the ends of the world!' And there is a running theory that since the T-Rex is confirmed to still be the one from the first movie that when all is said and done raptors won't be enough. Just like in the original movie T-Rex will save us!!! I never really thought about how bizarre that really is since in most movies (and most of the Jurassic Park movies) the T-Rex is something to be feared but save us Rex!

Then only the rich will continue to rule us lowly pesants from their highly elevated positions of doing nothing but campaigning for moar money instead of being a public servant.

So. . .the history of the world shall continue? Not claiming to be happy about it and if someone could show me a viable way around it I'd be happy to try it but I don't see that method as viable.

Okay, granted, it can't be done expense and contribution free. But it could be done much more economically via gov sponsored TV/Internet. The way to thin the potential herd is to establish requirements, raising the bar month by month in terms of getting on ballots. When a candidate fails to keep up, they are dropped from the site/channel.

After all, if a candidate can't recruit electors, he/she can't become president. The process is a test of organization and leadership, and rightly so.

So. . .American Idol for President except without knocking out the first million competitors?

Wait. . .do you mean they have to get other competitors to basically join their team? Because that especially in the early couple of stages sounds frighteningly viable.

 

[patient1]

So. . .American Idol for President except without knocking out the first million competitors?

Wait. . .do you mean they have to get other competitors to basically join their team? Because that especially in the early couple of stages sounds frighteningly viable.

Hmm. Not a fan of the show, although I was subjected to it in the gym. Now that you mention it, I can see a comparison between some commentators, Journalists, and bloggers, and the TV judges...

Well, candidates are always looking to garner endorsements, inherent contributors, organizations and lists from other candidates who are dropping out.
But with the right number and variety of candidates, the right host, and the right panel of interviewers, I could see this as a viable show that makers of antacids, for example, might be willing to advertise with.

 

[AllyRose]

"They sent me two turkeys. The more photo-friendly of the two gets a Presidential pardon and a full life at a children's zoo. The runner-up gets eaten."

"If the Oscars were like that, I'd watch."

 

[Paendragon]

Yes. On the Supreme Court. You get 20 years, then you're out.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Hmm. Not a fan of the show, although I was subjected to it in the gym. Now that you mention it, I can see a comparison between some commentators, Journalists, and bloggers, and the TV judges...

Well, candidates are always looking to garner endorsements, inherent contributors, organizations and lists from other candidates who are dropping out.
But with the right number and variety of candidates, the right host, and the right panel of interviewers, I could see this as a viable show that makers of antacids, for example, might be willing to advertise with.

I was joking/making fun of with the American Idol part. The part that interested me was the part about candidates getting various drop outs and other "participants" however that would be defined to officially back them. That almost sounds workable.

Yes. On the Supreme Court. You get 20 years, then you're out.

Why? The SCOTUS seems aside from whatever twat declared "I won't die until Obama leaves office" to be working fairly well.

 

[rippitydoo]

I accomplished some major things in junior high (decades ago), & got a form letter from our local Congressman. I thought I could maybe use it later to trick a dumb clerk or something to get things talked-about/accomplished locally.

Loser went to jail, & later died due to a farm vehicle.

He was replaced in-between time by a guy who shares my first name, is a personal friend of my father's, refused to see a proposal written & spearheaded by 2 of my best friends, & probably couldn't spell his own name right without help.

Do you mean limits on the # of terms or length of a term? I say "Yes" to both.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So. . .the history of the world shall continue?

Yep, cash is king and fuck what's good for America and it's citizenry.

Not claiming to be happy about it and if someone could show me a viable way around it I'd be happy to try it but I don't see that method as viable.

Of course not you've been told that politicians need to be showered in bazzilionz of dollars to exist......Because reasons.

60k a year and actually doing their fucking job instead of extorting mega bux from corporate america to party 10 months out of the year just isn't really all that appealing is it??

If we don't reel these politicians in and force them to do their jobs as public servants instead of out auctioning their legislative powers pff to the highest bidders on golf courses and strip clubs....then us non elite will continue to suck their shit and like it.

 

[KingOrfeo]

How does anybody here feel about the idea of constitutional convention that is going around?

What's the point? What are the odds anything it produces will be ratified by 3/4 of the state legislatures?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yep, cash is king and fuck what's good for America and it's citizenry.

I'd try to cry about it but it's never been diferent. I didn't say anything about America. Before Cash was king it was He who has the Gold makes the Rules. And before that it was Might makes right. I personally like the last two better than the first one in the grand scheme of things.

Of course not you've been told that politicians need to be showered in bazzilionz of dollars to exist......Because reasons.

60k a year and actually doing their fucking job instead of extorting mega bux from corporate america to party 10 months out of the year just isn't really all that appealing is it??

If we don't reel these politicians in and force them to do their jobs as public servants instead of out auctioning their legislative powers pff to the highest bidders on golf courses and strip clubs....then us non elite will continue to suck their shit and like it.

60k really is a pittance for people who've put in the education that they have. I think the best possible solution to this would be the following.

1. Only public donations. I don't care if it comes from Exxon Mobil but every dollar will be tallied and we know exactly who gave it if we care to look.

In addition Congress is not only required to record this but to add it to the computer systems they use to vote.

2. You can't vote for a bill that directly benefits friends, family or donors. (Working out how far six degrees of separation works here would be. . .tricky since both of us as military men can get to the President in less than six steps and from there, linking me to Putin isn't hard. Still not impossible.)

3. When you leave Congress you get to retire comfortably but you are forbidden to work. No lobbying, no CEO, no paid speeches. If you want to write books I guess that might be okay (until we find out that people are buying warehouses of your books to pay you off for shit you did. But I honestly think it would be easy enough to track if Halliburton magically bought three 18 wheelers worth the Chenney Diaries.)

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'd try to cry about it but it's never been diferent. I didn't say anything about America. Before Cash was king it was He who has the Gold makes the Rules. And before that it was Might makes right. I personally like the last two better than the first one in the grand scheme of things.

All true....and until we change that the beatings will continued until morale is improved.

60k really is a pittance for people who've put in the education that they have.

LOL but perfectly fine for the majority who's also buried under student load debt....all the other well educated government workers getting GS3-7 pay?

I guess senator fuck face is just ABOVE the rest of us...

I think the best possible solution to this would be the following.

1. Only public donations. I don't care if it comes from Exxon Mobil but every dollar will be tallied and we know exactly who gave it if we care to look.

In addition Congress is not only required to record this but to add it to the computer systems they use to vote.

2. You can't vote for a bill that directly benefits friends, family or donors. (Working out how far six degrees of separation works here would be. . .tricky since both of us as military men can get to the President in less than six steps and from there, linking me to Putin isn't hard. Still not impossible.)

3. When you leave Congress you get to retire comfortably but you are forbidden to work. No lobbying, no CEO, no paid speeches. If you want to write books I guess that might be okay (until we find out that people are buying warehouses of your books to pay you off for shit you did. But I honestly think it would be easy enough to track if Halliburton magically bought three 18 wheelers worth the Chenney Diaries.)

That might work....

Except fuck their retirement, that's bullshit, if they want to retire on our dime they need to not be spending 60-80% of their time partying to get rich.

Want to go out and pimp for your paper on the golf course with Sachs? No problem but you don't get a public funded upper middle class retirement. Only public servants who actually serve the public should get that.

 

[Paendragon]

Why? The SCOTUS seems aside from whatever twat declared "I won't die until Obama leaves office" to be working fairly well.

I'm tired of these Justices holding onto their gavel until death rips it from their hand. I don't believe it was ever intended that we'd have, routinely, 80+ year-olds sitting on SCOTUS. People just didn't live that long in 1789.

Also, no one should be able to play such an integral part of law for 30+ years by being appointed. Think about it, we've now had two successive Presidents who have appointed fairly young people to the bench. That means we can potentially have a hand-picked George W. Bush or Barack Obama Justice still making policy in 2035, or 2040, or 2045 (Kagen is only 54) . . . like how Ronald Reagan is still, in a way, influencing policy through Scalia and Kennedy.

In my opinion, that's too long.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Fair enough argument.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm tired of these Justices holding onto their gavel until death rips it from their hand. I don't believe it was ever intended that we'd have, routinely, 80+ year-olds sitting on SCOTUS. People just didn't live that long in 1789.

That's a fun question.

The six original appointees:

John Jay (chief justice): appointed at 44, left to become a governor.

John Rutledge: appointed at 49, died five years after leaving the court.

William Cushing: appointed at 57, died in position.

John Blair: appointed at 57, died five years after leaving the court.

Robert Harrison: appointed at 54, decided to die before taking up the appointment.

James Wilson: appointed at 57, died in position.

So, mid fifties on average, the youngest left for another job, two left to rest a while before dying, two died in position, and one died before getting there.


The average age of the current justices upon appointment was 52.

Incidentally, 6 of the justices are Roman Catholic and 3 are Jewish. Protestants should be pissed, I guess.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Not that I'm asking you to check all their ages throughout time but I'm not sure a sample size of one group of appointees really means anything at all.

 

[sr71plt]

I saw what Paendragon posted as just an "original" compared to now. I wondered if Paendragon's suppositions held, and they seem to. The original justices (other than the anomaly--the comparatively very young chief justice, John Jay) did get appointed later in life and their lives were shorter than those of the current court.

I can't, of course, say that Washington's reasoning on appointments had anything to do with wanting them to kick off after only a few years on the Court so that the perspectives would remain fresh.

The general feeling of the Founders (Washington and Jefferson certainly), though (Hamilton--and maybe Adams--excepted), I think was that everything at the federal level was "as little as absolutely necessary."

 

[AllyRose]

The problem today is that there is still a large number of people that want to govern as if it was still 1787.

 

[sr71plt]

The problem today is that there is still a large number of people that want to govern as if it was still 1787.

Nicely put.

 

[Sean Renaud]

All true....and until we change that the beatings will continued until morale is improved.

I guess, I'm just saying any rule that is so fucking old that King David, the Pharroah and the Chinese all agreed on it. . .and it's still agreed upon world wide today might be like don't pet the crocodile. You can make belts but even if you do that one guy's gonna name himself leather face and chop you up.

LOL but perfectly fine for the majority who's also buried under student load debt....all the other well educated government workers getting GS3-7 pay?

I guess senator fuck face is just ABOVE the rest of us...

First most of us don't have their qualifications. Average pay in America is retarded and needs fixing, but qualified blokes don't get out of bed for 60k.

That might work....

Except fuck their retirement, that's bullshit, if they want to retire on our dime they need to not be spending 60-80% of their time partying to get rich.

Want to go out and pimp for your paper on the golf course with Sachs? No problem but you don't get a public funded upper middle class retirement. Only public servants who actually serve the public should get that.

They won't be able to party to get rich under my plan. They won't be able to help friends, family or donors get rich and when they get out they will forbidden to work. No getting any richer than they already were when they started.

I don't care if they play golf, hell I want them to play golf.

The problem today is that there is still a large number of people that want to govern as if it was still 1787.

Amen sister.