Temporal matters

[Neverlander]

After perusing the story submission guidelines, I have a question for the Literotica moderators. Consider a hypothetical story that involves the following:

1. A young lady from San Francisco travels to Toyko on holiday.
2. While there she goes to a party to celebrate her eighteenth birthday, and shortly after midnight, as she turns eighteen, she has wild sex with every man she can get hold of.

Question: Would the Literotica moderators accept this story, given the fact that in San Francisco she is still seventeen years old?

A related question: In a story set in the far future, one of a pair of twin twelve year old girls voyages to a planet in a distant star system on a vehicle that can travel at near light speed. After a brief stay on the planet the ship returns to Earth. Towards the end of the trip, the ship's captain seduces the girl, who proves to be a very willing, precocious partner. Upon arriving home after an eight year voyage, the girl alights on terra firma and greets her twin sister, now twenty years old. Because of the relativistic slowing of time on the extremely rapid space vehicle, the ship's clock says that the traveling girl, with several sexual encounters with the captain under her belt (literally), is fourteen years old. However, according to her birth certificate and the calendar on the wall in the space port, she is twenty.

So: what says Literotica? Thumbs up or down?

 

[TxRad]

If nothing sexual happens before midnight, you're good on the first.

On the second, its thumbs down all the way. She is twelve - fourteen. How the clock moves has no bearing on that.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

First story is probably good, second probably not.

On the first story, it is already her birthday at the location where the sex is happening. It doesn't matter what time it is anywhere else.

Second example, you answered the question yourself when you said she was 14 years old when she got off the space ship. End of story.

Let's look at it another way. Suppose she was a two year old when she was placed on the space ship,and put in suspended animation. The ship is en route for 200 years. When it lands she is revived. Technically, she's 202 years old. But she's still a two year old, physically and mentally. There's no way that story flies, and your time travel idea doesn't either, for the same reasons.

My question is, why are you so interested in probing the age limit boundaries?

 

[PayDay]

You are pushing the wrong boundary.

The age limit for characters involved in anything sexual is 18.

Also: Burn in hell.

 

[oggbashan]

The scenarios are interesting but I think they are just ways to get around the 18 and over rule for sexual activity set by Literotica's owners.

The acid test is whether the reader might think one or more of the characters is under 18. If the story suggests that they are or might be, then it shouldn't be posted on Literotica.

The actual age doesn't have to be stated specifically. If the description and characteristics suggest pubescent or mid teens - it should be rejected.

What might be interesting about the space travel scenario is someone coming back to find that their husband/wife is much older. Exploring the changes in their relationships could be intriguing.

 

[Handley_Page]

After perusing the story submission guidelines, I have a question for the Literotica moderators. Consider a hypothetical story that involves the following:

1. A young lady from San Francisco travels to Toyko on holiday.
2. While there she goes to a party to celebrate her eighteenth birthday, and shortly after midnight, as she turns eighteen, she has wild sex with every man she can get hold of.

Question: Would the Literotica moderators accept this story, given the fact that in San Francisco she is still seventeen years old?

So: what says Literotica? Thumbs up or down?

Why ?
What is it with this age thing ?
Can't the twenty-something [or older] have some similar fun ?

 

[Hypoxia]

Seemingly underage sex is fine in many places -- just not at this site.

Laurel set the guideline: If a participant IS or SEEMS under 18, then it's officially no-go. I asked specifically re: a classic old SF story about a 10-year-old girl struck by mystic lightning 3000 years ago and frozen at that apparent age. Yes, she is actually ancient, and has great emotional and mental maturity -- but she LOOKS to be 10, and her sexual activities are off-limits on LIT.

Some allusions to underage sex are allowed -- rough description, not depiction. For instance, this was completely acceptable: Rose was 14 when she was raped, 15 when she gave birth to Melissa, 16 when she Came To Jesus, and 20 when she disappeared. Melissa followed pretty much the same path except for the disappearing part. The passage says that sex happened, but with no details, no depiction.

Does the 18+ age rule constrain authors? Yup. Rules and limitations are good. A creative artist finds ways to produce exciting work within any given strictures. A game without rules is chaos. Cf GB.

 

[R. Richard]

I use several publishers, for my paid publications. They ALL have the same 18-year-old limit, no exceptions.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Question: Would the Literotica moderators accept this story, given the fact that in San Francisco she is still seventeen years old?

A related question: In a story set in the far future, one of a pair of twin twelve year old girls voyages to a planet in a distant star system on a vehicle that can travel at near light speed. After a brief stay on the planet the ship returns to Earth. Towards the end of the trip, the ship's captain seduces the girl, who proves to be a very willing, precocious partner. Upon arriving home after an eight year voyage, the girl alights on terra firma and greets her twin sister, now twenty years old. Because of the relativistic slowing of time on the extremely rapid space vehicle, the ship's clock says that the traveling girl, with several sexual encounters with the captain under her belt (literally), is fourteen years old. However, according to her birth certificate and the calendar on the wall in the space port, she is twenty.

So: what says Literotica? Thumbs up or down?

Echoing the others, pretty sure #2 would get a thumbs-down. As I understand it, if you describe a character as having the body of a fourteen-year-old it's likely to be rejected even with an "all characters are over 18" disclaimer, so I don't see why a sci-fi setting would change that.

#1: really, why bother? Why not just set the story a few hours later when she's unambiguously 18?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

If you want to post under age sex, go to asstr.org, they take anything.

 

[Neverlander]

Interesting responses to my question, including a bit of nastiness! Well, not much I can do about that - the nastiness gene exists, and occasionally it is expressed.

No, I have no particular interest in "probing the age limit boundaries." I hadn't looked at Literotica for some years and happened to notice recently that there are new restrictions in effect - was there a change in ownership, perhaps? Does the change reflect deep seated concerns or principles of the owners, or is it the result of pressure from authorities or a reaction to public hysteria? I don't know. In any event, I was simply curious to know people's thoughts about the age issue. The number "eighteen" has always seemed a bit arbitrary to me - I don't know what is magic about that number, aside from the fact that it appears in some United States legislation. The question then arises as to whether the objection to sex (or, in the case of a web site like this one, the description of sex) involving persons under that age is simply that it violates the law (or the rules) - remember the old public service announcements warning us to do or not do this or that simply because "It's the law!" - or that there are deeper reasons to avoid it. In the case of literary treatments I can't think why restrictions are called for, unless the belief is that the description of certain acts would lead to the commission of those acts. If this were true, then we should ban films that depict violence or crimes that go unpunished, a la the old motion picture Hays Code; and Literotica should not offer non-consent (i.e. rape) or voyeurism (an illegal activity) as permissible genres. Does anyone really believe that pornographic stories cause sexual crimes? I don't believe that psychologists do.

As for the examples I gave, they were, as I said, hypothetical - I have no such stories to submit, so I'm not affected by the limitation. I offered them tongue-in-cheek - well, half-tongue in half-cheek - to illustrate a point, namely that there is nothing of particular significance about the age of eighteen, and it's silly to get hung up on it.

They're just stories, folks.

 

[lovecraft68]

If you want to post under age sex, go to asstr.org, they take anything.

Yeah....anything is the word.

Stories online used to accept underage and still might, but I think they tightened it up to at least sixteen now, but I could be wrong.

I'm not sure what the huge draw to underage sex is.

I think if I were writing a "serious" piece and wanted it to be realistic it would be annoying to make them eighteen(but I did that for SWB because in my mind it would have happened younger, but I played by the rules) but for just a stroke sex story....who cares?

I've come to believe that the reader.....will read what they want. Many of them know the underage rule here and I think in their minds they assume younger sometimes on their own.

I know for me when I read brother/sister stories and they say 18,...19 whatever, in my head I figure this stuff in reality starts before that and always think a little younger

same in the first time category...I always see every 18 year old virgin as a little younger. Not that I get off on it, its just that in reality we know that's when this stuff really happens

 

[lovecraft68]

Interesting responses to my question, including a bit of nastiness! Well, not much I can do about that - the nastiness gene exists, and occasionally it is expressed.

No, I have no particular interest in "probing the age limit boundaries." I hadn't looked at Literotica for some years and happened to notice recently that there are new restrictions in effect - was there a change in ownership, perhaps? Does the change reflect deep seated concerns or principles of the owners, or is it the result of pressure from authorities or a reaction to public hysteria? I don't know. In any event, I was simply curious to know people's thoughts about the age issue. The number "eighteen" has always seemed a bit arbitrary to me - I don't know what is magic about that number, aside from the fact that it appears in some United States legislation. The question then arises as to whether the objection to sex (or, in the case of a web site like this one, the description of sex) involving persons under that age is simply that it violates the law (or the rules) - remember the old public service announcements warning us to do or not do this or that simply because "It's the law!" - or that there are deeper reasons to avoid it. In the case of literary treatments I can't think why restrictions are called for, unless the belief is that the description of certain acts would lead to the commission of those acts. If this were true, then we should ban films that depict violence or crimes that go unpunished, a la the old motion picture Hays Code; and Literotica should not offer non-consent (i.e. rape) or voyeurism (an illegal activity) as permissible genres. Does anyone really believe that pornographic stories cause sexual crimes? I don't believe that psychologists do.

As for the examples I gave, they were, as I said, hypothetical - I have no such stories to submit, so I'm not affected by the limitation. I offered them tongue-in-cheek - well, half-tongue in half-cheek - to illustrate a point, namely that there is nothing of particular significance about the age of eighteen, and it's silly to get hung up on it.

They're just stories, folks.

I think the change is lits former sister site extreme stories was closed and some stories moved here, but others kicked to the curb because lit has rules and that site didn't. Maybe that's what you're recalling.

 

[CollarAndFeather]

Gonna side-step the already made points to geek out a little.

In the 2nd story involving space travel, the character would be objectively 14, since time is relative to whatever/whoever is experiencing it.

It's not that those 8 years have seemed like 2, it's that the effects of relativity mean that the time on Earth and in the ship have been shifted out of synch by the amount of 6 years' time. So while the sister that stayed on Earth has 'traveled' through 20 years' worth of time (& so is 20 years old, objectively & subjectively), her sister has only 'traveled' through 14 years' worth of time (& so is 14 years old, objectively & subjectively)

Incidentally, this is the same reason that traveling back in time doesn't make someone younger. So, if there's a story where a 20 year old travels back in time 6 years, it wouldn't be a violation of age policies/laws because the character is still 20.

I'd also say that 200 years spent in suspended animation doesn't count towards a person's age since they haven't really been alive during that time, so haven't actually lived 200 years.

 

[PayDay]

Interesting responses to my question, including a bit of nastiness! Well, not much I can do about that - the nastiness gene exists, and occasionally it is expressed.

No, I have no particular interest in "probing the age limit boundaries." I hadn't looked at Literotica for some years and happened to notice recently that there are new restrictions in effect - was there a change in ownership, perhaps? Does the change reflect deep seated concerns or principles of the owners, or is it the result of pressure from authorities or a reaction to public hysteria? I don't know. In any event, I was simply curious to know people's thoughts about the age issue. The number "eighteen" has always seemed a bit arbitrary to me - I don't know what is magic about that number, aside from the fact that it appears in some United States legislation. The question then arises as to whether the objection to sex (or, in the case of a web site like this one, the description of sex) involving persons under that age is simply that it violates the law (or the rules) - remember the old public service announcements warning us to do or not do this or that simply because "It's the law!" - or that there are deeper reasons to avoid it. In the case of literary treatments I can't think why restrictions are called for, unless the belief is that the description of certain acts would lead to the commission of those acts. If this were true, then we should ban films that depict violence or crimes that go unpunished, a la the old motion picture Hays Code; and Literotica should not offer non-consent (i.e. rape) or voyeurism (an illegal activity) as permissible genres. Does anyone really believe that pornographic stories cause sexual crimes? I don't believe that psychologists do.

As for the examples I gave, they were, as I said, hypothetical - I have no such stories to submit, so I'm not affected by the limitation. I offered them tongue-in-cheek - well, half-tongue in half-cheek - to illustrate a point, namely that there is nothing of particular significance about the age of eighteen, and it's silly to get hung up on it.

They're just stories, folks.

Go fuck yourself with the word manipulation.

This is obviously not the website for your filth, and the Laurel(s) even accepts my filth.

Leave.

 

[sr71plt]

The first scenario would go fine, I think, if you didn't make a point of the time differences. The second one, no.

 

[PennLady]

Interesting responses to my question, including a bit of nastiness! Well, not much I can do about that - the nastiness gene exists, and occasionally it is expressed.

No, I have no particular interest in "probing the age limit boundaries." I hadn't looked at Literotica for some years and happened to notice recently that there are new restrictions in effect - was there a change in ownership, perhaps? Does the change reflect deep seated concerns or principles of the owners, or is it the result of pressure from authorities or a reaction to public hysteria? I don't know. In any event, I was simply curious to know people's thoughts about the age issue. The number "eighteen" has always seemed a bit arbitrary to me - I don't know what is magic about that number, aside from the fact that it appears in some United States legislation.

Eighteen is when a person becomes a legal adult in the US, which means you have new rights and responsibilities, although not all. In general, anyone under eighteen is considered a minor, a child, a juvenile, whatever you want to call it. "Legal age" is different from the "age of consent," which varies from state to state.

But regardless, the only rule or explanation we need here is that Lit is a privately-owend site and they make the rules. They have their reasons, and this is where they decided to draw their line. No one is trying to deny that people have sex before they're eighteen; you just can't describe it in detail on this site.

 

[mikey2much]

I don't like the way the age thing is so rigid.

There are several great books that could not be posted here on Lit. I think that the bible might have a hard time meeting the rules here on a porn site. I have never wanted or tried to write about underage children being molested or raped. It is not the kind of thing I am interested in or that I want to promote.

But it is nice to be able to talk about what has made our characters into the people that they are. I personally feel that each story should be judged on what its intent is.
If the intent is to pander to child molesters and perverts then ban it. If a scene is a child coming of age in his or her own mind while in bed by themselves. Or if a child sees something and remembers it that night and the author used the event to show how his feelings were formed by what he saw then I think they should be judged on how they handle it.

I don't know how much money this site produces. It makes nothing off me except the use of my stories and they more then repay me for their use by putting them out there. If the site is pinching pennies then I guess it would be a big expense to hire someone to read every story. It is said that Laurel reads each one and has no help. I find that hard to believe but it could be true. If that is the case I guess she would find it much easier to just ban everything that seems even close to underage sex. Which is what they do.

But anytime anybody says anything about the age rule they are attacked by a gang of posts telling them that this is a private site and if you don't like it you can leave.Since this is the best deal in town I guess you would be better off staying. SOL will post almost anything, but the writing isn't as good overall as it is here and the readership here is much more interactive with both votes and comments.

So while it ain't perfect it is the best site going.

 

[PayDay]

There are several great books that could not be posted here on Lit. I think that the bible might have a hard time meeting the rules here on a porn site. I have never wanted or tried to write about underage children being molested or raped. It is not the kind of thing I am interested in or that I want to promote.

But it is nice to be able to talk about what has made our characters into the people that they are. I personally feel that each story should be judged on what its intent is.
If the intent is to pander to child molesters and perverts then ban it. If a scene is a child coming of age in his or her own mind while in bed by themselves. Or if a child sees something and remembers it that night and the author used the event to show how his feelings were formed by what he saw then I think they should be judged on how they handle it.

I don't know how much money this site produces. It makes nothing off me except the use of my stories and they more then repay me for their use by putting them out there. If the site is pinching pennies then I guess it would be a big expense to hire someone to read every story. It is said that Laurel reads each one and has no help. I find that hard to believe but it could be true. If that is the case I guess she would find it much easier to just ban everything that seems even close to underage sex. Which is what they do.

But anytime anybody says anything about the age rule they are attacked by a gang of posts telling them that this is a private site and if you don't like it you can leave.Since this is the best deal in town I guess you would be better off staying. SOL will post almost anything, but the writing isn't as good overall as it is here and the readership here is much more interactive with both votes and comments.

So while it ain't perfect it is the best site going.

Fuck you too.

 

[Bramblethorn]

No, I have no particular interest in "probing the age limit boundaries."

Er, how is your original post not exactly that?

I offered them tongue-in-cheek - well, half-tongue in half-cheek - to illustrate a point, namely that there is nothing of particular significance about the age of eighteen, and it's silly to get hung up on it.

What would you propose instead of a cutoff at 18? As far as I can see the three options are:

- no cutoff at all, anything goes
- some sort of vague "characters must be mature" thing that takes more time for the mod to judge and creates uncertainty for writers
- arbitrary cutoff

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The core problem with the underage ban is how writers handle it: No one on Earth awakes on their 18th birthday and fornicates. I suggest we stop pretending it happens that way.

Leave the subject alone is what I suggest. THE TURN OF THE SCREW by Henry James is about underage incest tho the subject never comes up in the writing. Ghosts use the children to continue a love affair.

 

[oggbashan]

In the UK the legal age of consent, and the age at which people can marry (with parental consent) is sixteen.

I could write a story about sixteen year olds having sex and it would not be a problem in the UK. Shakespeare's Juliet was of legal age in his time.

But I wouldn't post such a story here. The 18 and over age rule is one of Literotica's few requirements. There are other sites that will accept sex at a younger age but most have some very unpleasant stories on them that would be considered child abuse in the UK.

Lit has rules. If you want to put your stories on Lit - follow the rules, please.

 

[lovecraft68]

I love author's "honor amongst thieves" attitude.

People here will write freely about rape and incest both real life crimes. They will write about unfaithful women being raped and sold into sexual slavery and write about the boyfriends of said wives getting their cocks lopped off.

They write about women fucking animals and make the excuse "The horse had a horn on its head" to disguise the fact they are writing to appeal to bestiality

They will do all of this, but never, never, talk about why you can't write a sexual story between two characters who are sixteen.

Do I? No. Do I really want to? Not really doesn't do anything for me and the rule doesn't bother me.

But its the point of a bunch of people who write what many would consider disturbing material pointing their fingers at someone else and calling them sick.

Typical mob mentality we're all right, you're not.

Is the rule up for debate? No. But the reaction people give to these things crack me up.

The way some here protest so vehemently about this makes me wonder how many here secretly desire it and are masking it with "thou doth protest too loudly"

Back to typical herd mentality and mob behavior. When it comes to this subject the people here are no better then the GB, all gathering together to jump on someone.

BTW.....Two things before a certain lying asshole tries to bring up my rape platform....I have never said people can't write it what I say is the site is hypocritical saying they don't want it when they have a category named after it. Just figured I would cut my obsessed groupie off at the knees and save people his blathering.

Two....none of this is directed at you OGG. You're always the voice of reason and make your points calmly and intelligently.

 

[PayDay]

The core problem with the underage ban is how writers handle it: No one on Earth awakes on their 18th birthday and fornicates. I suggest we stop pretending it happens that way.

Leave the subject alone is what I suggest. THE TURN OF THE SCREW by Henry James is about underage incest tho the subject never comes up in the writing. Ghosts use the children to continue a love affair.

Including what Ogg said in #22 Lit has set this rule, even though underage stuff is legal by federal law in the USA, it's a Lit thing. It doesn't mean only 18+ stuff happens IRL, it's just decent, if only, for the content available on the Internet and by the site owner's preference.

I think it's the thing that sets Lit apart from every other 'theoretical' porn page on the Internet -- also the news links on the main story index page.

If the age limit rule changed I will probably stop posting here.

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

This again - it is SO boring.

This was all laid down long ago:

See http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=2151906#post2151906
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=645556&postcount=4

from 2001 and 2002. The only difference in 2014 is a bouncing elephant instead of a beautiful kitten as Laurel's avatar.