Teamsters President to Speak at Republican Convention

[BabyBoomer50s]

First time a Teamsters president has spoken at a GOP convention. Reminds me of how Reagan courted union support in 1980.

Bloomberg) -- Teamsters union president Sean O’Brien will speak at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee next month, former President Donald Trump announced, a move that could undercut President Joe Biden’s appeal to blue-collar, union workers.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...nt-to-speak-at-republican-national-convention

 

[JoePepsiCo]

How very cosmopolitan...


Inclusive and tolerant...


I feel the coming of rant!

 

[YDB95]

They've been endorsing Republicans at least since Bush Sr.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

But the Democrats are the Party of the Working Man.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

All the Labor Leadership assures us so...

 

[DeluxAuto]

How very cosmopolitan...


Inclusive and tolerant...


I feel the coming of rant!

But the Democrats are the Party of the Working Man.

All the Labor Leadership assures us so...

I agree with you that bb is an idiot and this is very insignificant.

 

[ll74]

The GOP is anti union. Maybe he can mention that during his speech.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Unions are public sector now. They hate Republicans.


Unfortunately, their membership loves Trump.

 

[ll74]

Unions are public sector now. They hate Republicans.


Unfortunately, their membership loves Trump.

Republicans hate unions. Just ask Reichy about his opinion on them (specifically teacher unions)

Republican action has reduced membership in all unions across the board.

This stat seems relevant...maybe less membership means more money at the top.

Teamsters Union Lost Most Members in 20 Years in 2019​

 

[DeluxAuto]

Unions are public sector now. They hate Republicans.


Unfortunately, their membership loves Trump.

Not according to the CWA

Trump's Anti-Worker Record

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Libertarians hate them too when they're in the Public Sector.


The traditional unionist is a thing of the past.

 

[ll74]

Libertarians hate them too when they're in the Public Sector.


The traditional unionist is a thing of the past.

As I said - seems counterproductive to speak at a place that people hate you, but maybe he just believes in hugging your enemies

 

[JoePepsiCo]

How has Republican action reduced the membership?

If the union membership was a value-enhancing product, how could they reduce it without getting voted out of office?

I think you have a favorite old-time meme here that you just love to trot out, "Republicans hate Unions."

It might be just as erudite an observation to say that, "Republicans hate inefficiency," since the union of today represents workers protected by BILLIONS of lines of Federal Code which in an extreme redundancy. Pssssstttt...., buddy, don't tell the Unions, but the Democratic National Socialist Party has already destroyed them by taking over all of their functions.

Unions no longer protect workers. Not in the United States. They are just grift now.

Former Union Steward

 

[ll74]

How has Republican action reduced the membership?

Lol, Republican policies have favored employers over employees for decades. Blunting the effectiveness of combined power of the workers with right to fire policies has been front and center in the party.

Right to work” is the name for a policy designed to take away rights from working people. Backers of right to work laws claim that these laws protect workers against being forced to join a union. The reality is that federal law already makes it illegal to force someone to join a union.

If the union membership was a value-enhancing product, how could they reduce it without getting voted out of office?

Yah, interesting question

I think you have a favorite old-time meme here that you just love to trot out, "Republicans hate Unions."

They do hate unions.

It might be just as erudite an observation to say that, "Republicans hate inefficiency," since the union of today represents workers protected by BILLIONS of lines of Federal Code which in an extreme redundancy. Pssssstttt...., buddy, don't tell the Unions, but the Democratic National Socialist Party has already destroyed them by taking over all of their functions.

What specific Republican policies have been supportive of Unions?

Unions no longer protect workers. Not in the United States. They are just grift now.

Incorrect. Generalizing as well. Some unions have become bloated and corrupt and the right has decided that is every union.

Former Union Steward

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Of course reasonable laws must favor employers.

They have the jobs. They take the risk.

If it were otherwise,
we'd be broke.

DEAD broke.

Otherwise, as pointed out by Chob, if you give the workers the law and the power, you end up with the Strong Man. If the laws do not protect equity then investment dies.

Now, you are characterizing this as some sort of Republican fault, that they favor industry over the common man, or whatever the take here, but the economist in me sees this as a strength for anybody who understands economics and where I see this acumen lacking is almost always in the pews of the church of the holy secular state; there seems to be no room for economic calculation in the altruistic heart.

Let's put it this way. If I do something good for an employer directly, then do I not indirectly also do something good for the laborer(s)? If my policies allow business opportunity, well, that opportunity is going to require at least a modicum of labor (the exception of the pet rock comes to mind; talk about minimum labor).

 

[ll74]

Of course reasonable laws must favor employers.

They have the jobs. They take the risk.

If it were otherwise,
we'd be broke.

DEAD broke.

Otherwise, as pointed out by Chob, if you give the workers the law and the power, you end up with the Strong Man. If the laws do not protect equity then investment dies.

Now, you are characterizing this as some sort of Republican fault, that they favor industry over the common man, or whatever the take here, but the economist in me sees this as a strength for anybody who understands economics and where I see this acumen lacking is almost always in the pews of the church of the holy secular state; there seems to be no room for economic calculation in the altruistic heart.

Let's put it this way. If I do something good for an employer directly, then do I not indirectly also do something good for the laborer(s)? If my policies allow business opportunity, well, that opportunity is going to require at least a modicum of labor (the exception of the pet rock comes to mind; talk about minimum labor).

Unions were created to provide leverage and power to the employee.

Republicans have removed that leverage.

Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant to the point.

Union leadership supporting a party that has neutered its whole reason for existence is an odd thing.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Thats exactly what I outlined as their original purpose. You read over that.

They are now a remora. An appendix. A prelude to government takeover, which it has.

GOVERNMENT REMOVED THE LEVERAGE BY BECOMING UNION PARTNER. That wasn't "Republicans." That took the efforts of both parties. Once OSHA was up and running, the day of the union was on its way, exit, stage left.

The only power left in unions is in the Public Sectors where Democrat Employers force Party loyalty and Democrat employees happily divvy up and raise public taxes every time they sit down to contract negotiations. No Republicans involved in the major Blue Enclaves.

 

[ll74]

Thats exactly what I outlined as their original purpose.

They are now a remora. An appendix. A prelude to government takeover, which it has.

The only power left in unions is in the Public Sectors where Democrat Employers force Party loyalty and Democrat employees happily divvy up and raise public taxes every time they sit down to contract negotiations. No Republicans involved in the major Blue Enclaves.

Yes, Republican policies have removed that power. And the head of one of its biggest unions is speaking at the convention.

And my point is that it makes no sense to do so. Your point seems to be that you don't like unions or you don't see them as relevant...which is irrelevant to that point.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

No. GOVERNMENT removed that power.

This childish, partisan insistence that you can blame just one party is fucking idiotic.

He is nowhere near the head of the biggest union. Be careful here and watch the language when they say he is the head of the largest private sector union.

1. Education Association of the United States: Founded in 1857, this organization works to support those who are teachers and those who work in colleges and universities. Its members work at all levels of education, from pre-school up through higher education.
2. Service Employees International Union: Founded in 1921, this union works specifically with members of three different sectors: health care, public services, and property services. The majority of its members are involved in the health care field. Its leaders are elected every four years at a convention.
3. American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees: Founded in 1932 in Wisconsin, this union represents public employees across the United States. It is the largest trade union of public workers.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-largest-labor-unions-in-the-us.html
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?cycle=2020&ind=P04

 

[JoePepsiCo]

--The union membership rate of public-sector workers (32.5 percent) continued to be more
than five times higher than the rate of private-sector workers (6.0 percent). (See
table 3.)


https://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

 

[ll74]

No. GOVERNMENT removed that power.

Republicans in government.

This childish, partisan insistence that you can blame just one party is fucking idiotic.

You can review the party line votes and decide for yourself. There was only one party running on the policy.

He is nowhere near the head of the biggest union. Be careful here and watch the language when they say he is the head of the largest private sector union.

1. Education Association of the United States: Founded in 1857, this organization works to support those who are teachers and those who work in colleges and universities. Its members work at all levels of education, from pre-school up through higher education.
2. Service Employees International Union: Founded in 1921, this union works specifically with members of three different sectors: health care, public services, and property services. The majority of its members are involved in the health care field. Its leaders are elected every four years at a convention.
3. American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees: Founded in 1932 in Wisconsin, this union represents public employees across the United States. It is the largest trade union of public workers.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-largest-labor-unions-in-the-us.html
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?cycle=2020&ind=P04

So weird that you stopped at number 3. I wonder why. ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯

This is literally a pedantic and dumb argument.

 

[ll74]

Again, I get that you hate unions. I even get that you have arguments for why they aren't a thing you enjoy. That has zero relevance to a top five union guy speaking at a conference of people who have literally run on policies meant to destroy his organizations' power and , for the most part, existence.

I don't give a shit whether you like them or not...nor am I arguing for or against their existence.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Because I follow the posting rules and if you want the rest, you click the link, but we both know by now that what you want is a fight in the morning, some conflict, someone to rail against.

I really wish your life had turned out better for you. It has left you bitter, and unable to articulate they why to your meaningless suppositions...

 

[ll74]

Because I follow the posting rules and if you want the rest, you click the link, but we both know by now that what you want is a fight in the morning, some conflict, someone to rail against.

Of course that's why

I really wish your life had turned out better for you. It has left you bitter, and unable to articulate they why to your meaningless suppositions...

Of course....me saying it's odd that a teamster's President is speaking at a conference for a group of people campaigning on policies that work against his organization is obviously bitter and not articulate

My life is just fine. Thanks for asking.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Again, I get that you hate unions. I even get that you have arguments for why they aren't a thing you enjoy. That has zero relevance to a top five union guy speaking at a conference of people who have literally run on policies meant to destroy his organizations' power and , for the most part, existence.

I don't give a shit whether you like them or not...nor am I arguing for or against their existence.

I said I hated unions?

You might as just as well say using the pedantic and dumb argument that I hated dinosaurs because I pointed out that most of them died off. It's just a fact. Unions are not our grandfather's blue-collar labor unions, they're now the protection racket of government white-collar office workers and why do government workers need protection from government who is there to protect everybody?