Taking the Pulse of GWB - So whadaya think so far?

[Sparky Kronkite]

Duh, duh, duh.

That would be my first response.

Nearly everything, all of it, the information that I've seen and read - with the single exception of the promise, the hint of increased military spending - (I understand that's not everyone's cup of tea but I am first and formost - a Hippie Marine - and I'm all for a strong US military, something Billy Boy let slide big time.) - I find nearly everthing he's done or said, including his appointments - FUCKING TRAGIC!!!!

And to me - all his actions - reak, absolutely stink of - DUMB FUCKING TEXAN!

And I am (half by blood) a dumb fucking Texan.

It takes one to know one.

What do you all think?

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[Guest]

I think....

 

[CelestialBody]

You may have to register

 

[CreamyLady]

He has a pulse?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

He's just so, so, so, so....what's the word?

It's not "inept". You don't get to be Governor or President if you're inept. It jsut doesn't happen.

It's not "stupid". He's not an intellectual, and I doubt he does difficult math in his head, but he's got himself a reasonable cerbral cortex.

It's not "evil". The man has a farm, teen daughters and a nice wife. His views on morality and abortion are stuffy, and outdated and to be argued against, but not evil.

It's not "insane". Quite the opposite. His lack of soaring intellect or vision may just be what will help him keep his head in crisis, and keep his stable in the face of temptation. The man is very, very sane.

So what is it? How do you describe a man who doesn't seem to be the right guy for the position? Who doesn't seem able to wear the many hats neccessary, or fill the proper shoes at the proper time? There's only word that I can find to describe the relationship between George W. Bush and the Presidency of the United States of America:

"Incongruous".

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

Dixon.....

Maybe, maybe most of the time, no one assumes such positions without some sort of competence - that's most of the time - but, but, but......

Explain Marion Barry.

And explain how maybe, just maybe - if yer daddy's an X-Prez and you're just smart enough to - let "other people" actually run your state........

And then - add to that the fact that your state - the one you "run" is full of Hooten Cowboy's and has a historic complacency toward the Federal Gov't and a traditionally low voter turn out among educated voters (as well as other voters).....

And the opposition is less than stellar.

And American's being who they generally are - dumb - have no choice (in their limited minds) but to follow straight party lines with their votes......

And then, then - the chemistry could be just right - for an incompetent person to get elected Prez of this here US.....

Maybe.

 

[ranajja]

Enough already

Dammit, I tell myself not to get involved in this kind of thread, but like Alice, I give myself very good advice, but very seldom follow it...

Bush may not be as eloquent of speech as Clinton, but which would you prefer? Pretty, flowing, highly intellectual speeches from a man whose actions have undermined his honor, his integrity? Or honest plain talk from an honorable man?

I don't mean to be ugly, or rude, but I've had it up to here with the insinuations that Bush is Clinton's intellectual inferior.

You can say what you like, but “my” man isn’t going to embarrass you the way “your” man embarrassed me.

 

[miles]

If Bush is so stupid...

How did he earn an undergrad from Yale and a MBA from Harvard?

Anyone who says his daddy got it for him........

 

[jcgirl]

He may be a Republican, but he'll get his chance to prove himself. Im holding out for that

 

[Laurel]

Re: If Bush is so stupid...

How did he earn an undergrad from Yale and a MBA from Harvard?

Anyone who says his daddy got it for him........

A quick question, then I'll fade into the shadows:

As the true Libertarian, how can you in good conscience support a party (the GOP) that has stated time and time again that their intentions of using Federal power to enforce morality on the country via the war on drugs, the criminalization of a woman's right to choose, and the illegalization of porn? Seems those sort of things would be stances you, as a Libertarian, would be staunchly against - the Imposition of Big Government into Our Private Lives. Or is it just that you'll support any party that dangles the carrot of tax cuts in your face?

I see many of the "Libertarians" on this board defending Bush and the Republican party, yet many of the Libertarians I know in real life abhor both the Repubs and Dems equally, feeling that both parties impose too much. I'm not a Libertarian, but it does confuse me when those who claim to be pro-Liberty choose to defend a party (and a candidate) that does not give a whit about personal freedom. Maybe I'm missing something here...

 

[Vlad]

"W" is a little scary--being in the investment business, I worry mostly about how "W"'s proposed economic programs will effect the economy, although I believe Alan Greenspan has more influence on the financial health of our country than anyone else--hope he makes a couple more cuts in the prime rate--think that would give the "market" the kick in the butt it badly needs--

Vlad

[Edited by Vlad on 01-19-2001 at 01:17 AM]

 

[miles]

Re: Re: If Bush is so stupid...

You asked, I'll answer:

A quick question, then I'll fade into the shadows:

As the true Libertarian, how can you in good conscience support a party (the GOP) that has stated time and time again that their intentions of using Federal power to enforce morality on the country via the war on drugs, the criminalization of a woman's right to choose, and the illegalization of porn?

WHOAAAA!!!

I asked a simple question about Bush = MBA!! That hardly means I'm a GOP "supporter". As far as I'm concerned, if they want my support, let em buy a jock strap!

The war (and laws prohibiting them) are ridiculous, as is any attempt to legislate what people read, snort, smoke, put in or remove from their bodies or who they fuck.

If I agree with some GOP ideals that hardly makes me a Republican supporter. That's faulty logic.

 

[Laurel]

Re: Re: Re: If Bush is so stupid...

I asked a simple question about Bush = MBA!! That hardly means I'm a GOP "supporter". As far as I'm concerned, if they want my support, let em buy a jock strap!

The war (and laws prohibiting them) are ridiculous, as is any attempt to legislate what people read, snort, smoke, put in or remove from their bodies or who they fuck.

If I agree with some GOP ideals that hardly makes me a Republican supporter. That's faulty logic.

Which ideals are those?

This is interesting to me, as I've yet to hear you or the other 'Libertarians' criticize the GOP or anything on the Republican agenda, yet you're quick to find fault with the Dem agenda. If you and the others do, in fact, wholeheartedly disagree with the GOP stances on individual liberty, it's odd that you & the others haven't taken the time to voice that disagreement...at the same time, you & the others HAVE taken the time to not only delineate those issues you find faulty with Democrat agenda, but also make catty remarks about the current President and other members of the Democratic party (including various blowjob jokes and comparing Clinton to Hitler). That, to me, would seem to indicate a bias. If you like, I can pull up examples from your posts and others so that you know what would give me this impression.

I think there are many Republicans out there who, in an attempt to appear 'impartial', have decided to claim Libertarian. That way, when they advocate Republican stances, it appears that they are an informed yet impartial bystander instead of a card-carrying Repub supporting the team. It's unfortunate, and it does a lot to annoy true Libertarians who detest what the GOP and the Christian Right stand for. I'm certainly not saying that you are one of these 'stealth Republicans', I'm just saying that these do exist.

 

[riff]

Re: Enough already

I don't mean to be ugly, or rude, but I've had it up to here with the insinuations that Bush is Clinton's intellectual inferior.

You can say what you like, but “my” man isn’t going to embarrass you the way “your” man embarrassed me.

Bush could not compete with Clinton in a contest of smarts. Clinton would stomp all over Dan... I mean ... George. I imagine most of the members of the US Senate could stomp on George when it comes to intelligence. Let's face it. He is average, at best. He just happened to be the son of a former president who was the vice-president of .... I really think many Americans are latent monarchists.... It's so perverse- but I think it's true.

I can only assume that the "embarrassment" remark refers to entire impeachment saga? I agree with you. The rest of the world laughed at the USA, and I laughed with them.

 

[miles]

Laurel

Laurel, I'll discuss or debate these issues or others at any time. But forming an opinion of me based on very limited or incorrect information is the definition of prejudice.

 

[Laurel]

Crap! My apologies to Miles and to anyone else whose posts got garbled just now. We tried to change the dates on a table, and bumped the contents of some posts into the previous posts. Thus, my response to Miles replaced his original post. I've edited his post to reflect his words, but I couldn't restore his entire post - just the parts I quoted. I'm going to search & find any other errors...if you notice that your words are somehow in the mouth of another, please let me know! Thanks for your patience...

 

[Rosebud]

i think Bush bashing is getting old...unless it is my bush...he is president...get over it...

 

[Andra_Jenny]

Greenspan should never have made those last two rate hikes. Nobody should wage war on drugs. Nobody should spend their lives publicly detesting the military only to use it as a meals on wheels and nobody's test should be graded before class is even in session. All this thread shows is, I didn't like hime before, I don't like him now, and I am prepared to never like him. Hell, eight years ago I thought Clinton was new and cool. I still voted Libertarian. I dislike the Dems for changing from being the party of the working person to the party of the needy person.

 

[Laurel]

i think Bush bashing is getting old...unless it is my bush...he is president...get over it...

Hey, the Dems put up with 8 years of Clinton-bashing, including an impeachment attempt and character assassination the likes of which are unprecedented on a sitting President. Now you all wanna play nice? lol

 

[Rosebud]

yes but he deserved all of that...give bush at least a few days to screw up....LOL...I still love you Laurel

 

[Feisty1]

"I can only assume that the "embarrassment" remark refers to entire impeachment saga? I agree with you. The rest of the world laughed at the USA, and I laughed with them."

And now the world is laughing much, much harder.

Well, not the whole world - most of world leaders are actually cringing (you know, the same world leaders our daddy's boy couldn't name - so much for that Yale 'education' he 'earned')....

 

[riff]

"I can only assume that the "embarrassment" remark refers to entire impeachment saga? I agree with you. The rest of the world laughed at the USA, and I laughed with them."

I left it an open statement. I was laughing at the ridiculousness of the republicans. I think they were too.

 

[riff]

Bashing Bush? I think Newt and his pals bashed Clinton pretty early. If they didn't bash him sooner it was because few people knew of him.

I bash Duh-bya whenever I get the opportunity.

 

[Grrrn38]

Hey, the Dems put up with 8 years of Clinton-bashing, including an impeachment attempt and character assassination the likes of which are unprecedented on a sitting President. Now you all wanna play nice? lol [/QUOTE]

So that means we have to continue it....? C'mon.