Taboo. Open discussion, no attitude.

[Life_Noir]

Ah – now I can't define my 'issue' with an exact, or even approximate, age difference. It's about appearance. *looks around for a bigger rock* It's about a pensioner (male) being with a young thing. Not to say that I think sex ends at 60 – God forbid – I just don't want to see it. Personal choice ! (again thanks for the AV appreciation – love the idea of chains, blindfold and wax play)

ahhhhhhh

 

[HottieMama]

*lol*
A good chunk of the above reminds me... Finally saw "Black Snake Moan" today...
One of the things they said in the "extra features" segments... That it embodies all those taboos in one way or another..

Good music... And what can ya say bad about a movie that has Christina Ricci wrapped up in chain anyway???

Fucking great movie. i love Christina Ricci...

Seriously...i don't understand the not wanting to "see" vast age differences...then don't fucking look...don't pay attention to older men...and don't return the advances if one comes on to you...but i'll be damned if i will let ANYONE tell me who i choose to be with is wrong.

 

[lil_slave_rose]

While I empathise with you and think it difficult to remain objective when someone you know is involved, I don't think I can share your idea he was an innocent victim of circumstances. I thought I had read where you said before she had lured him there to kill him but he had lost his nerve (was this the murder victim who was wheelchair bound?)so she had done it, but even if my memory serves me wrong and he went there and broke in with the intention of robbing someone he did not know, it shows at the very least bad judgement and a weakness to be coerced by others to do something you should know is totally wrong no matter what other things were happening. That is why he is in prison because he made the decision it was OK to take the law into his own hands, and had been coerced by someone who was capable of such brutality...and thus could be just as open to being coerced again by a similar person. My thoughts are that as a adult you take responsibility for your decisions. There may be other factors involved, but for most situations an adult should be able to weigh those up and arrive at the decision it is not right to rob or murder someone simply because someone else said they molested their daughter. That being said, whenever I hear of somone receiving the death penalty, it is their family I feel sorriest for..***** sentences really don't count as being so devastating to me even though they still have a significant impact, simply because they are no longer anywhere near life in most western countries.

Catalina

heya cat! long time no debate yes, this is the same person i've mentioned in the other thread...as i said last night, it is a long drawn out story and i gave the basics. i KNOW he was not an innocent victim of circumstance, far from it. he CHOSE to go over there and do what he did. as far as him chickening out, well that's just my own theory of what happened. he says he went there solely to break in and scare him. and i agree whole heartedly that he should pay for what he done. none of those issues were what i had a problem with. it was the comment about people in a supermax not needing to be back out on the streets. yes, he made a HUGE mistake, made a very WRONG decision, and yes i suppose if he were to get out tomorrow, he may make the mistake again, but my guess knowing him the way i do, is that he would not.

my point was simply that because he committed this crime, does not mean he is a terrible human being and deserves to die, or never be let out into society again, and that even those people like him have family and friends and people who love them. it was just to switch it around and basically say, 'what if it was someone you cared about, would you feel the same?' i would never say he doesn't deserve to pay for the crime he committed, BUT he got 50 years for breaking into a house, while the person who actually did the murder and also was found guilty of 2 counts of conspiracy is only serving 15 more years than him. and all of this doesnt' matter in this 'taboo' thread so again, i'm going to stop here...basically, i agree with everything you said, i was just throwing out there that not ALL criminals that are in a supermax prison are terrible terrible people who are a threat to society.

 

[lil_slave_rose]

Care to post a link to that thread?

i am not sure what thread it was even in...i believe it was the distant domination support thread, but i'm too lazy to look it up..i'll see what i can do..

 

[curiouslez84]

My g/f and I'll be discussing BDSM tonight when we go to bed...I've been exploring around the site, kinda curious, and...well, anyway, we might experiment a bit...gotta talk it over with her first. We'll learn together.

But that av...it's kinda hot, like I said, and...well...it kinda turns me on.

So, anyway...to the compliments. You're welcome. ^_^

And yeah...Christina Ricci in chains does sound kinda hot, actually...

 

[curiouslez84]

Guess I posted that a little late...sorry, Strawberry & Life. LOL

 

[Life_Noir]

i am not sure what thread it was even in...i believe it was the distant domination support thread, but i'm too lazy to look it up..i'll see what i can do..

Like I said above..It's ok I found it.... ANd this might just be one we want to leave alone...Ok?

{all sarcasm aside dear....This translates as me trying to be nice and stop something before it gets nasty... "Nice" is a bit of a stretch for me generally.. And I'm only really good at it with a comitted pyl.. But I'm at a point in life where I'm willing to give it a shot occaisionally.. K?}

 

[UK_Strawberry]

Seriously...i don't understand the not wanting to "see" vast age differences...then don't fucking look...don't pay attention to older men...and don't return the advances if one comes on to you...but i'll be damned if i will let ANYONE tell me who i choose to be with is wrong.

I agree with you and my comments were in no way a suggestion of who you should or shouldn't see etc. And as I said in my previous posts it's just not for me - I was stating a preference thats all.

As for not wanting to look - as I said I have good reason.

Apologies if I offended in anyway.

 

[catalina_francisco]

heya cat! long time no debate yes, this is the same person i've mentioned in the other thread...as i said last night, it is a long drawn out story and i gave the basics. i KNOW he was not an innocent victim of circumstance, far from it. he CHOSE to go over there and do what he did. as far as him chickening out, well that's just my own theory of what happened. he says he went there solely to break in and scare him. and i agree whole heartedly that he should pay for what he done. none of those issues were what i had a problem with. it was the comment about people in a supermax not needing to be back out on the streets. yes, he made a HUGE mistake, made a very WRONG decision, and yes i suppose if he were to get out tomorrow, he may make the mistake again, but my guess knowing him the way i do, is that he would not.

my point was simply that because he committed this crime, does not mean he is a terrible human being and deserves to die, or never be let out into society again, and that even those people like him have family and friends and people who love them. it was just to switch it around and basically say, 'what if it was someone you cared about, would you feel the same?' i would never say he doesn't deserve to pay for the crime he committed, BUT he got 50 years for breaking into a house, while the person who actually did the murder and also was found guilty of 2 counts of conspiracy is only serving 15 more years than him. and all of this doesnt' matter in this 'taboo' thread so again, i'm going to stop here...basically, i agree with everything you said, i was just throwing out there that not ALL criminals that are in a supermax prison are terrible terrible people who are a threat to society.

I agree with you for the most....I have always felt people who end up on the wrong side of the law have a story to tell, a legitimate one, and often one which shows the shortcomings of our modern socity more so than deficiencies in their own character. I even think there are those who should never be put where they are for what they have done, like abused women who kill their abuser after decades of documented horrific abuse nothing was ever done about....sure they didn't have the right to take the life of another in theory, but for many it is the only option left after they have repeatedly left, moved, tried to assume new identities and still been tracked down by their abuser. As to the death penalty and this idea of throw away the key mentality, the judgemental accusation type response to anyone imprisoned, I also can't buy into it because so many people are pushed beyond what you and I can even imagine, and react in the only way they know how, or feel possible, in that moment....it could happen to all of us put in the wrong situation.

That being said though, I think it is important to look at the whole picture objectively and if someone has been in trouble with the law repeatedly, and have drug issues, they are not entirely innocent, nor are they going to be angels overnight and not reoffend as the proof of their repeated offences show already. It is good to support them if they are a friend, but also you need to protect yourself from being drained emotionally or any other way by someone who is not exactly as you would like to believe they are. As you said in the original post, he went to the house intending to do something to this guy that ended up dead in his own wheelchair...that shows someone with serious character flaws to even see it as being OK to do to someone he firstly didn't know, and secondly someone he knew was crippled and unable to defend himself...it is cowardly and self centered and I am not as sure as you he would not do it again under the right circumstances...if he learned that quick he wouldn't already have a history of offences. Be a friend, but once again rose, protect you and yours first. You have a big heart and I think often people take advantage of that without your realising.

Catalina

 

[Life_Noir]

I agree with you for the most....I have always felt people who end up on the wrong side of the law have a story to tell, a legitimate one, and often one which shows the shortcomings of our modern socity more so than deficiencies in their own character. I even think there are those who should never be put where they are for what they have done, like abused women who kill their abuser after decades of documented horrific abuse nothing was ever done about....sure they didn't have the right to take the life of another in theory, but for many it is the only option left after they have repeatedly left, moved, tried to assume new identities and still been tracked down by their abuser. As to the death penalty and this idea of throw away the key mentality, the judgemental accusation type response to anyone imprisoned, I also can't buy into it because so many people are pushed beyond what you and I can even imagine, and react in the only way they know how, or feel possible, in that moment....it could happen to all of us put in the wrong situation.

That being said though, I think it is important to look at the whole picture objectively and if someone has been in trouble with the law repeatedly, and have drug issues, they are not entirely innocent, nor are they going to be angels overnight and not reoffend as the proof of their repeated offences show already. It is good to support them if they are a friend, but also you need to protect yourself from being drained emotionally or any other way by someone who is not exactly as you would like to believe they are. As you said in the original post, he went to the house intending to do something to this guy that ended up dead in his own wheelchair...that shows someone with serious character flaws to even see it as being OK to do to someone he firstly didn't know, and secondly someone he knew was crippled and unable to defend himself...it is cowardly and self centered and I am not as sure as you he would not do it again under the right circumstances...if he learned that quick he wouldn't already have a history of offences. Be a friend, but once again rose, protect you and yours first. You have a big heart and I think often people take advantage of that without your realising.

Catalina

1: catalina_francisco has exceeded their stored private messages quota and can not accept further messages until they clear some space.

 

[Gil_T2]

The way I understood it... Via "60 Minutes" was that the Chinese replaced a firing squad with one bullet.. Back of the head, quick and clean.
This avoided chemical contamination, and electrical burns, and etc...
Legally, the execution has taken place as sentenced. The only possible change is that they deny that the convicted retains the right to dispose of the entirety of his/her remains.
Said convict, at the moment of being declared dead, is carried to a specially equipped ambulance...
This was the way they were doing it when I was reading about it/watching news reports on it.. The idea, is that they don't blur the line between execution and medecine.
Personally I've always thought that whole "lethal injection" soire' was a load of crap...

I was being considered for a kidney transplant but the fact came back I'd have less than a 40% chance of surviving it so have now chosen the years of dialysis as life expectancy is a lot longer but getting the kidney/ organs from the death row prisoners is something I see nothing wrong with at all except the fact I'm against the death sentence but if it exists go for it.
As for the right to a burial of the intact body by anyone is strange to me, can't see any point to it, YOU bloody dead why not do something for others, give them some sort of value to their lives & not just liviing on some machine waiting for death DONATE, DONATE, DONATE.

 

[Gil_T2]

To tell the truth while I approve of the death penalty this whole, keeping them alive until their organs are needed' thing is GROSS and GOULISH. I'm sorry EW. Beyond that, I'd think it'd be under 'unfair and unusual punishment'. It's bad enough to sit on death row, but to sit even longer waiting until someone needs your organs? I mean, just kill them and get it over with!

you don't need to worry as there are more waiting for body parts than there are ppl on death row.

 

[Gil_T2]

I once knew a 25 year old guy who had sex with his 26 year old sister on a regular basis. Not kinky sex, just very hot, very intimate, very fulfilling mainstream-style sex.

Though I consider intergenerational incest to be more than a bit troubling, the non-breeding sibling variety doesn't bother me at all.

Just fyi, and in case anyone is wondering - though my own sister has always been quite lovely, I have never viewed her as a sexual being or been aroused by her in any way. Looking back, I wonder why.

Is it the strong, ingrained taboo that precludes the attraction? Or simply nature's way of maintaining the health of the species? Or is it the habit and familiarity of childhood interactions, carried forward to color our interactions over time?

I do like the stories of family loving with age of consent not being an issue, meaning all are over the age. My sister has always been sexy but never had any desire for her so think it is more fantasy of the imaginary family member more than any real member for me.

 

[graceanne]

you're right, some will just never understand. For example, I think black skin against white skin is visually stunning and artistic. A lot of people would just curl their lip up and start bitching.

Age is a good one too. I know a girl (25ish) who is with a 60 yr old man. they get shit all the time, but they are really happy together. they don't let it bother them too much, but it annoys the hell out of me that people wont just let them be. grrr...

It just proves that even people who would consider themselves unpredudiced, ARE. Although, I've heard that black people also have problems with inter-racial relationships. *shrugs* I personally could care less, and if I'd fallen in love with a black man I'd have told my family to kiss my ass. Besides, my mom and dad wouldn't have cared. *shrugs* But, it wasn't an issue. I married a man so white he's PINK. lol

 

[graceanne]

you don't need to worry as there are more waiting for body parts than there are ppl on death row.

I know. I had a friend die waiting for a kidney.

 

[lil_slave_rose]

I agree with you for the most....I have always felt people who end up on the wrong side of the law have a story to tell, a legitimate one, and often one which shows the shortcomings of our modern socity more so than deficiencies in their own character. I even think there are those who should never be put where they are for what they have done, like abused women who kill their abuser after decades of documented horrific abuse nothing was ever done about....sure they didn't have the right to take the life of another in theory, but for many it is the only option left after they have repeatedly left, moved, tried to assume new identities and still been tracked down by their abuser. As to the death penalty and this idea of throw away the key mentality, the judgemental accusation type response to anyone imprisoned, I also can't buy into it because so many people are pushed beyond what you and I can even imagine, and react in the only way they know how, or feel possible, in that moment....it could happen to all of us put in the wrong situation.

That being said though, I think it is important to look at the whole picture objectively and if someone has been in trouble with the law repeatedly, and have drug issues, they are not entirely innocent, nor are they going to be angels overnight and not reoffend as the proof of their repeated offences show already. It is good to support them if they are a friend, but also you need to protect yourself from being drained emotionally or any other way by someone who is not exactly as you would like to believe they are. As you said in the original post, he went to the house intending to do something to this guy that ended up dead in his own wheelchair...that shows someone with serious character flaws to even see it as being OK to do to someone he firstly didn't know, and secondly someone he knew was crippled and unable to defend himself...it is cowardly and self centered and I am not as sure as you he would not do it again under the right circumstances...if he learned that quick he wouldn't already have a history of offences. Be a friend, but once again rose, protect you and yours first. You have a big heart and I think often people take advantage of that without your realising.

Catalina

*nods* i agree with most everything you said. and i do get taken advantage of very often and by the time i realize it, i'm already too far in to get out. as far as taking care of me and mine, most definantly. Jeremy isn't trying to take anything from me, except some of my time every other thursday when i go to see him and yea, he had a criminal history, but it was mostly drunk driving charges, nothing as huge as what he's locked up for now. He himself says he's not ready to come home just yet. *shrugs* he's got a longgggggg time to think about what he did, and while what he did was very wrong, he does have remorse and in the courtroom before he was sentenced he turned around and talked to the family of the victim and apologized for his part in it. and as he tells me all the time, this is something he has to wake up with everyday. but i'm not one to turn my back on a friend because of a mistake, especially a friend that's been there for me since i was 13. i did struggle with it for a while after it happened.

i know many who, if told someone was molesting a child, would do similar or exactly the same thing that he did just out of reaction. no, it doesn't make it right by no means, anyway, i think you got my point and for the most part we agree

 

[lil_slave_rose]

Like I said above..It's ok I found it.... ANd this might just be one we want to leave alone...Ok?

{all sarcasm aside dear....This translates as me trying to be nice and stop something before it gets nasty... "Nice" is a bit of a stretch for me generally.. And I'm only really good at it with a comitted pyl.. But I'm at a point in life where I'm willing to give it a shot occaisionally.. K?}

i wasn't trying to start anything that would get nasty, i was adding to the discussion just as everyone else was. that's all. and it happened to be comments that i felt strongly about so i put the other side out there....obviously we don't agree, and that's fine but we should be able to disagree without it getting nasty........

 

[Puman]

i wasn't trying to start anything that would get nasty, i was adding to the discussion just as everyone else was. that's all. and it happened to be comments that i felt strongly about so i put the other side out there....obviously we don't agree, and that's fine but we should be able to disagree without it getting nasty........

...and that's what 'discussion' is all about, no? There's always more than one side to a story and thank you for sharing yours...

 

[h_i_s]

Read the whole thread. Had more than a few points I could have made along the way, forgot a few of them by the time I read the last post... and most of those i do remember, hit too close to home .. are sore subjects perhaps.. so, wiser to skip those entirely.

But.... food for thought, (worth mentioning because no one else pointed it out in this way)
On the subject of whether a death row inmate should or should not receive an organ transplant:

One of the many conciderations given when a person is selected or denied the opportunity to receive a transplant is 'life expectancy' postop. Those with a lessened probability of survival and those expected to survive a lesser number of years (no.. i don't know the numbers offhand) are passed over. They don't get the organs.

It is my opinion, based on my experience and based on what i have learned so far in a 'close to home way'.... Giving the death row inmate [who realistly speaking may only be expected to be ALLOWED to live another week/month/year/decade]an organ is a WASTE of a good organ when there are those people not expected to be executed in the near future... who DO NEED the organ and will be expected to benefit from that organ for years and decades even.

So... anyway...

I doubt that it will ever be likely that anyone on death row will be accepted as an organ recipient.... unless the gov suddenly decides to become very relaxed in their rules and how they run the organ donor/recipient programs.

Only other opinion I'll touch of this subject: If it were up to me.. I'd have no issue.. I'd say HELL yes! GIVE US that death row inmates heart if they choose to donate it ... but only if the donor is giving that organ FREELY .. aka of their own choice. Harvesting of organs in absense of complete consent is wrong, for me. I don't care if it's from a mass murderer or a rapist or a pedofile or sociopath. Organs are flesh which keep the body alive...... not the SOUL. Last I heard they aren't including souls with the organs... and if there were any chance I'd believe there might be some possibility of some kind of evil being transfered, I'm betting on origin being of the soul and not the flesh.

Age play: He's 11 years my senior..... younger men or men to close to my own age don't do it for me. When I wrote the profile that He read when he found me... that preference of mine was clearly stated.

Interracial: Hot. I don't have any issue with that either. Prior to being owned, I dated people and enjoyed long term relationships with people of other races. Family and friends took issue with it and were promptly and clearly reminded of my adult status, and told to mind their own business and get over it or go fuck themselves.

Same sex relationships: Hot, too. I'm bi. I've been with and enjoyed intimate relations with other females.... and look back on the experiences fondly and with no regrets. This is the only thing about me that I'm not entirely 'out' to family about. It's none of their business and if they stumble across the info or ask... they'll be told. If they react in a negative manner at all... they'll be told to get over it or go fuck themselves. Friends are aware.

Life is too short to live by other people's insecurities.

 

[h_i_s]

RE: Organ Donation

Heaven can't use them and God knows we NEED them here. Don't take them with you. Sign up. Donate.

Importantly: Talk about your views regarding organ donation with family and spouses.... even if you are signed up and have your wishes to donate your organs clearly marked on your license. If your family isn't certain of your desires and beliefs they can contest and deny at the time of death. Such an all too common and sad fact of life regarding the subject.

NOTE:At the Jan '07 NELA Fetish Flea in Boston, I had the pleasure of meeting Mistress Pandora, Miss World leather 2004, whose platform is "Organ Donor Awareness". I spent a couple of hours in her company discussing the subject, and Master was able to meet her later that evening as well. She was very helpful.. I was able to discuss our health issues vs our M/s relationship with someone who understands both... such a rare opportunity. I left her feeling like our meeting was destiny of some sort. She's akin to a saint of some sort in my eyes...... can't explain... wish i could. here's her link for any curious or any who may have use... etc http://mistresspandora.com/platform.html

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u274/h-i-s/DonateLife.jpg http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u274/h-i-s/donatelifeheart.jpg ​

 

[Life_Noir]

i wasn't trying to start anything that would get nasty, i was adding to the discussion just as everyone else was. that's all. and it happened to be comments that i felt strongly about so i put the other side out there....obviously we don't agree, and that's fine but we should be able to disagree without it getting nasty........

*sigh*
No dear... Hmmmm... Drop me a PM and I'll explain..
You might be surprised.

 

[Betticus]

My g/f and I'll be discussing BDSM tonight when we go to bed...I've been exploring around the site, kinda curious, and...well, anyway, we might experiment a bit...gotta talk it over with her first. We'll learn together.

But that av...it's kinda hot, like I said, and...well...it kinda turns me on.

So, anyway...to the compliments. You're welcome. ^_^

And yeah...Christina Ricci in chains does sound kinda hot, actually...

Since you are here and reading. I want to discuss another taboo sort of thing that personally twists a lot of my own kinky buttons.

Dominating, being the Dom of a lesbian woman. Doesn't have to be sexual for everyone but for me, yeah it does. That's just me though.

I'll discuss it more later but I want to get some feedback.

 

[Chris_Xavier]

Since you are here and reading. I want to discuss another taboo sort of thing that personally twists a lot of my own kinky buttons.

Dominating, being the Dom of a lesbian woman. Doesn't have to be sexual for everyone but for me, yeah it does. That's just me though.

I'll discuss it more later but I want to get some feedback.

Isn't that kind of impossible? By definition, a lesbian isn't going to let a man be her PYL (or so logic would dictate).

 

[neonflux]

Isn't that kind of impossible? By definition, a lesbian isn't going to let a man be her PYL (or so logic would dictate).

Not at all... I am a queer woman (not lesbian), but I know more than one lesbian Domme who occasionally enjoys being topped by a man. I switch but am learning that I am pretty much dominant with a strong masochistic streak. Explanation: I like the pain, but not the submission, which is quite different from obedience. While I enjoy topping both men and women, I'd rather be topped by a man when I want to feel those sensations - less of the psychologocial domination that women are so good, more of the purely physical...

Re: the taboo aspect... talking about this in many lesbian circles would be taboo. (WELL KNOWN SECRET: many lesbians occasionally have sex with men and still define themselves as lesbian. Sshhhhhhh! Don't tell anyone!)

Neon

 

[Chris_Xavier]

Not at all... I am a queer woman (not lesbian)

What's the difference? (serious question, not trying to be an ass for once)

Re: the taboo aspect... talking about this in many lesbian circles would be taboo. (WELL KNOWN SECRET: many lesbians occasionally have sex with men and still define themselves as lesbian. Sshhhhhhh! Don't tell anyone!)

Again, forgive the obtuseness, but why is that distinction so important? I recalling seeing an episode of Real Sex on HBO where a woman who had stated she was a lesbian give her partner's strap on a bj - I'd imagine the phallic nature of strap on would have a negative connotation in the lesbian domain.