Taboo...is it something you are ok with here?

[jayisthemasternow]

I was wondering what your thought are on stories involving force and incest? Are those kind of stories even legal and allowed here if the subjects are over 18?

 

[lovecraft68]

I was wondering what your thought are on stories involving force and incest? Are those kind of stories even legal and allowed here if the subjects are over 18?

As long as they are 18 you can write incest and by force I am assuming rape?

There is a rule it is supposed to be more along the line of reluctance (victim must enjoy it at some point) but its rarely enforced so have at it, just make sure they are 18

Now if you mean forced incest? Again you can do it if they are of age, but fair warning, incest has a bit of "honor amongst thieves" mentality and non con in incest does not generally go over well. I caught shit for consensual rough sex in mine

 

[jayisthemasternow]

As long as they are 18 you can write incest and by force I am assuming rape?

There is a rule it is supposed to be more along the line of reluctance (victim must enjoy it at some point) but its rarely enforced so have at it, just make sure they are 18

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. I guess reluctance would be a better term.

 

[jayisthemasternow]

Now if you mean forced incest? Again you can do it if they are of age, but fair warning, incest has a bit of "honor amongst thieves" mentality and non con in incest does not generally go over well. I caught shit for consensual rough sex in mine

What kind of problem did you run into?

 

[allamagione]

I was wondering what your thought are on stories involving force and incest?

My thoughts can be summed up in one word. GIMME.

 

[lovecraft68]

What kind of problem did you run into?

Basically I caught flak for the brother and sister engaging in rough borderline violent sex, especially in the first chapter. I was told I was sick which made me laugh, its okay for incest, but not rough incest?

So they like their fantasy sex light and fluffy, my theory is because coercion of any type kind of reflects what incest is in real life and it sours the fun little fantasy for them.

I received one classic comment "My good sir, that is no way for a loving brother to treat his big sister!

Here check it out if you want.

http://www.literotica.com/s/siblings-with-benefits-ch-01

pardon the spotty grammar its four years old at this point and my third story here.

 

[Darkniciad]

If those two things are combined, expect low ratings and acidic feedback. The largest part of incest readers despise non-con, and the non-con readers despise incest.

Just like anything else, there's a readership for it here, but they're drowned out and beat down by the detractors. You need to be prepared for that before you post.

 

[VenusButterflies]

If those two things are combined, expect low ratings and acidic feedback. The largest part of incest readers despise non-con, and the non-con readers despise incest.

Just like anything else, there's a readership for it here, but they're drowned out and beat down by the detractors. You need to be prepared for that before you post.

Eh. I've thrown noncon/reluctance into my incest and incest into my noncon. Some people complained about the noncon/reluctance in the incest story, but I actually received more complaints about the sharing (daddy shared daughter with friend) -- that surprised me.

 

[allamagione]

If you're going to combine the two, you could always put a warning in an author's note at the beginning.

Not that this will deter those who make a sport of being offended. But it could save you some 1-bombs and vitriol.

 

[allamagione]

Eh. I've thrown noncon/reluctance into my incest and incest into my noncon. Some people complained about the noncon/reluctance in the incest story, but I actually received more complaints about the sharing (daddy shared daughter with friend) -- that surprised me.

Clearly I need to spend this evening browsing your submissions page.

 

[lovecraft68]

Eh. I've thrown noncon/reluctance into my incest and incest into my noncon. Some people complained about the noncon/reluctance in the incest story, but I actually received more complaints about the sharing (daddy shared daughter with friend) -- that surprised me.

Ah yes, another faction of incest. The it should only be family crowd. I think this is the faction that wants there to be more than sex. They want daddy and daughter to be in love and he couldn't truly love his daughter if he shares her. (what logic, huh?)

I find a lot of the incest readership enjoys the romantic angle as much as the taboo sex. Personally that is my kink. I like the incest one on one and beyond just "Wow look at mom's tits, I should fuck her"

Just like there is a faction that loves full family sex as in all members joining in and others like me who want one on one. Its hard enough to try to make a realistic reason that two family members would have sex never mind the whole clan.

I took a shot at a "non sexy" daddy/daughter story that I think may have non con elements in a way. The choice was hers, but the circumstances were...not thrilling. I expected to be flamed as I was going for disturbing and it had the feel of what "real incest" might be down to the daughter being appalled during.

Surprisingly it did well and most feedback was favorable.

here it is if anyone is interested.

http://www.literotica.com/s/that-damn-red-dress

 

[Hypoxia]

My THE BOOK OF RUTH story cycle (especially the piece I'll post next) includes 'soft' non-con incest -- an older sister ties up and non-violently arouses and abuses her brother. In my BLACK & WHITE stories, I include interracial incest, another boundary-crosser. All have been well-received. I do NOT plan to write incest stories of power asymmetry, where kinfolk are forced into sex. Not my thang. I *do* plan to write more tales of inadvertent incest, like THAT'S MY GIRL and the BLACK & WHITE stories, where those involved don't know their relationship before they start. And I'll try to write more weird incest pieces like BIG BANANA. (Warning: gastropod sex!)

 

[JKendallDane]

Its hard enough to try to make a realistic reason that two family members would have sex never mind the whole clan.

You have obviously never been to a family reunion in West Virginia.

Gotta have something to do in between the still tour and waiting for your turn at horseshoes.

 

[VenusButterflies]

Clearly I need to spend this evening browsing your submissions page.

Lol Be my guest. I hope you enjoy!

 

[VenusButterflies]

Ah yes, another faction of incest. The it should only be family crowd. I think this is the faction that wants there to be more than sex. They want daddy and daughter to be in love and he couldn't truly love his daughter if he shares her. (what logic, huh?)

Yeah, and I was going to bring that story to a whole other fucked up level involving the father's friend, which I have a feeling few there would enjoy. I still might write it, but I got sidetracked.

The romantic angle is interesting -- it's as though there needs to be a legit reason for the incest, such as romantic love. But I suppose it would make sense to have to have a strong enough reason such as romantic love, in order to be compelled to cross the line.

 

[lovecraft68]

Yeah, and I was going to bring that story to a whole other fucked up level involving the father's friend, which I have a feeling few there would enjoy. I still might write it, but I got sidetracked.

The romantic angle is interesting -- it's as though there needs to be a legit reason for the incest, such as romantic love. But I suppose it would make sense to have to have a strong enough reason such as romantic love, in order to be compelled to cross the line.

Going back to it being a light and fluffy crowd....

I have several mother son stories here and they do well I would say average score is 4.7 and above.

But one is 4.52 the lowest by far. That one "Mama's Boy" features the father still in the picture(most of mine dad is dead or divorced) and is a raging and abusive alcoholic. During the story he is verbally abusive to the mother degrading and humiliating her and slaps the son for sticking up for her.

Now of course his treatment of her is a catalyst for her and the son being together(this is the only story I did where the incest was already going on, I do not do their first time) but point is its lower scored because it had some depressing real life shit in it.

They like it fun.

 

[allamagione]

Yeah, and I was going to bring that story to a whole other fucked up level involving the father's friend, which I have a feeling few there would enjoy. I still might write it, but I got sidetracked.

Tease!

I thoroughly enjoyed Bill, Clara & Co.

 

[PayDay]

Taboo is not Incest. This point should be cleared up.

 

[lovecraft68]

Taboo is not Incest. This point should be cleared up.

By definition, no its not exclusively incest. Taboo is different things to different people. Interracial can be taboo for instance. Some see anal sex as taboo etc....

But the site has pretty much defined it here as taboo because everything in that category is incest. If you wrote an interracial story and tried to put it there, it will be moved. So for lit.....taboo equals incest.

Also in pretty much the entire porn world that is the case. You say taboo in porn and its "Oh, incest! Kay Parker"

Honestly that movie years ago was the beginning of taboo being referenced mostly as incest in not just porn but society. Many people know of that movie even if they have not seen it.

 

[VenusButterflies]

Going back to it being a light and fluffy crowd....

I have several mother son stories here and they do well I would say average score is 4.7 and above.

But one is 4.52 the lowest by far. That one "Mama's Boy" features the father still in the picture(most of mine dad is dead or divorced) and is a raging and abusive alcoholic. During the story he is verbally abusive to the mother degrading and humiliating her and slaps the son for sticking up for her.

Now of course his treatment of her is a catalyst for her and the son being together(this is the only story I did where the incest was already going on, I do not do their first time) but point is its lower scored because it had some depressing real life shit in it.

They like it fun.

4.52 is still good though! But I do feel like that should have scored higher, given your track record -- you've got a whole white knight thing going on with the son, which is definitely romantic. I haven't read it, but from the premise alone I would imagine the intensity between the mother and the son to be that much greater because of how the father is, and therefore a sort of relief.

People are just strange. I wonder why they like it light and fluffy and fun, why that's a "thing" for them.

For me, unless I'm looking for a particular type of erotica, if a story is good, it's good. Just because it doesn't have, for example, elements of D/s in it, that won't make me rate it lower if it's worthy of a high score. But people rate things based on very personal expectations, and get mad if you don't give them what they want. Some will throw everything else out the window based on that alone.

 

[VenusButterflies]

Tease!

I thoroughly enjoyed Bill, Clara & Co.

Thank you!

 

[lovecraft68]

4.52 is still good though! But I do feel like that should have scored higher, given your track record -- you've got a whole white knight thing going on with the son, which is definitely romantic. I haven't read it, but from the premise alone I would imagine the intensity between the mother and the son to be that much greater because of how the father is, and therefore a sort of relief.

People are just strange. I wonder why they like it light and fluffy and fun, why that's a "thing" for them.

For me, unless I'm looking for a particular type of erotica, if a story is good, it's good. Just because it doesn't have, for example, elements of D/s in it, that won't make me rate it lower if it's worthy of a high score. But people rate things based on very personal expectations, and get mad if you don't give them what they want. Some will throw everything else out the window based on that alone.

Like I said earlier in the thread, my theory on this is that incest readers are a little sensitive with their kink. Most are anon because let's face it, it is the squickiest topic in general here.

So I think that they are defensive of their fantasy and do not want to be reminded of what incest is in "real life" and in real life it is usally non consensual. Rape, child abuse, sexual abuse, molestation, that is what r/l incest is and they don;t want to be associated with that.

Even "darker" story lines get to them because fact is in real life it would take some serious issues to get siblings to gravitate towards each other in that way and if we are discussing real life I cannot fathom what would lead a parent to be sexually involved with thei child.

So I think any form of "reality" check gets them going.

I see some of that in non con comments. Even though its a non con section when there are stories that are "true rape" they get a lot of heat. Because since there was no enjoyment it does not read like a harmless fantasy anymore, but the actual crime and the majority of the crowd there do not want to be associated with what real rape is. So again a wake up call of sorts.

This is a fantasy site, we don't want none of your reality here!

 

[PayDay]

By definition, no its not exclusively incest. Taboo is different things to different people. Interracial can be taboo for instance. Some see anal sex as taboo etc....

But the site has pretty much defined it here as taboo because everything in that category is incest. If you wrote an interracial story and tried to put it there, it will be moved. So for lit.....taboo equals incest.

Also in pretty much the entire porn world that is the case. You say taboo in porn and its "Oh, incest! Kay Parker"

Honestly that movie years ago was the beginning of taboo being referenced mostly as incest in not just porn but society. Many people know of that movie even if they have not seen it.

Not so fast

Taboo: Hot step sister.
Incest: Hot sister

You can write a hot step something story and put it in EC and it will not be moved.

Taboo is awkward by social custom. "prohibited"

Incest is sexual relations between two individuals so closely related that their marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom. "unchaste"

Just because writers of porn on this site do not take advantage of the full diversity of the category titles does not mean that for "Lit... taboo = incest" .

Also, I dunno if you have the authority to speak for the entire porn world

 

[VenusButterflies]

Like I said earlier in the thread, my theory on this is that incest readers are a little sensitive with their kink. Most are anon because let's face it, it is the squickiest topic in general here.

So I think that they are defensive of their fantasy and do not want to be reminded of what incest is in "real life" and in real life it is usally non consensual. Rape, child abuse, sexual abuse, molestation, that is what r/l incest is and they don;t want to be associated with that.

Even "darker" story lines get to them because fact is in real life it would take some serious issues to get siblings to gravitate towards each other in that way and if we are discussing real life I cannot fathom what would lead a parent to be sexually involved with thei child.

So I think any form of "reality" check gets them going.

I see some of that in non con comments. Even though its a non con section when there are stories that are "true rape" they get a lot of heat. Because since there was no enjoyment it does not read like a harmless fantasy anymore, but the actual crime and the majority of the crowd there do not want to be associated with what real rape is. So again a wake up call of sorts.

This is a fantasy site, we don't want none of your reality here!

The Marquis de Sade would probably fare poorly here, ironically.

 

[lovecraft68]

Not so fast

Taboo: Hot step sister.
Incest: Hot sister

You can write a hot step something story and put it in EC and it will not be moved.

Taboo is awkward by social custom. "prohibited"

Incest is sexual relations between two individuals so closely related that their marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom. "unchaste"

Just because writers of porn on this site do not take advantage of the full diversity of the category titles does not mean that for "Lit... taboo = incest" .

Also, I dunno if you have the authority to speak for the entire porn world

I did not say I was speaking for the porn world. But you can play a game if you would like. Ask random people "What does taboo mean in porn" see what their first idea is.