T.I.P.S program will not have a database.

[HeavyStick]

Ashcroft testified today in an open meeting that the TIPS program would not be a database as first feared.

1. A tip is provided, local agencies investigate as appropriate.

2. If the tip is fruitful (leading to immediate arrest) it is maintained as evidence.

3. If the tip is false or no need for further purposes the info is treated the same way as the investigating agency does with all other non arrest tips.

I have no internet reference for this, I am watching CNN and it may be on thier website.

 

[Laurel]

I bet Joe McCarthy didn't have a "database" either.

 

[alltherage]

honestly. do we need to have a formal program to report suspicious activity. if, tommorrow, i am riding down the street and i see some men loading a rider truck with something that looks remotely like a bomb i think i might report it. i would hope the mailman would as would the cable guy. i dont want to encourage snooping and thats what tips does. are we so paranoid that we need this level of
observation on each other.

hope not. ashcroft is scary. he is a fascist without knowing he is. god he scares the helll out of me. and by god he lost his last election try to a dead man. god free daniel that is bazarre.

 

[HeavyStick]

I brought this up because in other threads privacy is a big concern and many people were worried it would be a big database to spoy and continue to spy and collect dirt on individuals.


as far as it being a formal program, we'll have to wait and see.

Hopefully it's not too much more than a "neighborhood watch initiative"

 

[Lost Cause]

I Really Want To Trust Them...

But I look at the gov'ts track record. all report info is not written on paper, it's entered into a computer, which goes to a database, where it stays until/if deleted.
(Brief examples)

#1 When you buy a handgun, and the fed records clear you, by law, they are supposed to delete that record within something like 90 days. Well, we found out they aren't doing that in violation of the law!

#2 The social security number by law, was not suppose to be a form of identification, try to get a job without it, or prove your identity.

#3 Your drivers license is not identification by law, but try renting a video, writing a check..etc.

Now I know, someones going to say "but we're at war!' which gives all kind of excuses on why they piss on the Bill of Rights, and Constitution.

And like I said, I WANT to trust them, but their track record of going around law is well documented, it will take a lot to make me trust them again.

 

[HeavyStick]

Re: I Really Want To Trust Them...

But I look at the gov'ts track record. all report info is not written on paper, it's entered into a computer, which goes to a database, where it stays until/if deleted.
(Brief examples)

#1 When you buy a handgun, and the fed records clear you, by law, they are supposed to delete that record within something like 90 days. Well, we found out they aren't doing that in violation of the law!

#2 The social security number by law, was not suppose to be a form of identification, try to get a job without it, or prove your identity.

#3 Your drivers license is not identification by law, but try renting a video, writing a check..etc.

Now I know, someones going to say "but we're at war!' which gives all kind of excuses on why they piss on the Bill of Rights, and Constitution.

And like I said, I WANT to trust them, but their track record of going around law is well documented, it will take a lot to make me trust them again.

1. To be a valid point please state specifics. I am a supporter of the 2nd Amendment and at the same time I think it is a very important tool to be able to tell where a gun is.

2. SSN is needed for the proper payment of taxes on your behalf. I do disagree (you didn't gring this up) when I have to enter my SSN for account balances or as verification.

3. You're correct your license is not required and in most states not even your property. But if you provided a service such as video rentals. How would you want to ensure you got these back.

Being on a database is not a bad thing. It's how things get done with that database that need to be regulated and monitored..

Now as far as you saying " But I look at the gov'ts track record. all report info is not written on paper, it's entered into a computer, which goes to a database, where it stays until/if deleted. "

this is something almost every police dept in the country does.

What Ashcroft was saying is that a National Database WOULD NOT BE IMPLEMENTED.

As far as any other database having info on you you have the right to request and see what that is and it is Federal law as to what they have.


http://www.foia.com/

you can also use the Freedom of Information Act to gain access to records of all sorts