Swinging

[SweetGigi]

Tonight Carlos comes home from Mexico City and once he arrives, we will get a late supper and then we will be attending a Swing Club here in the city. I have never been to an exclusive swing club before and I am extremely nervous. My task for the evening will be to find a suitable female sub and seduce her. After seducing her, we will bring her back with us to 'have our way with her'. Again, I am TOTALLY nervous. I need help in calming myself down, gathering advice on how to conduct myself while at the club, and how exactly to seduce a woman for him. I am NOT bisexual, and I'm not in ANY way attracted to women (other than being able to admire the female form from a far) so I am worried the lack of these traits will inhibit me in my search and seduction. Can anyone help me?? Please??


*bites nails*

 

[EmpressFi]

I really cant help you with that..

I'm like you in that I can admire women, I even find some attractive, but other than kissing my friend once, I havent really felt an attraction strong enough to act on it. Master teases me about finding a woman for us to share and the minute he says it, I panic.. so I can imagine your feelings.. but I dont really have advice

 

[FuckMeEyes]

Treat them like a guy you would seduce, except tell her things you want to hear instead of what you would assume a guy wants to hear.

The bisexual women I've known don't change their approach for men and women. It's as if gender has been replaced by either hardness or softness. There are definitely differences, but that's what I've seen and heard as their own mindsets.

 

[Netzach]

I'm not into this scene, but I know enough of it to get how it generally works. My impression is, at most places, that people are very much there to sport fuck and that this should not be hard, it's like asking someone to dance. It's like hooking up for a flogging in a public dungeon or at a party - and people tend to do it for the "safety in numbers" factor as much as liking to fuck lots of people. There are rules, generally, discouraging dickhole behavior, "ask to touch" and that kind of thing, find out what they are at your event.

Getting her to come home with you seems like the hard part, I am not the kind of person who would go over to the place of people I don't know from adam, and don't they usually have rooms in which you could do your thing there? I'd be pretty adamant that if hottie wants his way with me in this kind of environment, he can do it there.

I'd also be very nervous about seducing someone I will inherently not be attracted to, this seldom works like it does in porn. If it's going to work though, it may work there.

I'm trying to get my head wrapped around this, being often assumed to exist to break straight sub girls into the ways of women. It's not something I find endearing in people making that assumption, but there are plenty of horny slutty folk who really don't care *why* people want to rub body parts on them and fuck them, God love 'em. My advice would be nice, cute, endearing, upbeat and just chat someone up normally. She knows why you're there and she's there for the same thing, probably. Just bond normally. I don't think there's anything I expect in the way of lines or behaviors out of the ordinary from girls, just friendliness, being in a lesbian environment and hotness work well for me. But I generally have dealt with women who find me attractive at a modicum if they're approaching me.

Then you have the "now that we caught it, what are we going to DO with it" factor.

 

[intothewoods]

Tonight Carlos comes home from Mexico City and once he arrives, we will get a late supper and then we will be attending a Swing Club here in the city. I have never been to an exclusive swing club before and I am extremely nervous. My task for the evening will be to find a suitable female sub and seduce her. After seducing her, we will bring her back with us to 'have our way with her'. Again, I am TOTALLY nervous. I need help in calming myself down, gathering advice on how to conduct myself while at the club, and how exactly to seduce a woman for him. I am NOT bisexual, and I'm not in ANY way attracted to women (other than being able to admire the female form from a far) so I am worried the lack of these traits will inhibit me in my search and seduction. Can anyone help me?? Please??


*bites nails*

Wait, is this a swing club or a bdsm club? How will you know if she's a sub? Are you just finding someone for him to shag? Assuming this is the case...

Well, the hardest thing will be that you're going to a swing club, and that could mean any number of people will show up. How "exclusive" is this? I went to one swing party, sort of as a joke, didn't do anything sexual, but had an entertaining time talking to people. Anyway, I wouldn't sleep with any of the guests at that party if you paid me. A lot of money. I went to another party that was about 10 people, very exclusive. This was when I was new to bdsm, and I went with someone because I was curious. The people there were all ridiculously hot, but mostly bi men. I really wasn't into it though, so I haven't been back.

Just assessing the type of people who attend bdsm functions around me. There are some very, very (did I say very?) open bi-types, who will pretty much do anything at any time. As long as you're nice and cute and flirtatious, they're open! These types should be your target, because straight girls are way too hard to seduce. I mean, Jesus, you have a vagina, not a faberge egg.

The other issue is Carlos. I've never seen a pic - is he hot? Is he charming? Do women swoon for him? You're pretty much selling your boyfriend, so think about his good points. And tell him to play it cool, and not act like a horny dog. I mean, in your most deferential, subby voice, of course.

 

[SweetGigi]

.......

 

[ltnsfr007]

That's easy Gigi-

Drinks, drinks & more drinks

BTW I'm disapointed in you

 

[SweetGigi]

...Getting her to come home with you seems like the hard part, I am not the kind of person who would go over to the place of people I don't know from adam, and don't they usually have rooms in which you could do your thing there? I'd be pretty adamant that if hottie wants his way with me in this kind of environment, he can do it there.....

You know, I probably misunderstood him. More than likely we will be conducting things there, not bring her back with us. I didn't think of it in this light. Thanks for bringing it up.

.....I'd also be very nervous about seducing someone I will inherently not be attracted to, this seldom works like it does in porn. If it's going to work though, it may work there....

Yeah this is something that I'm worried about too. He has reassured me that she will be someone that we both find attractive, so that should help.

.....I'm trying to get my head wrapped around this, being often assumed to exist to break straight sub girls into the ways of women. It's not something I find endearing in people making that assumption, but there are plenty of horny slutty folk who really don't care *why* people want to rub body parts on them and fuck them, God love 'em.....

I don't think he is trying to convert me persay, I do think that he is exploring how far I can and am willing to go. (sorta like Marquis thread in the talk forum) He loves me as I am... but I know he wants desperately to be with me and another.

My advice would be nice, cute, endearing, upbeat and just chat someone up normally. She knows why you're there and she's there for the same thing, probably. Just bond normally. I don't think there's anything I expect in the way of lines or behaviors out of the ordinary from girls, just friendliness, being in a lesbian environment and hotness work well for me. But I generally have dealt with women who find me attractive at a modicum if they're approaching me.

Hehe, thanks, Netz. This helps.

Then you have the "now that we caught it, what are we going to DO with it" factor.

Yeah, what then? HAHAHA

 

[ecstaticsub]

Something else to keep in mind--ALL the swingers I know swing as a couple. (at least at clubs) Sometimes the husband sits back and watches but they stick together. There is a very good chance the husband/bf will want at the very least to watch.

 

[SweetGigi]

Wait, is this a swing club or a bdsm club? How will you know if she's a sub? Are you just finding someone for him to shag? Assuming this is the case...

Well, the hardest thing will be that you're going to a swing club, and that could mean any number of people will show up. How "exclusive" is this? I went to one swing party, sort of as a joke, didn't do anything sexual, but had an entertaining time talking to people. Anyway, I wouldn't sleep with any of the guests at that party if you paid me. A lot of money. I went to another party that was about 10 people, very exclusive. This was when I was new to bdsm, and I went with someone because I was curious. The people there were all ridiculously hot, but mostly bi men. I really wasn't into it though, so I haven't been back.

Just assessing the type of people who attend bdsm functions around me. There are some very, very (did I say very?) open bi-types, who will pretty much do anything at any time. As long as you're nice and cute and flirtatious, they're open! These types should be your target, because straight girls are way too hard to seduce. I mean, Jesus, you have a vagina, not a faberge egg.

The other issue is Carlos. I've never seen a pic - is he hot? Is he charming? Do women swoon for him? You're pretty much selling your boyfriend, so think about his good points. And tell him to play it cool, and not act like a horny dog. I mean, in your most deferential, subby voice, of course.

*giggles* ITW, you always have a way of lightening my mood in the best ways. *hugs* Thanks!!

It is an extremely exclusive Swing Club here in the heart of Midtown at Atlanta. So exclusive in fact that the residential (yes I said residential) neighborhood it is located in has no idea it is a Swing Club. Carlos is a regular member and has been so for a number of years.

This isn't just me 'finding someone for him to shag. It is me finding someone for 'us' to shag. My first time with all this, so I hope he is gentle.

Yeah I think it will be easier to find a cuite bi girl rather than tyring to convert another straight-y like me.

And just for the record, Carlos is one hot papi. Ask Viv and FF. (Homburg's seen him too but I don't think he's gonna say Carlos is hot) He is part German, part Mexican. He has this European suave-ness combined with the sexy confidence of Latin men. *Licks lips* He knows how to work it... he's got it all under control.

 

[SweetGigi]

That's easy Gigi-

Drinks, drinks & more drinks

BTW I'm disapointed in you

You know I don't drink.... silly boy.


And why are you disappointed in me, mister?

 

[ltnsfr007]

You know I don't drink.... silly boy.


And why are you disappointed in me, mister?

Hahaha, YOU needs help ?

 

[SweetGigi]

Something else to keep in mind--ALL the swingers I know swing as a couple. (at least at clubs) Sometimes the husband sits back and watches but they stick together. There is a very good chance the husband/bf will want at the very least to watch.

See, this is something that worries me. I DO NOT want to be with another man right now. I just feel like my devotion and focus needs to be on Carlos, not some other woman's man. (in anyway) So I'm not sure how we are gonna get around this if at all. :/

 

[SweetGigi]

Hahaha, YOU needs help ?

we all need guidance sometimes, babydoll. I'm just smart enough to ask when I need it.


*lick*

Now, see if you and one of your girls were gonna be there, I'd have NO problems at all.

 

[catalina_francisco]

My only advice is to remember safer sex practices. It would be a shame to go along with something you really weren't enjoying that much due to not being bi, but wanting to seem to please him, only to find out you contracted a nice dose of herpes (or something else) from unprotected oral sex with another female (or male)...sort of takes away any hotness which might have been present real quick, and is a lasting legacy of one careless moment. Too late afterward to think about the consequences.

Catalina

 

[SweetGigi]

My only advice is to remember safer sex practices. It would be a shame to go along with something you really weren't enjoying that much due to not being bi, but wanting to seem to please him, only to find out you contracted a nice dose of herpes (or something else) from unprotected oral sex with another female (or male)...sort of takes away any hotness which might have been present real quick, and is a lasting legacy of one careless moment. Too late afterward to think about the consequences.

Catalina

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more with you here. I plan on talking with Carlos about this tonight at dinner.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more with you here. I plan on talking with Carlos about this tonight at dinner.

Dental dams (or modified condoms) can be your best friend.

Catalina

 

[00Syd]

I don't have any advice but when I first read your post I was sure you meant a swing club as in "swing dancing" and was totally confused until I read it again and was like "oh yeah, duh, literotica.com"

 

[FurryFury]

I'm really confused.

I'm not sure why a Dom with your best interests in mind, rather than his own selfishness, would tell you (someone who has NO bi or lesbian interests) to do this.

I've read on another thread that you have always been poly but you also say, in this thread, that you have no interest in another man.

Good luck regardless.

I'm just really confused. I don't expect this task to lead to anything good for you in the long run. I hear poly where the Dom is into it and the sub is not doesn't work out well.

 

[BiBunny]

I'm really confused.

I'm not sure why a Dom with your best interests in mind, rather than his own selfishness, would tell you (someone who has NO bi or lesbian interests) to do this.

I've read on another thread that you have always been poly but you also say, in this thread, that you have no interest in another man.

Good luck regardless.

I'm just really confused. I don't expect this task to lead to anything good for you in the long run. I hear poly where the Dom is into it and the sub is not doesn't work out well.

Yeah. I read all the responses and wondered why nobody was saying, "This is a really bad idea if you sit back and think about it for 2.5 seconds." Not to mention rather insulting to women who really do like other women.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I read all the responses and wondered why nobody was saying, "This is a really bad idea if you sit back and think about it for 2.5 seconds." Not to mention rather insulting to women who really do like other women.

Cause invariably, when such remarks are made, whoever makes them often gets jumped on unfortunately. Limits discussion and freedom of expression, but there you go.

Catalina

 

[BiBunny]

Cause invariably, when such remarks are made, whoever makes them often gets jumped on unfortunately. Limits discussion and freedom of expression, but there you go.

Catalina

Heh. I'm used to it.

 

[ShyGuy68]

I don't have any helpful suggestions, can only say that I wish it was me you would be hitting on ...

 

[snowbyte]

Yeah. I read all the responses and wondered why nobody was saying, "This is a really bad idea if you sit back and think about it for 2.5 seconds."

As someone said earlier, I would see this as an opportunity to push one of a sub's limits. At least, that would be my intent. The fact that it involves sexual interaction with a third party does make it a bit dicier and does increase the chance of unintended trauma to the relationship.

But, then again, so would forcing her to listen to Schoenberg's less-than-tonal music for two hours straight, bound and alone in a dark room.

 

[BiBunny]

As someone said earlier, I would see this as an opportunity to push one of a sub's limits. At least, that would be my intent. The fact that it involves sexual interaction with a third party does make it a bit dicier and does increase the chance of unintended trauma to the relationship.

But, then again, so would forcing her to listen to Schoenberg's less-than-tonal music for two hours straight, bound and alone in a dark room.

That's a mighty big limit to push, what, two weeks into the relationship. Honestly, as a bisexual woman, I would think it was shitty to be hit on by a woman who isn't even into women just to satisfy some man's inner desire to watch two chicks get it on.

Maybe this is my inner bias showing, but I have been treated like a bisexual freak show just there for the man's entertainment enough that I am VERY sensitive to shit like this. Women who play with other women for attention or just because the man wants them to piss me off. You can couch this in all the "expanding the sub's horizons and helping her GRRROOOOOWWWW" bullshit terminology that you want, but it's pretty obvious what's really going on here.

Furthermore, I thought one of the basic tenants of WIITWD is informed consent. I'd bet you $20 that she's not going to walk up to the "hot, bi femsub" (which is such a goddamned cliche among MDom/femsub couples that it's fucking disgusting) and say, "Well, you know, I really don't like girls at all, and I'm only hitting on you because Master says I have to." Nope, she's going to play along with the scenario; the other girl is going to be USED to satisfy the whims of the couple WITHOUT INFORMED CONSENT.

Way to totally use a bisexual woman as a commodity there. And by another goddamned woman, no less. I see it over and over and over, and I hate it. THINK before you do shit, people. THINK of how it can be hurtful and offensive to others. EVERYTHING is not about your own fucking pleasure.

Ok, fuck this. I'm out of this thread before I get really ugly.