Superficiality Question

[cowslinger64]

http://www.karibyronfansite.com/photos/inthepress.php

That's the girl from mythbusters. IMO, she is the essence of the curvy label. Sometimes she's thinner, but when she puts on a little weight, i think it enhances her look immensely. Soft curves, and a beautiful smile team up to make a woman that just wears me out. She is far sexier than these women that aren't much more than a head with legs...

this is a good example of that: Diane Kruger

http://grazielabrenno.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/diane-kruger-feretti-met-gala.jpg

and here she is from before when she had some weight on her and looked WAY better IMO:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3486092288/nm1208167


I don't think it's superficial to want to be attracted to a partner. I have to be. I'm not one of those men that can have sex with just anyone. Quality over quantity, I say. I also agree that an attractive woman can become very unattractive by how they act.

I've known many women. They are shallow, just like men, if you wanna call it that....but IMO, women grade on a curve more than men do, as far as looks go anyways. Especially if you've got money or are in a position of power. How many guys would be Joan River's high priced tongue boy, verses the amount of hot women that would ride Donald Trump...

 

[fuckmeat]

*pops open a can of worms and sprinkles them into the thread*

I think plenty of women would ride Donald Trump but I also think plenty of guys would lick Joan Rivers out - if it wasn't that their friends would give them hell for it. Guys care too much what other people think and how a certain woman on their arm affects how they are perceived. Nature is kinder to men than women too. Women's bodies are affected by childbirth and menopause (HRT notwithstanding) and IME, men are far more critical of women's looks than vice versa.

Every TV sitcom these days seems to feature a fat, gormless, uncouth lout married to some beautiful, smart, long-suffering woman. Male movie stars like Robert Redford, Sean Connery etc are cast opposite stunning women young enough to be their children. Male presenters and newscasters can work well into their 60s whereas their female counterparts are quietly pensioned off at 45 or 50. There's a real unspoken taboo when it comes to older women in the media and it's really unfair.

When I posted a personals ad a while back looking for a play partner, I got loads of interest from divorced guys aged between 40 and 60. When I turned them down, some actually accused me of being ageist! Me, ageist? Do these guys want to fuck women their own age? Hell no! But somehow I'm the one with the prejudice.

*backs slowly away*

 

[infinity706]

http://www.karibyronfansite.com/photos/inthepress.php

That's the girl from mythbusters. IMO, she is the essence of the curvy label. Sometimes she's thinner, but when she puts on a little weight, i think it enhances her look immensely. Soft curves, and a beautiful smile team up to make a woman that just wears me out. She is far sexier than these women that aren't much more than a head with legs...

this is a good example of that: Diane Kruger

http://grazielabrenno.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/diane-kruger-feretti-met-gala.jpg

and here she is from before when she had some weight on her and looked WAY better IMO:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3486092288/nm1208167


I don't think it's superficial to want to be attracted to a partner. I have to be. I'm not one of those men that can have sex with just anyone. Quality over quantity, I say. I also agree that an attractive woman can become very unattractive by how they act.

I've known many women. They are shallow, just like men, if you wanna call it that....but IMO, women grade on a curve more than men do, as far as looks go anyways. Especially if you've got money or are in a position of power. How many guys would be Joan River's high priced tongue boy, verses the amount of hot women that would ride Donald Trump...

Does it count if you wouldn't mind Joan Rivers and Donald Trump at the same time?

 

[Mac98]

I think plenty of women would ride Donald Trump but I also think plenty of guys would lick Joan Rivers out - if it wasn't that their friends would give them hell for it. Guys care too much what other people think and how a certain woman on their arm affects how they are perceived. Nature is kinder to men than women too. Women's bodies are affected by childbirth and menopause (HRT notwithstanding) and IME, men are far more critical of women's looks than vice versa.

Every TV sitcom these days seems to feature a fat, gormless, uncouth lout married to some beautiful, smart, long-suffering woman. Male movie stars like Robert Redford, Sean Connery etc are cast opposite stunning women young enough to be their children. Male presenters and newscasters can work well into their 60s whereas their female counterparts are quietly pensioned off at 45 or 50. There's a real unspoken taboo when it comes to older women in the media and it's really unfair.

I think you're partially right, although I have to say that although in general, TV seems to encourage women to be a certain height and weight, the same can be said for men. If you look at a superhero movie, of course you won't see Steve Buscemi doing it, you'll see Christian Bale, Ben Affleck or Robert Downey Jr. Brad Pitt is far better in getting quality movie rolls than a guy like Rob Schneider... there's a lot of pressure on guys to look like they could beat a wall through. And most girls my age or that are of my generation will always look for the strong, muscly arms before searching for the powerful, firm mind. But I agree, women are constantly being attacked for putting the slightest amount of weight or looking like they missed a few hours of sleep.

 

[LaRocha]

I think you're partially right, although I have to say that although in general, TV seems to encourage women to be a certain height and weight, the same can be said for men. If you look at a superhero movie, of course you won't see Steve Buscemi doing it, you'll see Christian Bale, Ben Affleck or Robert Downey Jr. Brad Pitt is far better in getting quality movie rolls than a guy like Rob Schneider... there's a lot of pressure on guys to look like they could beat a wall through. And most girls my age or that are of my generation will always look for the strong, muscly arms before searching for the powerful, firm mind. But I agree, women are constantly being attacked for putting the slightest amount of weight or looking like they missed a few hours of sleep.

That's like the worst comparison ever. A dramatic actor vs. a comic with very little training. As far as Steve and Christian Bale... The archetypes for heroes are older than cinema. Homer complains that the warriors of his day are smaller, less firm of heart and mind than the heroes he's about to describe.

Echo still loves Narcissus even after he breaks her heart. Superficiality and body image isn't some brand new epidemic. There is no firm mind in an obese body. If you're twenty-five and fatty(popping a baby out and gaining wait isn't fatty) you're lazy and most likely weak minded.

 

[LaRocha]

Yo, the girl from Mythbusters isn't "curvy", she's smaller and thinner than 90% of American thirty-something women, when she's not preggers.

 

[cowslinger64]

Yo, the girl from Mythbusters isn't "curvy", she's smaller and thinner than 90% of American thirty-something women, when she's not preggers.

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When she bulked up a little, as I mentioned in my post, she is curvy...IMO. Curvy means just that to me, not fat, but not thin either..the hourglass look. It's my impression that's what curvy is... I'm not trying to dis heavy girls so I don't wanna go farther down this road.


I also never said that no guy would do Joan Rivers..my point was that it is FAR more likely for some gorgeous woman to be with a man because of his money, than the other way around. IMO, it's far more prevalent with the old guy, ugly guy, fat guy, whatever guy and the hot chick...if he has money and/or power.

I was actually trying to illustrate that women are more forgiving about looks than guys, not that they don't think it's important.

 

[Mac98]

That's like the worst comparison ever. A dramatic actor vs. a comic with very little training. As far as Steve and Christian Bale... The archetypes for heroes are older than cinema. Homer complains that the warriors of his day are smaller, less firm of heart and mind than the heroes he's about to describe.

Echo still loves Narcissus even after he breaks her heart. Superficiality and body image isn't some brand new epidemic. There is no firm mind in an obese body. If you're twenty-five and fatty(popping a baby out and gaining wait isn't fatty) you're lazy and most likely weak minded.

To your first comment: The comparison isn't the best, I know, but you're missing the point. Someone with good looks will always be prefered to someone "average"-looking, be it women OR men.

As for your second comment: Don't forget some people have hormonal and genetic problems. It's not necessarily cuz they're lazy. Though I admit, most people need a really swift kick in the ass.

 

[LaRocha]

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When she bulked up a little, as I mentioned in my post, she is curvy...IMO. Curvy means just that to me, not fat, but not thin either..the hourglass look. It's my impression that's what curvy is... I'm not trying to dis heavy girls so I don't wanna go farther down this road.


I also never said that no guy would do Joan Rivers..my point was that it is FAR more likely for some gorgeous woman to be with a man because of his money, than the other way around. IMO, it's far more prevalent with the old guy, ugly guy, fat guy, whatever guy and the hot chick...if he has money and/or power.

I was actually trying to illustrate that women are more forgiving about looks than guys, not that they don't think it's important.

She was pregnant for a while on the show, maybe you're thinking of the four months preggo version.

Yeah, women are attracted to money, age, and power still. Most women are into older dudes because they have more money, not necessarily great money, but enough where the female can feel supported at some level financially. A modern woman will say, "No, I just don't want to have to support some aimless guy." Yeah, right. That's pretty much the whole picture of superficiality. The "experience" of a 38 yo vs. a 28 yo just means money.

It's an exchange, older dude gets a female he couldn't land ten years previous, younger gal gets a status boost and has more options due to better financial security. Too bad she won't look as good ten years on and her dude will still have money and look for the next young chick. Sucks to be a superficial woman sometimes, for a man it's not as bad being superficial.

 

[fuckmeat]

I think you're partially right, although I have to say that although in general, TV seems to encourage women to be a certain height and weight, the same can be said for men. If you look at a superhero movie, of course you won't see Steve Buscemi doing it, you'll see Christian Bale, Ben Affleck or Robert Downey Jr. Brad Pitt is far better in getting quality movie rolls than a guy like Rob Schneider... there's a lot of pressure on guys to look like they could beat a wall through. And most girls my age or that are of my generation will always look for the strong, muscly arms before searching for the powerful, firm mind. But I agree, women are constantly being attacked for putting the slightest amount of weight or looking like they missed a few hours of sleep.

That's true up to a point, but there are a shitload more fat men in the public eye than fat women. If a woman works in media obesity is career suicide, with virtually no exceptions.

And come on, who's going to persuade Steve Buscemi to wear a lycra superhero costume? The guy's a legend and his kudos is well deserved. Have some respect! The thing is, when a woman is emaciated to the point of near death (e.g. Angelina Jolie) it's considered hot so long as she's got some silicone stuffed in her tits. Steve Buscemi OTOH has no hope of becoming a sex symbol and bless him, I don't think he should be considered one.

 

[Mac98]

That's true up to a point, but there are a shitload more fat men in the public eye than fat women. If a woman works in media obesity is career suicide, with virtually no exceptions.

And come on, who's going to persuade Steve Buscemi to wear a lycra superhero costume? The guy's a legend and his kudos is well deserved. Have some respect! The thing is, when a woman is emaciated to the point of near death (e.g. Angelina Jolie) it's considered hot so long as she's got some silicone stuffed in her tits. Steve Buscemi OTOH has no hope of becoming a sex symbol and bless him, I don't think he should be considered one.

Woah woah woah!! I NEVER insulted Steve! He's awesome in his own right and fits a specific character roll not opened to many, but the fact is, if you want to make a successful (and I mean high-grossing) film, you need more than Steve. You need a Brad Pitt, you need a Jennifer Anniston (actually that's not true... she never made a successful movie). But you know what I mean.

I think most people want to identify with a guy rescuing/dating/sleeping-with a beautiful mannequin. Ex: would transformers have been as success had Megan Fox's roll been played by a Kathy Bates look-a-like? No! Of course not. Now, would it have been as succesful had Shia Laboeuf's roll been played by a Danny McBride look-a-like? Probably, because they still want to identify with the average guy hooking up with the gorgeous model.

TV presented the world with an offer. The offer was "we'll get you to identify and virtually live-out your wildest dreams". The consumers latched on without a fuss, and thus the supply and demand wheel started turning. That's all it is. We want to see hot-ass actress' and could care less about the male roll.

 

[cowslinger64]

The thing is, when a woman is emaciated to the point of near death (e.g. Angelina Jolie) it's considered hot so long as she's got some silicone stuffed in her tits.
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I think in real life, that is less correct than you think. I believe Hollywood has force fed us that image, and tried to convince everyone that this is the picture of beauty. Personally, angelina grosses me out. Same goes for all the other women that have starved themselves to death in order to look a certain way. I think it's sad for one, and I think it misses what most men would consider to be attractive.

Personally, I'd rather see a woman look natural. A little babyfat on a woman can be very sexy. I've always thought the babyfat Jennifer Anniston was very sexy...and when she lost it all, she was less attractive. Another good example was Linda Hamilton...she muscled up and lost all her curves, and thus was less attractive...at least to me any ways.

As for fake boobs...I don't mind them, as long as she's spanking me in the face with em...

 

[fuckmeat]

Now, would it have been as succesful had Shia Laboeuf's roll been played by a Danny McBride look-a-like? Probably, because they still want to identify with the average guy hooking up with the gorgeous model.

I do know what you mean.

The above snippet though, is something that really pisses me off. Honestly, it's like western men have been brainwashed into believing that hot women routinely go for average or even fat/ugly/ancient guys without the incentives of money, power or fame. Women also either remain as stunning as they were in their 20s, no matter how many pregnancies they have, or they vanish off the face of the planet.

The disturbing thing is that too many guys are buying into this myth. They realise one day that their own spouse is ageing, less attractive and more affected by gravity and they actually feel cheated in some way, because women on TV refuse to allow themselves to show their age in any way. Cue the mid life crisis, the stupid sports car, the divorce and the younger replacement. It really does happen all the time and I think the media culture pressuring perfectly good looking women in their 30s and 40s to butcher their bodies and corrode their self esteem trying to look like stunning women in their 20s is partly to blame.

To me, a woman who has aged naturally is often far more beautiful than the nipped, tucked, augmented, dyed, fake-baked, botox filled mannequins tottering about the place on ridiculous heels, mutton dressed as lamb.

I'm not ranting at you here Mac, it's just that part of your post is something I've felt strongly about for a long time.

 

[Mac98]

I do know what you mean.

The above snippet though, is something that really pisses me off. Honestly, it's like western men have been brainwashed into believing that hot women routinely go for average or even fat/ugly/ancient guys without the incentives of money, power or fame. Women also either remain as stunning as they were in their 20s, no matter how many pregnancies they have, or they vanish off the face of the planet.

The disturbing thing is that too many guys are buying into this myth. They realise one day that their own spouse is ageing, less attractive and more affected by gravity and they actually feel cheated in some way, because women on TV refuse to allow themselves to show their age in any way. Cue the mid life crisis, the stupid sports car, the divorce and the younger replacement. It really does happen all the time and I think the media culture pressuring perfectly good looking women in their 30s and 40s to butcher their bodies and corrode their self esteem trying to look like stunning women in their 20s is partly to blame.

To me, a woman who has aged naturally is often far more beautiful than the nipped, tucked, augmented, dyed, fake-baked, botox filled mannequins tottering about the place on ridiculous heels, mutton dressed as lamb.

I'm not ranting at you here Mac, it's just that part of your post is something I've felt strongly about for a long time.

I didn't say it was right, I just said it is what it is. However, there are SOME actresses that manage to stay fit and look swell without necessarily resulting in botox, implants, face lifts and lipo. I give mad props to those people who represent health and outgoingness. Although... they are few.

 

[fuckmeat]

Like I said, I'm not trying to shoot the messenger here. I just think it's a real shame.

There are some women in media who manage to age gracefully but they're the ones blessed with the world's best genetics and bone structure. It's usually more a case of not 'needing' work than choosing to refuse it no matter what affect that has on her appearance.

 

[evenyc]

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[silverwhisper]

felix queried:
how important are looks to you when considering a potential partner? are a person's physical attributes at or near the top of the list?

i'm married & have been for years but physical appearance does tend to draw my attention. however, character is what holds my attention.

felix queried:
what draws you to the opposite (or same) sex?

in terms of appearance: eyes, long legs, ass. but beyond mere physical attributes: ability to choose attire that is flattering; good fashion sense; confidence, which can be read from posture & body language; a great smile; expressiveness.

but far more important than any of that: passion.

ed

 

[nancyl32819]

How important are looks to you when considering a potential partner? Are a person's physical attributes at or near the top of the list?

I say they are. I read some bullshit online article about some grad student's study on the importance of looks and apparently both men and women rank the importance of appearance equally.

I think that our draw towards physical features is ingrained. Hard wired, and probably the reason why something like half of marriages end in divorce. But I'll admit, I am and will be drawn to a cute face, a high tight ass, and all the rest of the outward, surface features that make women so attractive. How about you? What draws you to the opposite (or same) sex?

Well, do you see a hot guy with a ugly girl? Model with a ugly guy? Money draws ppl. Looks isn't top of the list but a 9 doesn't date a 3 (unless maybe he's rich).

 

[tumbledown]

Looks are important, in a temporary kind of way. Yeah, it gets my attention - but if you always have to have certain standard of looks to be interested, you can miss out on some really amazing people. I've had the experience of spending time with a rather unattractive dude only to find that as time passed he actually became better looking to me as I got to know and like him. Also watched a hottie get ugly as their personality overcame their looks. I also think that sometimes, a really goodlooking person can end up leaning on their looks to sub in for actual content in a relationship and/or actual skill in the sack.

Still, I admit there's a limit to my flexibility in standards. I once agreed to a date with a guy who was UGLY so yes I gave it a chance but turned out I could not even bear to kiss him.. he leaned in, I leaned out... call me shallow but it was a gut reaction. It makes me think that it really is instinctive, no matter how we moralize it.

 

[LaRocha]

This got me thinking a little. Are ugly people programmed to have lower standards for mates? Or do they just accept that they're ugly and go beneath their tastes and get an ugly mate. I've seen a lot of ugg people all over their ugg mates, seemingly attracted to each other despite their ugliness.