Subspace

[Bluebloodedvixen]

How many Dominants or submissives here have had any experience with "subspace"?

I'm curious because until recently I wasn't even aware that it existed.

My understanding is that subspace is a mental and physical response to the high levels of endorphins produced during play. For some people, it is a sense of floating or out of body experience. For others, subspace is a quiet zen-like state. I've heard that When in this space your ability to stop play or fight off anyone is gone. You are at the mercy of the Dominant.

Has anyone in a powerful position like this used their Submissive with the intention of getting them into that space and then pushing way past their boundaries?

 

[cocktaildress21]

How many Dominants or submissives here have had any experience with "subspace"?

I'm curious because until recently I wasn't even aware that it existed.

My understanding is that subspace is a mental and physical response to the high levels of endorphins produced during play. For some people, it is a sense of floating or out of body experience. For others, subspace is a quiet zen-like state. I've heard that When in this space your ability to stop play or fight off anyone is gone. You are at the mercy of the Dominant.

Has anyone in a powerful position like this used their Submissive with the intention of getting them into that space and then pushing way past their boundaries?

It really doesn't 'exist' in any ontological way. It's a word that describes a state of mind. If you ask me, it's basically a feedback loop - for me, pain is a minor part of it, it has more to do with being turned on, and a particular flavor of shame.

Basically, there is in me a certain shame at enjoying the things I do - but the shame also turns me on, especially when I put myself in such shameful positions. So I'm ashamed, which turns me on, which makes me do things that I'm even more ashamed of .. round and round, exponential growth kinda thing, eventually I become slightly unhinged with lust.

I have a slight fear that I can do actual harm to myself in this way. I've often wondered what my blood pressure might be doing when I'm like this.

 

[ultramarineblue]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=304820

The BDSM library thread that is at the top may be helpful.

 

[Rich_Johnson]

I've had a couple submissives begin to dip into subspace, but I haven't had one go all in yet. From what I've experienced and researched, it typically first happens during play, but can later be triggered anytime if the trust and respect between the Dom and the sub are strong enough.

As a Dom, I can't tell you what it feels like first hand, but it has taken a different form for each of my subs. For one, it takes the form of an absolute craving. She gets so heavily aroused at a phrase or thought that she feels compelled to please me, even at the cost of what she's currently doing. She will message me if I'm not around, and if I'm not available, she will begin doing things that she knows I enjoy and appreciate to sate her desire to please (removing underwear while at work, for example.) When I am available, she gets more pleasure from pleasing me than from being physically stimulated, even to the point that she can cum hard from no physical stimulation what-so-ever. Her limits, though, remain intact.

For my other sub, it overrides her limits. She will say or do literally anything for me. Afterward, once she comes down, she's always shocked and surprised by her complete vulnerability to my suggestions. For her, this only happens during play. I have never disrespected her limits, but I have tested how far she was willing to go by having her tell me that she would do things for me that were beyond her limits (in question form, such as "What will you do for me if I give you X?" She offers something, I say I want more, and eventually she starts offering things that break her limits.) I have never held her to what she has stated that she would do (that would make me an asshole.) During aftercare, I always let her know that I don't require her to make good on her offers, though we do talk about them since they may be things that she actually wants to try but is too anxious to admit under normal conditions. She has told me that, when she's offering things beyond her limits, she feels completely weak and vulnerable which adds to the intensity of whatever we're doing in the moment.

Anyone who uses subspace to unilaterally break the predefined limits of the relationship is dangerous and manipulative, and I would strongly suggest that any sub who finds themselves in such a position leave the relationship immediately. It may seem fun at first, but these are the sorts of things that ruin lives and cause mental trauma. Eventually something will go wrong, either on purpose or by accident, and what's done cannot be undone. This sort of power abuse is best left to fantasy and imagination.

 

[sweettalk4u]

You only push them to what they are capable of handling. It’s a relaxed and super aroused state. I’ve spent time getting them to that point. It expands my future control of them. The fantastic multiple orgasms are their rewards for their obedience

 

[MaxPower6248]

Has anyone in a powerful position like this used their Submissive with the intention of getting them into that space and then pushing way past their boundaries?

Absolutely for soft limits. Never for hard limits. Subspace is a wonderful thing once the required level of trust has been established.

 

[SissySalina]

The subspace experienced by sissy is only obtained with Her as sissy totally trust Her. sissy feels like an open book on which She writes anything She wishes. There have been times when sissy has no recollection what happened other than a sense of blithest.

 

[Master_Doctor]

How many Dominants or submissives here have had any experience with "subspace"?

I'm curious because until recently I wasn't even aware that it existed.

My understanding is that subspace is a mental and physical response to the high levels of endorphins produced during play. For some people, it is a sense of floating or out of body experience. For others, subspace is a quiet zen-like state. I've heard that When in this space your ability to stop play or fight off anyone is gone. You are at the mercy of the Dominant.

Has anyone in a powerful position like this used their Submissive with the intention of getting them into that space and then pushing way past their boundaries?

Yes and Yes. You have it partially correct.

Subspace is a place or experience that a submissive (and only submissive) may experience. The common belief (and false) is that the only way for a submissive to get into subspace is by extreme pain. While, yes that is a common practice. Its is not the only way. Intense mental/physical response via endorphins is a key. If you are in a long term dynamic between an 's' type (submissive, slave, etc) and a trusted 'D' type you can actually train the submissive to mentally imprint upon you as their Dom/ Master. There are many ways to condition her (willingly I add) so that she sees you that way. Having her sleep with one of your sweaty Tshirts when she is parted from you is one way. When such an 's' type is conditioned this way she can be brought into subspace much easier and with out pain at all.

How you describe the sub while in subspace is very much how many describe it yes. I would add some more dimensions however. Yes for all reasonable purposes the submissive is quite helpless. She also feels sensations very keenly while in this state. Which is why many subs get into a frenzy to experience this state. Many will say that play or sex while in this state was beyond amazing. Some may loose memory during this state. I would warn ANYONE seeking this state to make sure they are with a Dom they trust, also one that will preform the REQUIRED aftercare after play/ scene etc. The sub can not take care of herself. Often times while they are struggling to get out of this state they will be exhausted, and from outward appearances look ill or even high. (because they are high of a sort). Most Dungeons will have clean sheets, beds, blankets to wrap them in so they can relax until they come down from it. They will need to be comforted and reminded that they are safe and cared for. This is a huge responsibility for her Dominate. Something critical to remember. A Sub can not under any circumstances give CONSENT while in this state. She will pretty much say yes to anything because most of her mental connections are disconnected in this state.


Something else I have found with some of my previous sub/slaves about subspace. After 20 years of study I believe that it is strongly connected to the subconscious. I say this because I have on a number of occasions with SOME subversives been able to introduce an suggestion while she was in this state (one agreed upon before hand I promise you), My lilone and I mutually enjoyed exploration and wanted to see what I could do while she was in this state. It was pretty easy for me to introduce a suggestion much like a trance or hypnotic induction. For years later I could say or txt her a particular phrase known only to me and she would literally make her cum on command... no matter where she was or when... alone or in a large group... Another phrase would put her back into subspace immediately without touching her.

So yes, Ive had a lot of experience wish subspace and how to help a female sub get there and take care of her after. What I have cited here is an overview of my own experiences. Every submissive is unique as are ever Dom. Not everyone will have the same reaction or be ABLE to bring out the same reaction. I am firmly of the opinion that my lilone was so suggestible because of our deep trusting relationship .

I hope you find my information of value to you.

Master Doctor

 

[htester]

I experienced subspace after 4-8 hours of non-stop pleasure play. It was THE. MOST. AMAZING. experience ever. But, I was simultaneously so overwhelmed and so over stimulated and so aroused. I had so much adrenaline running through me, it felt like chemical overload, but in a good way. I definitely needed _a LOT of_ after care, a lot of sipping of water, alot of gatorade, eating of sweet foods / hot sweet tea and just resting (I slept for 2-4 hours after it and was a tad sore). However, I was in the comfort of my own home. I don't think it's something you should force. And even though it was amazing, I don't think I'd want to do it again because it felt so overwhelming (kind of like I was out of myself but not). I experienced it accidentally, because I just wanted to keep playing and the person I interacted with allowed it. We just kept heightening and pushing further. Towards the end, I experienced mild brain fog and just wanted to focus on the pleasure. I felt like I unlocked a side of myself I never experienced. Luckily, no one tried to take advantage or give post hypnotic suggestions But, because of the come down process (I really think my body shook and I felt like I had a hot spot inside me) it's something you should be careful with. Again, it's A-MAZ-ING, but intense. Side Note: There's a Frisky Beaver novel series surrounding BDSM that deals with subspace either in the 'Dr Bad Boy' or 'Prime Minister' text. But either way, be careful and good luck --

 

[lilcuriouscatt]

As a Dominant I am always very gratified if I can help my sub reach sub-space. It tells me that I have done my utmost to give my pet a good experience. And I agree with the sentiments expressed by several others here, that no one in a position of power should ever use sub-space to go past agreed limits and boundaries.

 

[Miss_Sasha_P]

So this is something I learned, I use a simple self bondage technique to meditate, and get into a state. The thing is this means I have to be totally relaxed, as otherwise the ropes get tighter.
As a dom I like to see the sub move into a state of acceptance, I love to see the fear in their eyes, but also to move beyond the fear. That is the journey.