Strip Searching Third Graders?

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Principal, teacher removed from Pitcher Elementary while district investigates alleged strip search
By JOE ROBERTSON and DEANN SMITH
The Kansas City Star


The principal and a teacher have been removed from Pitcher Elementary School while the Kansas City School District investigates allegations that third-graders were subjected to an improper search, district spokesman Edwin Birch said today.

The principal is Jana Schwimmer. The teacher was not identified.

Parents and students at Pitcher met this morning with a state investigator and school district attorneys to discuss the alleged strip search over $5 of missing money.

"The district has to investigate these allegations," Birch said. "We wanted to reassure them (the parents and students) that we want to do the right thing."

The state also must investigate, he said, which is why an investigator with the Missouri Division of Family Services joined the meeting.

Parents have complained that children told them earlier this week that boys had to drop their pants to be searched by an adult male, while girls were searched by other girls.

District policy does not allow strip searches and specifies that any other search cannot be done in front of other students.

Superintendent Bernard Taylor Jr. hired Schwimmer as principal at Pitcher last summer. Taylor and district attorneys briefed school board members about the incident in a closed session Tuesday.

Taylor sent letters home to some Pitcher parents Tuesday, saying that investigators may ask to talk to their children to get eyewitness accounts of a "disturbing report that students...may have been subjected to an improper search of their persons."

The Missouri Department of Elementary and Secondary Education has no policy on strip searches and instead allows local school boards to set their own policies, said Kris Morrow, an attorney for the department.

"If a district is even thinking of doing a strip search, we tell them to be sure and contact their school district attorney," Morrow said. "Because of the invasive nature of the search, strip searches can be a litigation mine field."

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Ok, the thought of my kids being strip searched at school is enough to make me want to kill someone. But strip searching them in front of other students? Over missing lunch money???

And how can the school district NOT have a policy on this? Doesn't it violate 4th Amendment rights? The ACLU thinks so.

What would you do if your 9 year old came home from school and told you that she/he'd been strip searched in front of 25 other students?

What should the school district do if the allegations are correct?
 
Dude, I don't even have kids and that infuriates me. Granted, if a kid is possibly packing heat or some other similarly dangerous object/substance/whatever (or maybe drugs they were planning on selling at school?), and there's no other way to find out than to strip search, then maybe take them aside with the kid, the searcher, and another adult to supervise and make sure nothing goes wrong...
... But third graders? Stripped in front of others? Over lunch money? If I were that school district, the principal and the teacher who allowed it would be out of there faster than they can say "outrageous."
 
Hmmm, maybe these people just think that children have no rights.

It seems to be that if people think that they can get away with it, they'll do whatever they want to.

Are they fired or just suspended til the investigation is over and then it's buisness as usual?
 
The two teachers and the principal are suspended without pay, pending an investigation.

So far though, there doesn't seem to be any real anger about this from anyone but the ACLU and the parents of the kids... other parents who have children attending the school are just acting like it's no big deal.
 
pagancowgirl said:
This doesn't piss anyone else off?


Pisses me off, touching my kid will cost the offender their fucking hand.

(I'm serious, both my girls know how to dislocate fingers and break wrists)
 
Kitten Eyes said:

(I'm serious, both my girls know how to dislocate fingers and break wrists)

who knew 3rd graders needed self defense training just in case their teachers decided to get 'em naked?

Sad part is, your kids would probably be charged with assault.
 
pagancowgirl said:
who knew 3rd graders needed self defense training just in case their teachers decided to get 'em naked?

Sad part is, your kids would probably be charged with assault.



Teachers, date rapists in training, the list is long. The self defence lessons started when my youngest was touched inappropriately by another student. She was in kindergarten.

As for the assalt charges, lawyers I can buy, my girls' sense of security, I cannot. I will spend months in court before I'll let them become victims.
 
pagancowgirl said:
The two teachers and the principal are suspended without pay, pending an investigation.

So far though, there doesn't seem to be any real anger about this from anyone but the ACLU and the parents of the kids... other parents who have children attending the school are just acting like it's no big deal.
It's a big deal.
Pull that shit in my district and you'd be well-advised to leave town on the next horse or skateboard you could find. That comes under my "Nobody has the right to steal a childhood" guidelines.
 
LukkyKnight said:

"Nobody has the right to steal a childhood" guidelines.

That's my thought too. Other than the search itself... I'm sure there will be lots of shit to deal with as these kids get older.

It's sad, and it pisses me off to no end. I left that school district for other reasons (they lost their accreditation two years ago), but if I hadn't, this would be enough to convince me to move. And if I had kids in that school, I'd pull them out so fast the administrator's heads would spin.
 
Honestly

I don't think children deserve the rights we have begun to attribute to them.

It's about time they learned the things that we as adults are increasingly becoming painfully aware of, like:

Anytime he wants, big brother can pull you over and search you in your car, at the airport, ...

Why should they be held to some higher standard?

Schools are a public place!
 
WTF? The kids are freaking 8 and 9 years old. They are going to be traumatized for life over this. THat is so wrong. I sure hope the school district is willing to pay for counseling and debriefing for thise poor kids.

I can see maybe if a kid was thought to have a weapon, but that is what metal detectors are for. That was totally uncalled for.
 
Re: Honestly

SINthysist said:
I don't think children deserve the rights we have begun to attribute to them.

It's about time they learned the things that we as adults are increasingly becoming painfully aware of, like:

Anytime he wants, big brother can pull you over and search you in your car, at the airport, ...

Why should they be held to some higher standard?

Schools are a public place!
Yeah, and what about women? When did they suddenly deserve to be treated like people?

Buy a vowel SIN. :rolleyes:
 
Shit.

I spanked my kid tonight for drooling her cough medicine all over her new dress (the one she insisted on wearing!).

She got over it and still tells me she loves me SOOOOO MUCH!

Even though I just want to watch the game...
 
PS

I got spanked in the third grade by one of my father's teachers!

I was humiliated by my sixth grade teacher because I had allergies!

I got over it in seventh grade when I grew to be the tallest member of my class, and every one loved me (sports and all).

Should we manufacture every child's life?
 
Says, what all?

My child (born in Fuzhou, China) is 3.5 years old, knows all of her alphabet, is beginning to spell, and can do math as far as cardinality and ordinality.

As far as your, what about women query, I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
SINthysist said:
I spanked my kid tonight for drooling her cough medicine all over her new dress (the one she insisted on wearing!).
Wait a minute. You spanked an ill child because she dribbled some cough medicine? Why? I'm not against spanking, but I fail to see why this situation warranted any punishment, let alone such a harsh one.
 
Sin,
Are you saying that your child even though your child is a very smart 3 1/2 year old she isn't allowed to make mistakes that children her age make? She's a child for God's sake. Who gives a rip if she is a child prodigy. This pisses me off...
I'm keeping my mouth shut and heading off this part of the GB...
 
As well you should

because I teach my students the same as I was taught in the Corps...

One fucks up you all fuck up.


How many times do we need to be reminded that with children, peer pressure is the dominant factor?




[Hell, even with adults...]




We have a system where we want the teachers to be teachers, but yet strip them of every tool and second-guess them at every opportunity.

WHY AREN'T WE ALL HOMESCHOOLING?
 
Mishka

She needs to be well.

Strep throat can go to the heart.

After a spanking, she took her medicine.

Then she told me how much she loved me and I, in turn, gushed over her. Then we went to practice and her kicks and punches are better than my 6 year-old boys.

What the more fuck do you want out of me?
 
i AM homeschooling, but for altogether other reasons


wait a minute...strip-searching 9 year olds is a tool? oh yes, i get it..."johnny, the reason i'm taking your pants down is so you get pissed at suzy over there and that'll keep her from stealing henry's five dollars again"

sin, i realize that more than half of this is just you making fun of liberals by overly stirring the shit-pot, but really......
 
1. As a resident of the area

I have listened to the news reports. There has been no "strip searching" as we go through the airports...

No Children were naked. This is sensationalism at it's best.

The "Strip Searching" phrase came from hystrerical parents all of whom were absolutely convinced that thier child could never steal.

But, children do.


Now what happens if when a child steals, he/she learns that the teachers and the system will be put on trial?
 
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