Story Violence

[wet_special]

Here on Lit, I've read stories in which folks get their hands blown off permanently, stabbed in the chest and killed, slashed, lacerated, dropped in glowing vats of molten rock, shot in the head, shot in the chest, and on and on.

Clearly violence by itself is okay. I have read in the past on forums how it is not okay to derive pleasure from killing someone during sex, but hey vampires and succubi sometimes get away with it (60% of the time they get away with it all the time).

I knew this but I figured a few kicks to the face would probably go badly for whoever is on the receiving end, and really end the fight. That's what I was going for, but the person who dealt it was not even remotely sexually attracted to the recipient of said facekicks. So there was no sexual pleasure or otherwise. I don't get it. Somehow my catfight in which the assailant wound up injured (broken nose, possibly gouged eye) was cause for my story to be rejected.

Prior to the fight, the assailant happened to be aroused and made sexual advances and was rebuffed. Is this the part that makes the rest of the violence not okay? There was nothing sexy about the fight, just two women fighting with one who wins and in a panic, keeps on kicking before someone intervenes.

I'm not in love with the way this chapter has turned out (too much intro) so I'm going to do a fairly extensive rewrite. Also, I will TOTALLY avoid bloody violence or maiming.. until someone can clear this up for me. The verbage was of fighting (leg sweep, kick, elbow) not erotic in any way that I can tell. If the fighting is just fisticuffs or fighting dirty (elbow to the breast, groin kicks, pulling hair), is it forbidden that one of the characters be sexually interested or compatible with the other? Set me straight here someone. Thank you.

 

[wet_special]

Come to think of it I remember a story now where three guys try to hit on two girls and can't take no for an answer. They confront the girls outside of a club and they get broken noses and arms for their trouble from the objects of their lust, this would be a fairly close correlation to the violence in my story. So that was okay?

 

[Weird Harold]

Prior to the fight, the assailant happened to be aroused and made sexual advances and was rebuffed. Is this the part that makes the rest of the violence not okay? There was nothing sexy about the fight, just two women fighting with one who wins and in a panic, keeps on kicking before someone intervenes.

Come to think of it I remember a story now where three guys try to hit on two girls and can't take no for an answer. They confront the girls outside of a club and they get broken noses and arms for their trouble from the objects of their lust, this would be a fairly close correlation to the violence in my story. So that was okay?

A tough call, but I think you stated the difference in your descriptions:

In your example, the violence stems from sexual advances and rejection, but it is the assailant that is driving the encounter.

In the other story, it was a case of self-defense against sexually driven aggression.

In one case, the assailant is victorious in the other, self-defense rules.

FWIW, I wouldn't have rejected your story given the context you've described, but I'm not in charge here. The person who rejected your story has a lot of stories to vet each day, so may not have correctly interpreted the sequence of events. You can try resubmitting with a comment (about the disconnect between the pass inside the bar and the revenge for rejection in the parking lot) in the comment or notes field in the submission form.

On the other hand, if you're not happy with the scene or character, then a rewrite to make the disconnect between sex and violence more apparent.

 

[SusanJillParker]

In my story, Bag Lady & the Retired Marine, my story showed a retired Gunnery Sergeant taking on 4 armed men and beating the piss out of them with his bare hands after they attacked a homeless, albeit beautiful and sexy woman.

Later in the chapters, when his neighborhood grows more dangerous, he enlists his military friends to help clean up his neighborhood by getting rid of some of the human trash. In one scene, his buddy decapitates the boss, a drug dealer and pimp.

I even wrote a story about a serial killer, about flashbacks of soldiers in war, and about witches murdering people under a blue, full moon.

I've written several stories with rape scenes in the story too.

It's all in how it's written and if the scenes are integral parts of the story and not just thrown in there for shock value.

 

[wet_special]

A tough call, but I think you stated the difference in your descriptions:

In your example, the violence stems from sexual advances and rejection, but it is the assailant that is driving the encounter.

In the other story, it was a case of self-defense against sexually driven aggression.

In one case, the assailant is victorious in the other, self-defense rules.

Just to be clear, in both my story and the example I gave, self defense ruled.

FWIW, I wouldn't have rejected your story given the context you've described, but I'm not in charge here. The person who rejected your story has a lot of stories to vet each day, so may not have correctly interpreted the sequence of events.

Thanks for your response Harold. If that is potentially a deciding issue -- whether the aggressor scores hits or not -- well then it could just be a case of a mistaken understanding of the sequence of events, I guess. Or maybe it's a tiny bit ambiguous, because it's kind of hard to confuse two characters when one is the story's narrator. Oh well. Maybe it was my luck, the story needed a revamp so badly that it wasn't worth splitting hairs over. I should thank the reviewer for giving me another crack at this before I published a stinker.

Thank you too SusanJillParker for providing further evidence that grisly, plot-related butchery can find its way into Lit. I like this gunny by the way and his buddy. Sounds like a some old breed teufel hunden. Rah!

 

[hylas_]

I didn't know that violence was a possible reason for rejection here; I've just recently read a pretty grisly story.

I found this, though (emphasis mine):

Was there excessive violence, snuff, or abuse of characters in your story?

Your story was too extreme for our guidelines. These judgments are subjective, and thus we can't give an exact definition of what exactly is "too much". Certain "violence" in a BDSM situation between consenting adults may be allowed, while the same "violence" between strangers in a non-consentual situation will not. Tone and respect for characters, as well as the "violent" scene within the context of the story, are what we make our judgments upon. If your story is rejected for this, feel free to send the story back with a polite request for an explanation and we will tell you why it was rejected. If you disagree with our assessment, you are more than welcome to publish your story elsewhere rather than alter it to our guidelines. We respect your rights as authors to write on whatever you like, however you like.

Added by Laurel for clarification: While we do accept submissions with graphic violence, we don't accept "snuff" - i.e. death & extreme torture with the aim of sexual titillation. We generally do not accept submissions of nonconsensual sex in which the "victim" gets absolutely no sort of thrill or enjoyment from the acts, or is seriously and /or permanently physically harmed/abused.

So, if you don't know why exactly your story was too violent, just ask.

You can find the original post here: http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=175666

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I have all kinds of violence in some of my stories, but no one is deriving sexual gratification from it. They just happen to kill people or people just die because of different reasons. I mean there is a lot of death if a spaceship blows up as it hits the moon.