Story rejected for rule I’m certain I didn’t break

[OddLove]

You and I have ZERO idea how many stories she's been rejecting, nor what they're about. So I don't know how you'd know that "most" HS stories are "often being used" to skirt the rules; your "if" does a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence. Regardless, Laurel has been rejecting borderline stories of the sort you're describing since I've been here, and probably long before; this very thread seems to show she's still doing so. In other words, the current system works.

Again, I don't see a problem in need of a further policy change. High school stories, in and of themselves, are not a problem here. A policy change banning them would require Manu and her to comb through tens of thousands of stories and delete them, some of which have been peacefully posted here for twenty years.

I'm not sure I see the need for that, nor do I see why anyone else would.

You're correct, neither of us know how many stories get rejected.

You're wrong, I didn't say that "most" HS stories are "often being used" to skirt the rules, I actually said, "if they need to start rejecting some or even most." That's a big difference you seemed to skim past.

You're correct, Laurel has been rejecting borderline stories, and this thread is evidence that the system works to filter out underage content.

2/3 very good.

 

[OddLove]

Let's picture the event that these stories are taken down because Lit got under scrutiny. What do you think they'll go after next? The R/NC stories? The T/I stories? The GM stories? Lesbian? Transgender? Crossdressing?

It always begins with the lowest hanging fruit. These stories get taken down, the next wave will follow, and so on, until Literotica ceases to exist.

Literotica will be killed by a thousand cuts, and any change of guidelines will only delay the inevitable. We are seeing this in action since a month ago outside of Lit, beginning with videogames.

I understand the fear of slipping on the slippery slope, but I think Lit can make reasonable decisions to crack down on stuff if they feel the need to do so. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a group of angry citizens or a new law could pressures them forever until they eventually agree to have nothing but consensually hand holding and cheek kisses.

There's an argument to be had for the other direction too. Picture an event where Lit refused to take down or ban certain stories in the past, like real rape, underage, or bestiality. Would this website have made it to 2025? I call that the antigravity slippery slide argument.

I know both are hypotheticals, it's just interesting to think about. Either way they make future decisions, there's risk involved. Luckily I'm just a random passenger on this ship.

 

[KittyOfSteele]

I understand the fear of slipping on the slippery slope, but I think Lit can make reasonable decisions to crack down on stuff if they feel the need to do so. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a group of angry citizens or a new law could pressures them forever until they eventually agree to have nothing but consensually hand holding and cheek kisses.

There's an argument to be had for the other direction too. Picture an event where Lit refused to take down or ban certain stories in the past, like real rape, underage, or bestiality. Would this website have made it to 2025? I call that the antigravity slippery slide argument.

I know both are hypotheticals, it's just interesting to think about. Either way they make future decisions, there's risk involved. Luckily I'm just a random passenger on this ship.

Perhaps not the website, but the authors in it would have. History always makes it right. Examples:

• Fanny Hill: Illegal to own until 1970.
• Marquis de Sade's works: pretty much went through damnatio memoriae until the early 20th century.
• My Secret Life: only survived through bootleg copies until 1966, and even then it was still very much illegal to produce or own until the 90s.
• Tropic of Cancer: Banned until the 60s.
• Hogg: Didn't get published until the 90s.

If you ask me, we went through much worse than this. And I don't want to go back.

 

[Britva415]

https://xkcd.com/386/

more like

https://i.imgflip.com/8cnx8z.jpg

 

[MillieDynamite]

Can we get back on what this thread was started for? With that in mind, all due respect for the debate of what is or isn't rejection worthy, has the OP figured out what he did wrong yet?

 

[KittyOfSteele]

Perhaps not the website, but the authors in it would have. History always makes it right. Examples:

• Fanny Hill: Illegal to own until 1970.
• Marquis de Sade's works: pretty much went through damnatio memoriae until the early 20th century.
• My Secret Life: only survived through bootleg copies until 1966, and even then it was still very much illegal to produce or own until the 90s.
• Tropic of Cancer: Banned until the 60s.
• Hogg: Didn't get published until the 90s.

If you ask me, we went through much worse than this. And I don't want to go back.

You know what? Forget what I said. I think the website proper wouldn't have survived, but the community would have. Piracy websites always resurface, and the biggest example is TPB. TPB's code is less than half a gigabyte, and every single time it was taken down, it always resurfaced under a new domain. Like TPB, Lit is pretty much text.

Not only that, but Wallhaven is also a website that was an offshoot of Wallbase. After Wallbase's admin vanished, and the webside died, a couple of users of Wallbase gathered up together and created Wallhaven to keep going with the website.

Like I said, we went through much worse than this, and I don't want to go back to those days (which, given the circumstances around the zeitgeist, we are aiming for it). However, with a community as large as Lit's, there's always at least a couple of people who know how to set up a website. I'm obviously not one of them, but given the history, I wouldn't be surprised if such scenario would've happened, Lit would've make a comeback. Maybe not with Laurel and Manu on the lead, but that's the thing about online communities: a platform dying doesn't mean the end of the community. They will always flock to another place, or create their own.

Tumblr users got vanished from the website after they cracked down on adult content. They migrated to Twitter. Now, either they migrated to BlueSky after Musk's takeover, or went back to Tumblr.

Can we get back on what this thread was started for? With that in mind, all due respect for the debate of what is or isn't rejection worthy, has the OP figured out what he did wrong yet?

During my conversation with OP through DMs, they don't seem interested in coming back here. I haven't talked to them since my last message on Saturday, so I guess we will never know... unless they post and clear things up. AFAIK, I'm the only one who got DM'd by them.

 

[Voboy]

During my conversation with OP through DMs, they don't seem interested in coming back here. I haven't talked to them since my last message on Saturday, so I guess we will never know... unless they post and clear things up. AFAIK, I'm the only one who got DM'd by them.

They've been in touch with others.

@MillieDynamite, I think it's likely that the issue unearthed a few pages ago about the "grooming" aspect might be what ran the story afoul of Laurel. But we don't really know, nor do we know the OP's plans unless they choose to come back and let us know.

As with anyone submitting here, I wish the OP luck in navigating the process. The story sounds interesting. I doubt the fix is all that extreme, but I don't really know.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Okay, thanks. I just wanted to know. I know there had to be something that caused, no matter how sure he was, there wasn't.

They've been in touch with others.

@MillieDynamite, I think it's likely that the issue unearthed a few pages ago about the "grooming" aspect might be what ran the story afoul of Laurel. But we don't really know, nor do we know the OP's plans unless they choose to come back and let us know.

As with anyone submitting here, I wish the OP luck in navigating the process. The story sounds interesting. I doubt the fix is all that extreme, but I don't really know.

 

[AloneTooLong]

I agree. The two words "high school" imply underage because in the US anyway, most seniors don't turn 18 until near graduation or after they graduate.

The OP probably didn't intend to imply that a character is under 18, but I've read similar threads where it's pretty obvious the writer is attempting to slither around the under 18 rule by implication. The way out is to set the timing in college.

schools, in the past, were more flexible about birth dates (but at least no longer here in Texas). Students MUST BE born before September 1 in order to begin schooling sooooo anyone born on Sept 2 will be 18 all of their senior year.

 

[SkyBubble]

I believe enforcement of the underage policy only seems arbitrary to those who:

1. Think that Literotica established the laws on legal age in the USA
2. Think that they should be allowed to stretch the rules, or
3. Are unable or unwilling to comprehend the rules

I think it might be a few more people than that. But I can see why they would think it's arbitrary. I'm not saying it is.