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MarshAlien said:Frank and Bobby struck as me ordinary creepos, albeit ordinary nature-loving creepos. Jeni really bothered me; it's not until the middle of the second page, when she's actually been tied up, and had all her clothes sliced off of her that you describe her "internal doomsayer" as "fully awake now, screeching at her for being so damn stupid, letting herself be tied up."
I think the rest of us were there as soon as she realized that Frank, a creepo from the first time we meet him, had been in the back of the truck the whole time and Bobbby hadn't bothered to mention it. But now, she seems to swing back and forth between thinking she's in trouble and thinking that she's in some idyllic paradise, although the only real evidence for that seems to be that she gets to go for a nice walk with Bobby. If Frank hadn't appeared until [much later, I could maybe buy her settling in with Bobby, and accepting a weekend with a guy she accepted a ride with.
As for continuing, if you're going to let Jeni become one of those rape victims who learns to love her assaulters, I would say no. There are enough of those stories out there already, and it seems to me they merely play into a masculine fantasy about how women "want" to be treated. If you're going to turn her into a victim of Stockholm syndrome, responding not to the rape but simply to her identification with her captors, then maybe yes, although I think it will be hard to pull off. And if you're going to have her turn the tables on her captors with some sort of delicious sexual torture, then yes, by all means finish it. Jeni's progression from naif to dominatrix will be a lot of fun to watch.
In an environmentally friendly way, of course. But of course, as we like to say over in the Story Feedback Forum, we're not here to tell you what you should do in the future. We're here to tell you what you shouldn't have done in the past.![]()
starrkers said:Now I'm trying to figure out who leaves and who dies, because they can't all get out of this unscathed.
The story seems a lot more like a Halloween tale than one associated with Earth Day. Overall, it's a well-written n/c piece. Even if it might be a little formulaic, I can see some hints that it's not going to stay that way. I'm surprised to learn it was written in haste- it sure feels like you put a lot of thought into it. I think the major shortcoming of the story is the wavering perspective. I'm also not sure about revealing that Bobby and Frank are murderers. While this knowledge might increase the tension regarding Jeni's ultimate fate, it decreases the mystery and eroticism- it's really hard to share her sexual excitement when I know what they have planned. As a plot ingredient, I like that Bobby and Frank are absolutely evil, instead of run of the mill rapists, but I think it is revealed too soon and distances the reader from Jeni's experience.Starrkers said:Unnatural Progression was originally written as an entry in the Earth Day Contest. It was written fast with a second instalment to come later and appeared in the Non Consent category.
I noticed the issues with Jeni's position and maybe one where she can see while blindfolded. Other than those, I only saw one typo- I think it was 'on' instead of 'only'.Starrkers said:As posted, it has not been edited by anyone other than me, so I'm sure it has several errors. I am aware of one, where I have her roll onto her back and it should be stomach.
I'm still having a lot of trouble believing Jeni doesn't make a run for it sometime during that walk. Other than Jeni being a pinch too naive for a seasoned hitchhiker, I didn't have any issue with the characters. How much room for movement is there? Plenty. You can go anywhere with this one.Starrkers said:What I'm looking for is clarification of the characters and whether it's worth completing. How well defined are the characters, are they believable, and how much room for movement is there without moving out of character.
If this was my story, Jeni would realize they intend to kill her soon- especially since the reader already knows. She'd then try to imagine any way out and the best way I can think of is to play one against the other. She could start paying attention to only one of them, to the point of even faking orgasms with him while more or less just laying there for his companion. I could believe this leading to a rift where one man wants to keep her longer and the other insists on carrying through with the original plan. From there, the story can go a lot of places other than the aforementioned burial site- and I hope no one wants it to go there.Starrkers said:I keep changing my mind about how this will all come out.
I like this idea.Marsh said:If Frank hadn't appeared until much later, I could maybe buy her settling in with Bobby, and accepting a weekend with a guy she accepted a ride with.
Oh. I'm totally willing to do both!Marsh said:But of course, as we like to say over in the Story Feedback Forum, we're not here to tell you what you should do in the future. We're here to tell you what you shouldn't have done in the past.
Good, because it would have been!Starrkers said:My original plan was to have her acquiesce to the whole deal and then get dropped off at a roadhouse somewhere when the weekend ended. I nixed that as totally lame.
I guess it depends whether you're gonna submit part two for Halloween...Starrkers said:Now I'm trying to figure out who leaves and who dies, because they can't all get out of this unscathed.
Penelope Street said:If this was my story, Jeni would realize they intend to kill her soon- especially since the reader already knows. She'd then try to imagine any way out and the best way I can think of is to play one against the other. She could start paying attention to only one of them, to the point of even faking orgasms with him while more or less just laying there for his companion. I could believe this leading to a rift where one man wants to keep her longer and the other insists on carrying through with the original plan. From there, the story can go a lot of places other than the aforementioned burial site- and I hope no one wants it to go there.
Guess I missed that one, but would the similarity be an issue? No matter what Jeni does, some character in another story has probably done it too. So how does the actress escape and what happens to her captors?MarshAlien said:You have to make sure, though, that you don't get too close to Irving Wallace's 'The Fan Club', where they kidnap an actress, ostensibly to get a ransom, but then simply to rape her. She kind of does the same thing to the guys in that story.
starrkers said:My original plan was to have her acquiesce to the whole deal and then get dropped off at a roadhouse somewhere when the weekend ended. I nixed that as totally lame.
Now I'm trying to figure out who leaves and who dies, because they can't all get out of this unscathed.
Penelope Street said:I really didn't care for this POV shift: Bobby was totally at ease -- he often had women here. He knew how it worked. They either settled down after the initial surprise or they didn't. If they settled, they both had fun; if they didn't, Bobby still got a weekend away from the road.Not only is the perspective change an issue, but it is really too much for me to believe that many other women have taken pleasure from being raped. And wouldn't it make for a better story if Jeni was unique in enjoying it?
She turned to the bathroom, missing the raised eyebrow from Frank and answering nod and smile from Bobby.
She been tied up and stripped and knifepoint and left
desperately trying to remove the blindfold
"Oh, man, she's wet." Frank's voice held awe - it usually took a bit of work to get them in the mood. But she was there already, despite her protestations.
She wasn't aware of Bobby, loosening and repositioning the ropes holding her wrists, giving them more free play until Frank dropped her legs off his shoulders and flipped her on her back, still buried deep inside her.
until on the head remained inside
Unable to resist, no longer caring about the plan, Frank flipped her onto her back again and began pounding
The blindfold was removed. Bobby was smiling down into her eyes.