Star Wars: The Untold Episodes - No Chance for a New Hope

[bjhass]

I haven't decided if I want to role play this idea, write it, or ask someone else to write it. So I think I'll just put the idea out there and see what kind of feedback I get.

The basic idea is an alternate ending to the first episode where instead of dying, Darth Maul kidnaps Queen Amidala. Maybe he was supposed to deliver her to the Trade Federation or something like that but instead he keeps her for his own purposes. Who knows, maybe in the long run she becomes his apprentice . . . Darth Amidala?

 

[ShiningShadow]

*Somewhat of a long-timer on the Star Wars universe.*

The Sith Lords may have been willing to work through anyone (such as the Trade Federation officials, etc.), but to be an "actual Darth", Amidala would have had to have had Force capabilities: whether latent (and thus an AU) or somehow acquired, possibly via the 'imposition' of them on a previously non-Force-user through a dark side technique at least once demonstrated by Sidious/Palpatine in the Dark Empire series. If the latter, are you proposing that Maul would be powerful enough to actually use this technique, which has heretofore been claimed to been understood only by the most advanced dark siders? Or, if in turn the former, are you asking for a complete rewrite of her backstory, which would necessarily change her behavior from the beginning?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Amidala was about the same age as Luke was when he was found. There's no reason Amidala couldn't use the force. Episode I BS aside there is no good reason why anybody and everybody couldn't use the force. Anakin was special because he had a really high mitochlorian count and showed a lot of natural talent.

The real problem with Darth Amidala (and given the names we know for the Sith I'm pretty sure it's granted or chosen and has little to do with your real name.) is it requires a dead Palpatine since there are only supposed to be two at any given time. Though I'm pretty sure that's bullshit too.

 

[emap]

Try playing the online game sometime, there are tons more than two.

Fairly sure the only two thing is only two are involved in any one plot. Which would make a small amount of sense. Small because really, if you are going up against people with the same level of power just the reverse, sorta, of what you got, only two against whatever they bring sucks.

Now, the basic idea isn't bad, just why Amidala? I mean if it's because Natalie Portman is a hotty, great, otherwise, why? I mean the universe is huge, you don't even have to take characters developed by Lucas and the writers he gave permission to. Just take the world and come up with two new people. Keep in mind, there are only two KNOWN sith in Episode 1-3.

The apprentice, as established in the books, can have an apprentice. Doesn't mean the apprentice to the apprentice goes to the master at death of the apprentice. So perhaps Darth Maul has an apprentice who got horny and nabbed someone like above idea. Perhaps it was an apprentice of Dooku, who was a jedi so knows how to grab a young jedi from the temple before her training is complete.

Oh my god, I sound like a trekky, except it's star wars. Yeah doesn't help, I'm going to go find something intelligent to do.

 

[lauren26f]

Sex Wars: A New Ho

The Death Star becomes The Sex Star.

Darth Vader is basically the big time brothel operator. He kidnaps Princess Leia and makes her A New Ho. Anyway, Luke has a real boner for Leia and wants to save her from being a Ho. He finds Obi-Wan, an former good brothel owner, and teaches Luke how to be a great lover with the force and a sexual liberator. Vader uses the Force to enslave. Luke meets Hand Job and Chewpussy and they take the Millennium Pussy Wagon to the Sex Star. Add in R2D2 and C3PO as master sex toys, the Screwtroopers... roflmao

 

[Sean Renaud]

I've only played a little of the online games and KotoR. It seems to be established by those stories however that Sith and Jedi generally existed in roughly equal numbers once upon a time and we'll see if they ever explain what the fuck happened.

Sith seem however to be superior in combat. Force Lightning is pretty damn impressive. Though interestingly (to me) if you pay attention to Luke in the movies and to Yoda's advice on how you access the Dark Side I'm pretty sure you can switch damn near on a dime. Certainly Luke was tapping into the Dark Side everytime he started beating Vader.

I was under the impression that the Apprentice can't have an Apprentice, if they can THAT clears up a lot of potential hiccups if you care about adhering to the cannon but Star Wars has one of the most convoluted cannons in the goddamned universe. Nobody is even really sure what the status is of the tons of books in the universe.

As for the only two rule. That honestly drove me fucking nuts watching the I-III. I kept screaming, you dumb fucks clearly rule the galaxy. What interest do you have in goddamn balance. It's like someone winning a game and deciding to spot you fifty points.

I like the idea though of Darth Amidala or whatever better name can be chosen for a Sith Sex Slave. There is a comic of this somewhere.

 

[ShiningShadow]

There's no reason Amidala couldn't use the force. Episode I BS aside there is no good reason why anybody and everybody couldn't use the force. Anakin was special because he had a really high mitochlorian count and showed a lot of natural talent.

Everyone in the galaxy (though potentially not outside of it) is a part of the Force, but sufficient Force sensitivity to interact with it and manipulate it is much rarer. ...Period. If Amidala had been FS, there's no way Lucas wouldn't have made it abundantly clear at the first chance he had, which would've been around one hundred seconds into the chronologically first movie.

The real problem with Darth Amidala (and given the names we know for the Sith I'm pretty sure it's granted or chosen and has little to do with your real name.) is it requires a dead Palpatine since there are only supposed to be two at any given time. Though I'm pretty sure that's bullshit too.

The Rule of Two was instituted by Darth Bane ~1,000 years before the Battle of Yavin, supposedly as a result of the Sith philosophies constantly resulting in their killing each other off (nevermind having to face the Jedi as well), and thus resulting in continual chaotic failure. After Return of the Jedi (as well as preceding Bane), SW canon has plenty of examples of people throwing that (George Lucasian) rule aside. Behind the scenes, the Rule of Two was introduced into SW specifically because George Lucas decided, by executive fiat, to make it an institution of the Sith (possibly because he believed that higher exclusionism would make the Sith somehow more evil). Preceding 'the great, singular genius' imposing his ideas on literally everyone else involved, the 'Rule' was never not found, save by (dubious) claims that Sith beliefs require them to eventually turn on one another.

Now, the basic idea isn't bad, just why Amidala? I mean if it's because Natalie Portman is a hotty, great, otherwise, why? I mean the universe is huge, you don't even have to take characters developed by Lucas and the writers he gave permission to. Just take the world and come up with two new people. Keep in mind, there are only two KNOWN sith in Episode 1-3.

If Maul/Amidala is the premise of the story, then that's the given. Viable reason for her to be kidnapped/captured would be her authority over Naboo, and potentially paving the way for whatever would've happened had the Trade Federation won. As for taking characters originated by others, that's the very premise of all Star Wars fanfic, or even all Star Wars stories insofar as you're taking that galaxy, with its given maps and so forth, one way or another. And finally, no: the Rule of Two was indeed imposed by George Lucas; and he has claimed that at the end of Return of the Jedi, there "are no more Sith". That the Expanded Universe says a firm otherwise has never meant a thing to him.

 

[emap]

Oh sure they turn on each other, and the apprentice having an apprentice is found in the games and books so it's there. Especially Force Unleashed, end of the first one Vader offers to make the hero an apprentice and get rid of the emperor. Course if you do this Vader becomes the emperor literally and you become Vader, it's confusing. Memory serves the second game you start off as an apprentice to Vader since you lost your memory and he wants you to clear the galaxy of others then help him take out the emperor.

Everything having to do with Star Wars was vetted by Lucas. So the rule of two is about as there as the smallest violin.

As for the turning on each other, sure we are talking about power mad people. Anytime you get a group of those together they will fight to see who is the leader. Doesn't matter what they do, group of CEO's, police chief's so on so forth, they will fight to see who is the top dog. Sith just kill each other if they can get away with it. Since the guy at the top right now doesn't want wimps, that's not hard.

 

[ShiningShadow]

Oh sure they turn on each other, and the apprentice having an apprentice is found in the games and books so it's there. Especially Force Unleashed, end of the first one Vader offers to make the hero an apprentice and get rid of the emperor. Course if you do this Vader becomes the emperor literally and you become Vader, it's confusing. Memory serves the second game you start off as an apprentice to Vader since you lost your memory and he wants you to clear the galaxy of others then help him take out the emperor.

Everything having to do with Star Wars was vetted by Lucas. So the rule of two is about as there as the smallest violin.

If Vader and the apprentice killed the Emperor, there's still two, no?

It may have been vetted (which I assume means sold) by Lucas to Disney, but the canon material, i.e. numerous books, say, period, that the Rule of Two was instituted by Darth Bane. I.e., it's a situation that lasted for roughly 1,000 years. Maybe you and others disagree with me, but I find the accuracy of the small details to immensely add to a given work's effect of willing suspension of disbelief.

As for the turning on each other, sure we are talking about power mad people. Anytime you get a group of those together they will fight to see who is the leader. Doesn't matter what they do, group of CEO's, police chief's so on so forth, they will fight to see who is the top dog. Sith just kill each other if they can get away with it. Since the guy at the top right now doesn't want wimps, that's not hard.

Refusing to admit wimps, and/or sifting for weakness, is a far cry from saying that there cannot be more than two Sith, period, i.e. one master and one apprentice. And if you look at the examples of 'third' members followed by whatever stories/games, it eventually comes back to reducing the numbers down to only two again, during the "1,000 year era".

Basically, if you ignore such, then the label of AU should be put on the story.

EDIT: *Will begin to provide a brief description of the story apparently being requested here, shortly.*

 

[Sean Renaud]

Why would Lucas have made it obvious if Amidala was Force Sensitive enough to be trained. It's all but flat out stated (in the movies, to say nothing of the books where she DOES receive some basic training) that Leia could use the Force if she'd take the time out to train. But it's basically one throw away line about "no there is another" and Vader implying that somehow (without any living Jedi mind you) that Leia would get trained up and take up the family business if Luke refused.

Considering everything is supposedly vetted by Lucas (or was, he gave up the franchise a while back) he's pretty flaky on a fair amount of things and Disney has basically flat out stated that if it's not in a movie it's only as cannon as they feel like it being.

Which is fine, annoying, but fine. I mean there's an entire planet of Force Witches, there's a planet with Force blocking bugs. At least one Jedi Clone got away. The Emperor was a racist/speciest but nothing in the movies supports that and the existance of Darth Maul seems to contradict it (but who knows. He's also fairly pragmatic and perhaps when he met the baddest man in the galaxy he just threw up his hands and said "well, I hate aliens but I'm not cutting this guy loose. Guess I'll get over it!" Which considering he killed Liam "Goddamn" Neeson I don't think anybody can argue he got a good deal.

As for Darth Amidala though I still like that as a concept.

 

[ShiningShadow]

Why would Lucas have made it obvious if Amidala was Force Sensitive enough to be trained. It's all but flat out stated (in the movies, to say nothing of the books where she DOES receive some basic training) that Leia could use the Force if she'd take the time out to train. But it's basically one throw away line about "no there is another" and Vader implying that somehow (without any living Jedi mind you) that Leia would get trained up and take up the family business if Luke refused.

Leia is a daughter of Anakin Skywalker by Padme Amidala, same as Luke is. As it is an apparently hereditary trait (regardless of the damned midichlorian crap), they both received Force sensitivity from him. Leia's children (with Han), in the Expanded Universe, are Jedi as well; that doesn't mean Han is, or can ever be one. Sometimes Force sensitives are born to non-Force sensitives, but that means that siblings might not share that necessary prerequisite.

Considering everything is supposedly vetted by Lucas (or was, he gave up the franchise a while back) he's pretty flaky on a fair amount of things and Disney has basically flat out stated that if it's not in a movie it's only as cannon as they feel like it being.

Calling George Lucas flaky is like calling the sun hot. And if Disney has said that, then that means they'll be destroying the Expanded Universe material, so fuck them.

Which is fine, annoying, but fine. I mean there's an entire planet of Force Witches, there's a planet with Force blocking bugs. At least one Jedi Clone got away. The Emperor was a racist/speciest but nothing in the movies supports that and the existance of Darth Maul seems to contradict it (but who knows. He's also fairly pragmatic and perhaps when he met the baddest man in the galaxy he just threw up his hands and said "well, I hate aliens but I'm not cutting this guy loose. Guess I'll get over it!" Which considering he killed Liam "Goddamn" Neeson I don't think anybody can argue he got a good deal.

As for Darth Amidala though I still like that as a concept.

Palpatine was indeed human-supremacist; on the other hand, he also deeply admired real power, by anyone at all; one of the reasons he had no trouble keeping Thrawn on as a (his greatest) Grand Admiral/military genius. Maul's Force power would only be further incentive. In the end, Maul was also half-near-human, and the only real difference was that he had horns from his Iridonian/Zabrak heritage, so ultimately Palpatine might've rather been a "humanoid-supremacist", if it makes any sense.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Leia does have the pedigree. I was merely pointing out that the idea that Lucas would have made that clear quickly or even at all just doesn't jive particularly well with what learned about Leia and when. And yes Force Sensitivity seems to hereditary. It's just that we don't have much evidence that you can't just pick up random kids off the street and train them. I happen to agree that it's somewhat unlikely. Just that given what we know about the past with Force Users and Expanded Universe (which has always been of questionable cannon, but seems to be just shy of thrown out with Disney. I would hate on Disney but between what I've seen from Marvel and the Muppets after Disney acquired them they've earned me seeing what Episode 7 is before I condemn them. According to IGN it looks like they are sticking with Jacen, Anakin and Jaina? I stopped reading before one of them went Sith but that's the last rumor I heard.

I guess I need to read more than what I have as far as Palpatine goes. I don't see much if any evidence from anything other than the Thrawn Trilogy (which is outstanding but it sounds like you've read it) that supports the concept of him hating non-humans. I know it's been stated but it seems more likely to be more about the budget in the 80's than anything else. It's not as if the Rebels have a whole lot of aliens.

It's just one of many inconsistencies in the Star Wars Universe but given that I don't remember Luke's age in IV but he can't be more than 20. Twenty fucking years ago the universe was literally controlled by a Jedi Council! How in the eleven frozen hells are there SO MANY PEOPLE who don't believe? In real life I can understand not believing in God(s). Han Solo looks old enough that he should have if not been face to face with a Jedi at least been well aware of them.

 

[ShiningShadow]

Leia does have the pedigree. I was merely pointing out that the idea that Lucas would have made that clear quickly or even at all just doesn't jive particularly well with what learned about Leia and when.

I think that was more the reveal that Leia was Luke's sister. And technically, yes, any decent writer would not have had to reveal that Padme was FS, if she was, immediately at the start; that is merely my allusion to the fact that I find Lucas to be one of the worst writers of scripts in history, and not just because of his (once self-proclaimed!) status as "the king of wooden dialogue". If necessary, I'm sure one could find direct evidence of Lucas/SW people saying that Amidala is not FS, at least to the degree required for the Jedi.

And yes Force Sensitivity seems to hereditary. It's just that we don't have much evidence that you can't just pick up random kids off the street and train them. I happen to agree that it's somewhat unlikely. Just that given what we know about the past with Force Users and Expanded Universe (which has always been of questionable cannon, but seems to be just shy of thrown out with Disney. I would hate on Disney but between what I've seen from Marvel and the Muppets after Disney acquired them they've earned me seeing what Episode 7 is before I condemn them. According to IGN it looks like they are sticking with Jacen, Anakin and Jaina? I stopped reading before one of them went Sith but that's the last rumor I heard.

It comes down to whether you accept the Expanded Universe (EU) as canon, then. In the books, there's direct stories of given "side characters" trying to be Jedi, but finding that they physically can't, and thus charting some other course in their lives; one of Anakin Solo's friends did this, in fact. In regards to the movies, if you could indeed just train anyone, then why didn't Yoda and Obi-Wan just go find whomever, in their respective isolation/s? Dagobah might have been uninhabited, but Tatooine certainly was not; Tahiri Veila, the one Anakin Solo would've likely married had he lived, was a FS raised by Sand People who had captured her as a young girl. Without Force Sensitivity being very rare, the entire premise of the last of the Jedi waiting for Luke and/or Leia makes no sense at all.

I guess I need to read more than what I have as far as Palpatine goes. I don't see much if any evidence from anything other than the Thrawn Trilogy (which is outstanding but it sounds like you've read it) that supports the concept of him hating non-humans. I know it's been stated but it seems more likely to be more about the budget in the 80's than anything else. It's not as if the Rebels have a whole lot of aliens.

Again, EU material once more, along with those huge numbers of humans, and little else, on the Imperial warships. Likewise, the Wookiees were enslaved, as Chewbacca was rescued by a young Imperial lieutenant/captain (or something) named Han Solo; the Mon Calamari (Admiral Ackbar's people) were likewise enslaved. As said before, I'm convinced that Palpatine accepted those who showed power, period, and had fewer problems with 'aliens' that could help him acquire and/or retain it. If they couldn't, then he was mildly racist in the "selfish" sense of "I want to be surrounded by beings I find to be pleasant to my senses", etc.

It's just one of many inconsistencies in the Star Wars Universe but given that I don't remember Luke's age in IV but he can't be more than 20. Twenty fucking years ago the universe was literally controlled by a Jedi Council! How in the eleven frozen hells are there SO MANY PEOPLE who don't believe? In real life I can understand not believing in God(s). Han Solo looks old enough that he should have if not been face to face with a Jedi at least been well aware of them.

Luke's age has been give as 18 in A New Hope, which thereby places Revenge of the Sith that much time earlier. As for "controlled" by the Jedi Council, no they weren't; the Galactic Republic was controlled by a decrepit form of politics, which basically resembled that of the Roman Empire in its last decades before the barbarian invasions, and soon enough by Palpatine alone (who went so far as to claim to be the Senate, when Mace Windu attempted to arrest him). Regarding the power wielded by Jedi (or Sith), most people literally had to have only heard stories from secondhand or further, given that there were thousands of Jedi...but hundreds of trillions of sentients, if that few. Even when the Jedi were known to exist, there were eras when plenty of people didn't accept what they taught about life, but rather simply feared and wanted to stay the hell away from them (one Sullustan, on a recording in the game Knights of the Old Republic 2, is recorded as saying "When Jedi get mad, they destroy things, set galaxy on fire!"); many also saw the Jedi and Sith as the same thing, and the Dawn of the Jedi series is teaching that that view is actually rather correct, if one goes back far enough. Han didn't believe not because he didn't believe them to have power, but because he was set in his ways and mocked mystical ideas in general.

...Anyway. What this thread is asking for is actually quite simple: for Darth Maul to have not dicked around when Obi-Wan was dangling over that shaft, and simply made quick work of him by hitting him with a combination Force wave and lightsaber stab, etc. From that moment forward, no Naboo force could've stopped him from capturing their queen. If she had refused to surrender even then, you have your story of Maul potentially gaining interest in this stubborn, independent (yet royal) young woman, and deciding to try to break her, and/or then make her like him.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Lucas does suck at dialogue.

I accept the EU as semi-cannon. It seems to me that if you read enough of it especially with the games included that if they're aren't outright conflicts it's certainly interesting (even if you accept that Force Sensitivity is rare) that we went from grand battles of Jedi and Sith to them being close to extinct. (Though it seems like very couple of novels we find someone who's self trained.) As for Yoda and Obi-Wan the reason they didn't train anybody up is simple. Yoda was hiding on a distant rock and didn't feel he could risk leaving and Ben was keeping an eye on Ani's child. Also depending on how you interpret it that pesky prophesy might have been influencing their actions.

Point taken on the Wookies and Mon Calamari. I'd forgotten all about what had happened to both races. Guess that pretty much wraps that up.

Eighteen years still seems like a short period of time for people not to believe. It wasn't JUST Han, we also see the guy who makes fun of Vader and gets Force Choked. It seems to me that between the time lapse of roughly 18 years and Vader being fairly well known even into the current day that people not believing in the Force is absurd. Which as you note is different from not believing in their philosophy. Their philosophy is at best half retarded but they exist.

I agree with your scenario. Darth Maul finishes of Obi-Wan. Jedi and Sith are massively OP so nothing left on the planet would have served as more than a minor road bump for him. He then spends the rest of his time taming Amidala perhaps with the ultimate goal of installing her as a puppet ruler. Hell if we're sticking with the Only Two rule he somehow keeps her secret from Palpatine claiming one of the Crime Lords somehow got her. While the Hutts are generally presented as fairly minor thugs, Jabba is also compared to Xisor and everything in Shadows of the Empire suggests there was more than just Palpatine that kept Vader from fucking with him and plenty of reason why the Empire openly accepted the Prince. Or he could claim she was somehow killed in the conflict either way when he's ready he "finds" her and presents her and Palpatine never sees it coming.

It would be interesting to see what mind tricks Sith actually have access to and what techniques he would employ to break her spirit. I'm fairly well versed in Star Wars but clearly Shining Shadow is quite a bit beyond me.

 

[ShiningShadow]

I concede that Lucas did stretch the bounds of credibility with Imperial leaders, like the one on the Death Star, calling "that...religion" "ancient". The solution accepted (or perhaps invented) by the fanbase is that he was alluding to when it started, versus the "modern era, where sensible people don't believe in such superstitions". I am absolutely positive no one in that room, with the possible exception of Tarkin, had ever seen a Force ability in action before; the atmosphere simply requires it. And again, even when the Jedi were active, they were thousands while their potential 'viewers' were hundreds of trillions. Seeing a Jedi was likely tantamount to seeing an angel (or a dark angel, in the case of Vader/Sith).

And while we're on that subject/simile, it should be noted that claimed angel sightings continue to this very day, of what at least look like people showing up out of literal nowhere (no sight of them approaching from the distance before they're suddenly very close by), and then, after doing something necessary for someone to be okay, vanishing into equal nowhere (turn head and back, and no longer there). What does this have to do with SW? Well, with such sightings, why does the image of what amounts to a 'pixie with a halo' stay around as strongly as it does? There are in fact no reports, that I can ever find, of such; they are simply an artistic creation, and labeled with the 'angel' name; yet that art continues getting circulated as "good as anything else". Why?

Rumor, hearsay, and public sentiment quickly fill gaps left in any reports; and on any question that might not be fully answered (and I'd imagine the Jedi, with their ways, would leave a lot of mystification in others), people are quite willing to make up what they want to think. In the SW EU canon, it's now pretty apparent that galactic attitudes towards the Jedi shifted like waves over the millennia. At one period liberators, next moment terrifying and likely lethal demigods. If human history (which is only four thousand years old, by comparison) is any indication, what notions would be the more likely to survive down through the ages: gentle kindnesses, or demonstrations of overwhelming power? If anything, the least likely aspect of the stories is that the citizens of the galaxy didn't treat the Jedi/Sith like the Egyptians treated their pharaohs: understanding is not required for interacting with 'physical gods', only obedience.

The number of self-trained Force users encountered is quite simply a consumer gimmick. 'Everyone' wants to use 'cool Force powers', or read books about these super-beings, so they make licensed games where you can play as them, and write stories where they are followed. When was the last time you played as Owen and Baru Lars' neighbors on Tatooine ("if there's a bright center of the universe, you're on the planet that is farthest from")? Star Wars quite simply morphed from a pretty decent science fiction and fantasy opera into a cash cow franchise in and around 1983, when George Lucas changed Wookiees, who were initially very believably slated to be slave labor used to construct the second Death Star, into Ewoks (move the hard 'E' sound to the opposite side of "Ewok", and see what you get), so he could sell small plastic teddy bears via McDonald's happy meals. In the New Jedi Order series (impressive, but deeply flawed, and eventually enraging), Anakin Solo was killed off because George Effing Lucas thought that his story and his grandfather's were too close, and that fans wouldn't be able to sufficiently tell the difference. Of course, given that his notion of "fan" is those who buy his almost useless knick-knacks, he was probably correct concerning their potential brainpower. In any case, Star Wars was 80% market driven after Phantom Menace, and 20% driven by Lucas running roughshod over the EU canon, and always immediately deciding his new version 'had always been the correct one'.

Sorry about how long that went. Finally back onto the initial subject of the thread, and the one that's by far the more interesting:

I don't know how much Maul would need "mind tricks" with Amidala, if the situation simply became the new norm for her, as the weeks, months and years passed. Given that this is the Literotica forum where this kind of SW story is being discussed, I feel more at ease with plainly stating my belief that women, be they Padme or Shmi (Anakin's mother) or any other, admire and are attracted to Power, when realistically portrayed. They may 'talk idealism' and honestly want to better the world around them if at all possible, but if they watch the 'good guys' fall to a 'more emotionally impressive' set of 'bad guys'...they'll begin reevaluating that idealism in the face of 'the new order' they're seeing, if the latter continues winning. Apologies if that, and more besides, offends women on this forum; it's what I plainly see from reality, both historical and contemporary.

Anyway: "order". Women generally function better in orderly environments than in chaotic (whereas such isn't always the case for men) ; this has been biologically demonstrated, in the RL scientific world, via study of actual female brain wave patterns. In the case of Maul, for all his willingness to engage in murderous violence, he does so with such a cold, calm mentality that it would likely quickly become something a bit other than terrifying/horrifying to Amidala. I.e., if Maul...the being, man, who killed her erstwhile Jedi "protectors" and thus inevitably demonstrated them to be the weaker...is not only not actually abusive but even calm and focused while 'simply' requiring absolute obedience without any hesitation...then you would see any realistically portrayed Amidala begin to behave like more than a few real life female Maul fans who've more-than-publicly proclaimed that they'd love to do "anything" he wanted. To put it simply, any 'mind trick' on his part would not need much emphasis, if employed in a way that connected it to seduction. If and when she 'gives in' for a first time, though...that would be when to begin increasing the proverbial pressure, and make a trickle into a flood.

...And now I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the one who needs to write this story.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think you've made a really good case that you should write it. I would (and if I end up writing this I will but clearly you're better qualified) still end up using the Force quite a bit. It seems a waste not to. Kinda like I can't really see the point in writing Spiderman and Black Cat porn if you're not going to have the two of them 69ing while hanging from a flag pole.

I honestly have read much of the Solo kids. I agree with everything you said though.

The only brief argument I'd make (which honestly could be easily counted by pointing out they probably have great special effects) but the sightings of Angels we get, to me are different from the sightings of Jedi. In the latter three movies it seems most people likd you said, haven't seen a force user. In the first three (The Anakin Trilogy) people don't really seem to be shocked at these laser blocking, ten foot jumping guys. I'm sure all that's on security cams! Now I suppose it could be convincingly faked but still. If an angel showed up at a major sports event (like the Colloseum battle at the end of II) and started whooshing around A LOT of people would find religion REALLY fast.

 

[ShiningShadow]

Granted, they weren't surprised, but how do we know it wasn't their equivalent of a WWE episode (not 'match', or anything resembling sports) on a given Thursday night? Maybe the 'gladiators' had hidden rocket packs, or something else of the smoke and mirrors variety, to give everyone an increased sense of Entertainment. We all know they didn't, but the environment in which they were demonstrating their power was not exactly the most scientific, or even for that matter political. Granted again, people seemed to be more accepting of the existence of the Jedi in general, but how many of the "NPCs" in the stands show any interaction whatsoever with them? They might oooh and ahhh, at a safe distance, toward capabilities Jedi might demonstrate, but the 'stay the hell away from them' pattern seems to hold pretty well.

As for an angel 'whooshing' around at a major sports event, be aware that in our understanding of their qualities (whether reality or not, beside the point), they can't actually be harmed or stopped by corporeal beings. If someone did the same thing in a Harrier, enough people would know that such a thing has limitations that they wouldn't immediate prostrate themselves on the floor, and beg for mercy; whereas more savage peoples might. If you take this thinking to its conclusion, even, you have the potential of the Naboo (starting from their leadership down) surrendering to the power demonstrated by a Sith Lord like Maul, if he can so straightforwardly kill Jedi.

Actually, when I think it over, I wonder if the Sith could've been practically adored as galactic overlords, if 'certain writers' didn't keep writing them as having a "Stupid Evil" alignment. Several European dictatorships of the 1920s-1940s are the actual 'record-holders' for highest legitimate approval ratings in modern political history (yes, they were actually that popular among the masses), and the strongest of them never did actually fall from anything internally generated. In the case of Naboo in SW, the people once tried to make Amidala their permanent, non-elected queen (and by definition, given her personal rulership style, their absolute monarch), which she turned down...in a world where Maul lost. Lots of options, in a story where he didn't.

Finally, regarding Force use: I have no problems with him using the Force often enough, per se. I simply question whether he'd need, or want, to mind control her in a heavy-handed manner, especially as she didn't seem to have the weak mind (quite the contrary, in fact) that Obi-Wan's famous quote alludes to. In Phantom Menace, when she voices her disapproval to Qui-Gon Jinn's plan...once in the guise of a Handmaiden, and once off to the side, where he (probably) can't hear...she, the ostensible Queen of Naboo, still goes along with it. This is no inconsequential fact: when pushed, Amidala submitted to the authority of someone more powerful than her. While she would almost certainly recoil at first from the prospect of obeying a Sith Lord, in the end any willingness on his part to interact with her, actually listen to her (she was elected as a monarch, by a planetary population), and answer any 'outrages' she might have would, I believe, begin having a marked effect on her behavior. She once told a Jedi Master she 'didn't approve'? A Sith Lord could respond, "I do not need your approval. You need mine."

Maul wouldn't need mind 'tricks', for a vulnerable Amidala; only his mind.

 

[Sean Renaud]

All outstanding points. I wasn't honestly disagreeing with you about him not needing the Force. Your point there was perfect. My point was more than I just think if you were making a a story that the use of the Force is mandatory cus that's what makes them special.

Also I completely agree that it would be nice to see a few writers write the Sith as something other that Stupid Evil. (A Fellow TV Troper! Good God. We may have plenty of things to talk about in the future.) I hate that in almost all fiction and I often point it out. Especially with comic villains (especially Lex who I think generally has a very good point about being dependent on Superman isn't a good thing no matter how you twist it. God knows they've written enough stories about Superman dying and run of the mill criminals damn near rulling the world, or him going evil or getting mind controlled or whatever.) but that happens in enough fiction that if I cried everytime I'd die of dehydration.

 

[GorgeousGeekGirl]

Well, this isn't a reply to the Darth Maul shags Amidala idea, just shameless self promotion of my Star Wars fan fic story. It's called Too Much of a Good Thing, and I summarized it as "Ultimate gangbang by Storm Trooper clones." Hope y'all enjoy.

http://www.literotica.com/s/too-much-of-a-good-thing-3

 

[ShiningShadow]

Understandable that a SW story that involves Force users would call for storyline that employs such. I would merely point out that a SW story doesn't necessarily have to have it, if the story's protagonist is sufficiently prominent without; i.e., Han Solo at Star's End, and similar texts. Dash Rendar was another (somewhat a "younger Han without any Leia" idea, when he was first written), and Boba Fett is of course an amoral, yet fascinating, example.

The reason many if not most licensed writers give villains like the Sith such idiotic behavior patterns is often because the 'suits' require that the given bad guys not be allowed to be more enticing than the good, and certainly not any notion, in Western civilization's sometimes near-obsession with democracy, that any system with any hints of fascist behavior (individual dominant will, personality-based charismatic dictating, etc.) could ever be more effective at true governance than the Republic system that the SW good guys' side even names themselves after. Basically, anti-heroes are regularly shackled by 'moral guardians', because of 'what message they might send'; which, indeed, would be precisely the reason I would write most of it. Upset those damn applecarts, and have Han shoot a BAZOOKA first, if it makes the point.

But I could go on for hours about this. So back to topic...

There is a SW graphic novel series, written a decade or so ago, called Star Wars: Infinities, which told alternate histories of SW after a given break point from what happened in the movies; the stories were not sequential, as each was a break from the main story, and ran to the general area of time of where the original trilogy concluded. I read the first two of them (never got around to the third), and I found them well-made, even if some of the plot points were a bit of a reach (not more than some other things in the 'primary' storylines, though). However, there was one point that was exceptionally bad, and really couldn't be changed, given who was in charge. Namely, the good guys ALWAYS won, and in ways that might as well have made the story straight out of My Little Pony...that is, a "cutish" anime series subtitled, "The Power of Friendship."

No matter how much power the Galactic Empire's military had, the good guys WOULD win, and in 'good' ways; period. There was no exploration of darker tendencies in the forces of ostensible good, no asking how far 'all costs' might be for a given hero to go to. In fact, it was more like "victory at no costs", even if, 'if necessary', that meant more Ewok arrows causing Superlative Imperial Legions to panic, scream, and flee...despite, of course, the arrows being physically visible in the camera shot as bouncing off the same stormtrooper armor that can be ripped through by a single blaster shot.

"...Power of Friendship, activate...!!"

...

Ever heard of the "Endor Holocaust"? That link, written from an in-character perspective, claims that it's "Imperial propaganda". Sanity and common sense, referenced in the behind-the-scenes section, explains that said propaganda was fan developed, by someone who looked at things scientifically. Their reply? And I quote:

"[Pablo] Hidalgo also acknowledges the environmental consequences expected from the destruction of a planetoid-sized battle station so close to a habitable moon, but claims that the laws of physics can be 'thrown out the window' for the sake of a story which George Lucas intended to have a 'happy ending'."

Or in other words: 'We don't want to think about unpleasant things that can't be avoided, so they didn't [and don't] happen.'

That about sums up the reasons why the bad guys are so often 'defanged' by authors. The suits demand a Mary Suetopia...because, I suppose, they think that taking risks is too risky?

Making something positive out of the graphic novel series name, though: Star Wars: Dark Infinities would be my series name, here.

Well, this isn't a reply to the Darth Maul shags Amidala idea...

Not just shags her, but fully conquers her. But yes, her sexual enslavement to said conqueror would...will...be a prominent aspect.

EDIT: And...somehow 'humorous'. I just realized that this forum's mind control rules prohibit certain story directions for a period of five IC years, considering how old the Queen is when Phantom Menace takes place.

 

[Sean Renaud]

While obviously we're derailing the thread a bit I honestly could care to hear a little more about moral ambiguity in media. I find it a bit funny because my RP friends don't particularly mind moral ambiguity or hell just plain "win" so it becomes difficult at times to keep them shackled.

If you hadn't said anything (and even after you did) you could PROBABLY walk Amidala past the Lit Censors. First they are limited by their personal knowledge and not too many people were paying attention to Amidala's age. And more to the point if you're at all familar with Buffy or a few other long running tv shows it seems like again, probably due to the censors lack of knowledge but if the charachter makes it to 18, they were always eighteen. Anybody with any Buffy knowledge can simply glance at the cast and say there is a 90% chance that this was pre 18 Buffy. It starts running into some fun arguments that I've been part of when it comes to Fairy Tales vs Disney and how exactly that works out. All the Disney girls are 16 but they don't own the Fairy Tales but just like Red n White Santa (an invention of Coca-Cola a 80 odd years back) everybody knows exactly who mean when you say the Little Mermaid or Snow White.

Back to your moral ambiguity. I've read lots on the Endor Holocaust. My honest guess though is that it's yet another case of Critical Research Failure. Most writers aren't scientists and they botch very basic shit. I don't cry about the lack of an Endor Holocaust any more than I bitch about how people on TV can run, shoot one handed and if the need arrises (say Zombies) consistently get head shots on moving targets. It's not entirely impossible but it's incredibly improbable.

As for Star Wars I think it was the Courtship of Princess Leia but it may have been later. They don't really explore the moral ambuguity so much as "oops, we might have fucked up a bit". And this is one of those cases where the EU and the movies seem to conflict because at this point we know Palpatine seems to for the most part just to be a prick. The EU explains that there was some outside threat that required the entire galaxy and he simply didn't have the time or resources to both explain it to everybody and get them in line. So he made the logical choice. They also do a decent job of exploring how the New Republic is really too weak to do much and without the empire keeping them in check warlords have started carving up the Galaxy. I can EASILY see them eventually pointing out that perhaps the better call would have been Luke joins Vader, kills Palpatine and if he can't turn Vader kills him and acts in his place until he can get people in line. It would have saved them A LOT of later heart ache.

I'll look up Infinities and dedicate the next cash burning a hole in my pocket to it. Thanks for the rec!

I also like My Little Pony. You insult Rarity at your own goddamn risk. I might like you, might even consider you as much of a friend as one can call a Lit associate but I will cut you if you dis Rarity. Course I'd cut my mother or my wife if they did the same. She doesn't whine, she complains. Their similar but complaining is classier. They also wander into some if not moral ambiguity certainly some cases where it's really really easy to see the other sides point. Kinda like Magneto. He might always (fuck you usually before you correct me.) be the bad guy but it's very very easy to see why a Jewish Holocaust Survivor is reacts poorly to a government that says his race is bad and wants him to register with the government. You can disagree with his methods all you want but that really comes down to whether or not you believe America could ever become Nazi Germany.



I have no problem with in general with Mary Sues as long as the universe doesn't really really bend to their will. Or mostly I find that most of the time people claiming Mary Sue are simply wrong and either don't know the franchise well or don't know fiction well or both.

On subject however:

Where would you start this story. I'm thinking the fight simply because that's exactly where this would split from the regular cannon. Somewhere near there unless you wanted to tell it all in flash backs. I like flash backs just fine but I tend to trip myself up if I write them because I tend to just write. My writing background comes initially from role playing and writing is role playing just without the other player. But for me the process is roughly the same and I'll often have charachters run an entire side story that eventually gets deleted because it was nothing but a distraction.

 

[bjhass]

Wow, I step away from the computer for a few days and my one little thread blows up. LOL. Anyway, thanks for all the posts and ideas for my story. And even if it wasn't necessarily helpful for the story thanks for reminding me about how little I actually know about the Star Wars universe.

There's no way I'm going to get back to all the posts, but I'll try to get to the more relevant ones.

The Sith Lords may have been willing to work through anyone (such as the Trade Federation officials, etc.), but to be an "actual Darth", Amidala would have had to have had Force capabilities: whether latent (and thus an AU) or somehow acquired, possibly via the 'imposition' of them on a previously non-Force-user through a dark side technique at least once demonstrated by Sidious/Palpatine in the Dark Empire series. If the latter, are you proposing that Maul would be powerful enough to actually use this technique, which has heretofore been claimed to been understood only by the most advanced dark siders? Or, if in turn the former, are you asking for a complete rewrite of her backstory, which would necessarily change her behavior from the beginning?

I was thinking more the former but without asking for a complete rewrite of her backstory.

Now, the basic idea isn't bad, just why Amidala? I mean if it's because Natalie Portman is a hotty, great, otherwise, why? I mean the universe is huge, you don't even have to take characters developed by Lucas and the writers he gave permission to. Just take the world and come up with two new people. Keep in mind, there are only two KNOWN sith in Episode 1-3.

I'm not going to lie. Natalie Portman is a hotty. But that isn't the only reason for choosing those two characters.

I actually enjoy the idea of keeping it as close to the actual story line as possible because I enjoy the challenge of seeing how much I can change without actually changing anything.

And I thought it would be a fun twist if Luke and Leia (spoiler alert!!) weren't actually Anakin's children. And yes, I realize basically the entire story line is built around that, and you faithful Star Wars fanatics (or is it fan addicts?) are going to throw a fit, but how funny would it be if during the entire span of their relationship Anakin was being cuckolded by Maul? In my mind his killing Amildala then makes a lot more sense (i.e. he finds out the truth and they battle it out on Mustafar).

My reasons for choosing Darth Maul, besides the previously mentioned ones, are almost exclusively anatomical. I know there are probably thousands if not millions of other Zabrak, but none of them could fill the plot. As for his being killed by Obi ... well I don't want to spoil too much.

Where would you start this story. I'm thinking the fight simply because that's exactly where this would split from the regular cannon. Somewhere near there unless you wanted to tell it all in flash backs. I like flash backs just fine but I tend to trip myself up if I write them because I tend to just write. My writing background comes initially from role playing and writing is role playing just without the other player. But for me the process is roughly the same and I'll often have charachters run an entire side story that eventually gets deleted because it was nothing but a distraction.

I agree. The fight is the best place to start, just because that's where all the twists begin.



Before I made the original post I had put a total of 5 seconds of actual thought into this story. After almost a week that is up to maybe 15 minutes. There's still a long way to go in the story development process so feel free to continue to add your thoughts / suggestions / anything else. Particularly in regards to Amidala's Darth name.

Just please remember the primary purpose behind this is some hot Natalie Portman / Ray Park sex. But even if I don't like your idea it might give inspiration for another story someone else will write so don't be shy!

Thanks again,

BJ

 

[ShiningShadow]

Very long reply forthcoming...

Regarding moral ambiguity: roleplayers don't (usually) fear outcry against it, because they don't worry about controversy, and the loss of the supposedly almighty buck. Writers of licensed works do, because the yet higher approval of those who do fear controversy is required; and this was especially true for years in the case of SW, due to the meddling that George Lucas would undertake. In fact, the Star Wars Roleplaying Game (SWRPG) still to this day has the clause in its rules that a Gamemaster can, if he or she chooses to so enforce, take someone's character out of their hands if they accrue too many 'dark side points'. Literally, the game tries to force you (...har...) to play light side. Now, if a given GM refuses to play this aspect of the game, then so be it, and the party continues as would an otherwise normal RPG, the character in question 'merely' acquiring a DS alignment. But the clause is there, to literally make players to be good, or else; very George Lucasian.

Yeah, I might be able to get it by, but I admittedly question chancing it, as I don't historically seem to have a very good relationship with authority figures on given online forums. If I did write it, it wouldn't be for the reasons most such fictions are written, for not only is Maul a dark sider, it's not like women weren't betrothed at 15 years or younger even so near as a hundred years ago. To put it bluntly, 18 years is a subjective Western cultural affectation, and one that makes little sense once biology is known about.

And yet I don't desire to pick a fight when I actually don't really care about said fight, since it's actually pretty easy to imagine him 'torturing' her by doing things to stir up desire within, as she continues gaining years, but not yet acting upon anything. By the time she's 18, if Maul has become the equivalent of a dark demigod to her...the 'straight-laced', idealistic girl we've known in all the Lucas-approved scripts might well be dead and buried.

Endor Holocaust was absolutely a case of critical research failure, and I can accept them saying that they didn't think it through at the time. What truly incenses me (though I wouldn't call it crying) is refusing to accept well-reasoned thought-throughs, and calling it 'propaganda', because of consciously deciding to make the fiction in question a Mary Suetopia. Gene Roddenberry, for the record, did this with Star Trek: The Next Generation as well: the further the series got away from his notion that in the 24th century, all humans were literally perfect, the better and deeper the stories became. The pattern finally culminated in the ridiculously brilliant conceptualization of Section 31 during Deep Space Nine, which launched a firestorm of accusations that the authors had...what? Forgotten that Star Trek was about ignoring reality, apparently, and/or being not merely boring, but naive? Apparently so: later written fiction, still set in that universe (as opposed to the one recently, and stupidly, created by J.J. Abrams via even-more-implausible-than-normal time travel gobbledegook), states that Section 31 is "brought to justice" (after being written into the original Earth Starfleet Charter itself) in the 25th century. Justice, for making the ruthless choices that the Federation always wrang its hands on. Right.

To conclude this point: instead of ever legitimately refuting the Endor Holocaust idea, Lucas' flunkies basically stuck their fingers in their ears, and shouted "I'm not listening!!!!" I tend to view such choices...poorly.

The outside threat concept was one explanation for Palpatine's behavior: the saner side. The less sane side involves his revived form (purportedly his spirit inhabiting a clone body) claiming to be, in and of himself, the whole of the dark side of the Force. Also, George Lucas' prequels (thus, canon for Disney at least) basically make Palpatine out to be a Complete Monster, period; not something I'm necessarily against, but it does involve simplified and dumbed-down characterization, when not written well (like in, say, the prequels). By the time of the Legacy of the Force series, it seems the writers have continually gotten to the crux of something that they still aren't ever really willing to say: namely that a much more authoritarian system is more effective in managing the SW galaxy than democracy. I.e., the Jedi could just as easily defend a Galactic Kingdom as a Republic; maybe even defend it better. On the other hand, maybe the whole point is more to try to create a perpetual, neverending Empire vs. Rebels scenario, since that's always been the baseline status quo. It's rather hard to tell these days.

The scenario you posit, of Luke joining Vader, would have been against the Jedi way, and George Lucas was never willing to compromise on his refusal to let his heroes make hard choices; it was always been black and white, 'send a kitten through college' versus 'blow up a busload of nuns' (regardless of the potential consequences thereof). In his hands, this story here would be impossible, not only due to Maul winning the fight to begin with (since his good guys always win!...unless the plot dictates having to lose now so as to be forced to win later), but with the Queen of Naboo eventually considering whether she's better off with a Sith 'advisor' than with Jedi). If nothing else, such an idea is certainly unacceptably non-virtuous for a character that his

I myself like the idea of MLP darkfic, despite not knowing much about the storyline: i.e., taking what thus far seems a "fluff" world, and turning it a bit more...'mature'. I have in fact considered writing such a darkfic, where a preferably Actually Disturbing Villain (currently termed "Mastermane" for this ostensible tale) comes, from outside the known world/s, and challenges for absolute supremacy; and wins, through a power that can definitely be just as strong as friendship: desire. If Rarity is a complainer, I'd simply write the Mastermane character as calling her a 'perfectionist', and have him offer her a much more...refined...environment: '...in exchange for a few things.' On the other hand, if you want to 'threaten me', then I'd make sure to go out of my way to attack Rarity, simply out of a desire to spite and hurt what an opponent cares about, for the sake of pleasure. If you weren't to threaten, then I'd have no issue with her.

I never really saw Magneto as a well-intentioned extremist, rather than outright villain. The X-Men have always been incredibly naive about the natural conclusions of registration enforced by a species whose strongest emotion has always been fear, and more than once (though not quite as bad) their victories have been very similar to those in Star Trek or Star Wars, for their heroes: compulsory. Eric Lehnsherr has had the stomach to realize what will result if they're not extremely careful (or cunning).

...And I suppose I meant God Mode Sue more than just Mary Sue, when I used that term. Perhaps that clarification will answer much.

Finally, as bjhass has now also responded to, and back on topic: if I were writing the story, I would start it at the point where Jinn is killed, with Obi-Wan watching. From there out, I'd show the duel, to build up to the point where he has him at his mercy...and then I'd prevent him from showing any pleasure until after he's eliminated the second Jedi. The fact that Amidala would have captured Nute Gunrey, Viceroy of the Trade Federation, with such limited resources would thereafter be an initial reason for Maul to soon think far more highly of her than of his/Palpatine's ostensible allies. And if bjhass' desire is for Padme to have Force sensitivity on her own, I suppose this would be the opportunity to first awaken it, in this AU: if she felt her first bout of raw anger as a result of losing solely due to Sith victory against Jedi; and thus, manifestation of Force strength made 'easier' through the dark emotion.

Anyway. Thoughts as they came.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Apparently I wasn't completely clear. If Rarity doesn't live happily ever after I will find you. And I will cut you. Every story you heard about the thing under your bed or in your closet was about me and that was me bored. Not Pissed.

You're completely right about Roleplayers. I'll never forget one time when the story (they were gonna win the fight most likely) but required them to stay and fight a monster and they all sorta said fuck that noise.

For age it's not really a fight worth having. The House always wins. I only point out that Amidala would likely pass the smell test and that's all they usually give.

Of course Lucas's flunkies sang the "I can't hear you song" it was the only song they'd been given lyrics for. They didn't think of it and it's really that simple It doesn't disregard any of the points of the holocaust it just means the writers never considered how it would work.

You touch on something I think is a rarely accepted fact. An authoritarian system is simply more effective. Granted it's fuck ups will be that much more extreme but it will get where it's going faster. I actually don't like that the prequels made him a complete dick. I really like and wish they'd explore it more fully the difference between Prof X and Magneto because I view them very much as Malcolm X and MLK. They were both right but they had very different paths and I can appreciate both.

Yes, Luke joining Vader would have been against the rules. But many authors of the EU have made a damn good case for why that might have been the best case. Lucas isn't a great writer (love his verse though) but the EU is filled with jabs at how silly his morality amongst other things is.

I like the plot advancement.

 

[ShiningShadow]

And apparently I wasn't clear, either. Most of the time the things under my bed were hiding from me. I don't take threats well.

Meanwhile... If I'd been the GM there, I'd have simply adjusted the story to become harder each time they ran away, rather than any railroading. "Do what you wish; but know that there are consequences to everything, good and bad."

Yes, it might pass the basic 'smell test' as you call it, but there's still something to be said for dominating/controlling a woman's anticipation and desire, in the long-term. When done correctly, females can become considerably more fanatically loyal to given dark overlords than males.

I can accept them having not realized it beforehand. I'm not so accepting of them shrugging it off as 'propaganda', when blatantly admitting that the happy ending is made to be the 'real one' via...wishing for it.

The prequels dumbed a lot of stuff down, including the nature of evil, specifically Palpatine's. Of course, this is likely based on Lucas' inability or unwillingness to accept the idea of anti-heroes, considering what he tried to do to the Solo/Greedo fight.

Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, Jr. were both great men; who were both killed. I've always taken that as a sign that neither were fully on the mark with how to overthrow a corrupt system. One wonders if a balance between the two extremes was the way to go.

And while the EU has made clear just how foolish Lucas' view of reality truly is...it didn't keep him from fucking up loads of storyline directions by, once again, executive fiat. If one looks, they can see it in the disparate directions the New Jedi Order series went in, one book after another; it was kind of like philosophical tug-of-war, with books from either side basically denigrating the claims of the other.

After thinking it over, if Amidala was her actual last name, then her Darth name (if she is Force sensitive, again) would almost certainly be different. And since the original seed for this story comes, on her side, from the fact that she is attractive, it would have the word stem from such, i.e. eroticism (something that flows well here, obviously).

EDIT: I had previously considered other options, but at the moment, I've now found one that seems to have acquired some level popularity amongst many for the "dark side Padme" concept: "Darth Siren".