SSC vs. RACK

[joiphulone]

Hi everyone,

I am a very new submissive in this arena and am very nervous about starting this thread, but do hope for some honest input as I am researching more and more about the BDSM lifestyle. I have recently heard the term RACK in a sub support group that I have joined, and being new, I had not heard this term and asked Sir about it.

He has sent me a link that explains RACK and the well known, SSC Creed

SSC vs RACK LINK


I was wondering if you all would comment on this and the differences with your own personal experiences. What, if either, do you abide by and why?


Thank you for your time,
joi

 

[incubus'_sub]

It's probably best to realise early on that your own relationship with your Dom doesn't have to follow any rules but the ones that suit you both. Take into consideration your own views of safety and desire, discuss them with your Dom & come to an agreement about these things that works for you together.

Try not to get bogged down with specific structures & labels. They exist as worthy guides, not laws. You should, as you have, educate yourself about various practices & safety issues, but in the end it's simply between you & your Dom & what you choose to do within the relationship.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

It's probably best to realise early on that your own relationship with your Dom doesn't have to follow any rules but the ones that suit you both. Take into consideration your own views of safety and desire, discuss them with your Dom & come to an agreement about these things that works for you together.

Try not to get bogged down with specific structures & labels. They exist as worthy guides, not laws. You should, as you have, educate yourself about various practices & safety issues, but in the end it's simply between you & your Dom & what you choose to do within the relationship.

Amen. Great response, incubus'_sub! Each relationship is different, in BDSM no less than 'nilla. Each must, in the long run, develop its own standards and practices. That said, incubus'_sub is precisely right in her last statement: educate yourself, then you (as a couple) choose what you want to do (and not to do, which may well be as important) in your relationship.

 

[joiphulone]

It's probably best to realise early on that your own relationship with your Dom doesn't have to follow any rules but the ones that suit you both. Take into consideration your own views of safety and desire, discuss them with your Dom & come to an agreement about these things that works for you together.

Try not to get bogged down with specific structures & labels. They exist as worthy guides, not laws. You should, as you have, educate yourself about various practices & safety issues, but in the end it's simply between you & your Dom & what you choose to do within the relationship.

Thank you Incubus.

We have discussed these things in which you mention and I am with a clear understanding that each relationship is based between those involved. This question is more a matter of the mind for me, rather than structure and/or rules.

I have a tendency to think too much sometimes I guess. I am curious to the choices of others and what works for them. Just more so for thoughts to ponder.

Thanks again for writing.
joi

 

[incubus'_sub]

You are very welcome & thank you too to Sir W.

In the beginning we all tend to think too much & too deeply. For a start it's all very exciting so occupies much of our daily thoughts anyway. We all go through the "why am I like this?" thing and we also tend to impose too much deep meaning to what is really just our personal tastes & desires.

Many of us would also have found this board a little intimidating to begin with. Everyone else seems to know so much & have so much experience. The rules, protocols and labels seem vast & impressive & you feel like either a fake or an imposter.

The trick is to realise that everyone started at some point, that there are those who talk a lot but have no real experience other than online, there are those who see BDSM as almost a religious thing & those (like My Master & I) who see it in terms of sexuality. Therefore the choices of others will have been made according to how they view the lifestyle and will not necessarily be valid for you.

As a general answer to the choice between SSC & RACK I'd guess that those of us in real life relationships take a bit from each rather than following a made up doctrine.

 

[catalina_francisco]

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=185471

Welcome to the board....you might find some of the responses in this thread of interest.

Catalina

 

[Pure]

It's been gone over a bit, as Catalina says.

SSC was a slogan that did its job; but it's kinda vague in its first two terms.

Risk Aware does get more precise than safe. Applied to skiing and skiers, 'risk aware' might be better, since skiing, to a degree is not safe.

Neither slogan goes very deep in itself.

Lots of issues around 'consent' are avoided, for instance the legal notion that you can't consent to serious bodily harm. (i.e., if someone seriously harms you, then regardless of what you say, they may be charged with doing X (e.g. assault) without your consent.)

Myself, for slogan advice, I simply say, avoid having your partner (or yourself) end up in the ER, or in the police station, laying charges.

 

[FungiUg]

I think the general idea is that they are there to make you think about what you are doing, and to weigh the risks, and offset them where you can.

So either is fine as far as I am concerned... they do their job. I don't think they need to be precise.

As other people have said... what it really comes down to is the relationship between you and your Dominant, and what rules you decide on between the two of you. The inference being that the submissive DOES get to set rules/limits.

So... it's just a thought tool. To try and offset the risk of bodies of the unaware ending up chopped into bits in a barrel. (And yes, that HAS happened.)

 

[joiphulone]

Thank you everyone for your responses!

Sir Winston, I agree whole heartedly with you! (what a surprise, huh?)

and Incubus, you describe me very well....you are one who obviously has been there and remembers what it is like to be here learning, learning, learning....

Many of us would also have found this board a little intimidating to begin with. Everyone else seems to know so much & have so much experience. The rules, protocols and labels seem vast & impressive & you feel like either a fake or an imposter.

yes, i have found this board very intimidating, but i also knew, to learn, i needed to start asking questions and get over it...so here i am trying it out

Catalina, thank you for the link. I will be sure to check it out. (believe it or not i actually did a search on this site before i posted!) i am one who feels, that no matter where we are in the lifestyle, we always have more to learn! And thank you for the welcome, it is appreciated!

Pure....note to self: do not end up in ER or Police Station! Got it! Thanks!

Yes Fungi, I agree as well. Thought tool is a good way of looking at them. Awareness and knowledge I feel are integral to this lifestyle. I think from all of my reading and research so far, that a lot of sub's miss that part that they actually have a say in the limits and even have rights! They seem to misunderstand and feel that the Dom/Master says all and they have no voice. Sad.

To me this lifestyle is an agreed upon partnership with an exchange of power that suits the needs of those involved.

Thank you again everyone!

joi

 

[catalina_francisco]

Catalina, thank you for the link. I will be sure to check it out. (believe it or not i actually did a search on this site before i posted!) i am one who feels, that no matter where we are in the lifestyle, we always have more to learn! And thank you for the welcome, it is appreciated!

joi

I believe you...I had to try more than once myself to get anything to come up in the search, but I had the advantage of knowing it was here, and around about when. Hope you find as much value in what can be learned here as I have, and above all, enjoy.

Catalina

 

[shy slave]

You are very welcome & thank you too to Sir W.

In the beginning we all tend to think too much & too deeply. For a start it's all very exciting so occupies much of our daily thoughts anyway. We all go through the "why am I like this?" thing and we also tend to impose too much deep meaning to what is really just our personal tastes & desires.

Many of us would also have found this board a little intimidating to begin with. Everyone else seems to know so much & have so much experience. The rules, protocols and labels seem vast & impressive & you feel like either a fake or an imposter.

The trick is to realise that everyone started at some point, that there are those who talk a lot but have no real experience other than online, there are those who see BDSM as almost a religious thing & those (like My Master & I) who see it in terms of sexuality. Therefore the choices of others will have been made according to how they view the lifestyle and will not necessarily be valid for you.

As a general answer to the choice between SSC & RACK I'd guess that those of us in real life relationships take a bit from each rather than following a made up doctrine.

Arriving late to the thread (as usual) but incubus does put this over well.

It can be overwhelming working out all kinds of elements and as someone new to this lifestyle I agree with incubus; it is easy to feel like a fake/imposter/dim/confused.
My way around was (and still is) to ask questions however stupid I think they may be.
After all people are here to exchange views, ideas and gain confidence.

Its interesting when people have differing opinions to see where your views fit in.
For what its worth incubus and I have had differing opinions on some issues (you may remember incubus...) but I still enjoy reading their posts and learning from them. No doubt at some point we will agree or disagree again (lol) but you can learn as much from difference of opinion as you can from agreement.

Don't let any ideas/thoughts you have that are different from anyone elses put you off expressing them or asking questions here or elsewhere.

Knowledge is power, there are bag fulls of powerful subs around here


Lots of us are new to the boards/lifestyle or both. Lots of people here have interesting views, good advice, thoughts and experiences.
Have fun with both the lifestyle and the BDSM Lit board.

 

[joiphulone]

Arriving late to the thread (as usual) but incubus does put this over well.

It can be overwhelming working out all kinds of elements and as someone new to this lifestyle I agree with incubus; it is easy to feel like a fake/imposter/dim/confused.
My way around was (and still is) to ask questions however stupid I think they may be.
After all people are here to exchange views, ideas and gain confidence.

Its interesting when people have differing opinions to see where your views fit in.
For what its worth incubus and I have had differing opinions on some issues (you may remember incubus...) but I still enjoy reading their posts and learning from them. No doubt at some point we will agree or disagree again (lol) but you can learn as much from difference of opinion as you can from agreement.

Don't let any ideas/thoughts you have that are different from anyone elses put you off expressing them or asking questions here or elsewhere.

Knowledge is power, there are bag fulls of powerful subs around here


Lots of us are new to the boards/lifestyle or both. Lots of people here have interesting views, good advice, thoughts and experiences.
Have fun with both the lifestyle and the BDSM Lit board.

Shy Slave,

thank you for taking the time to respond...(and never too late, as we always have something to learn from one another!)

i appreciate your encouragement. it means a lot. this is exactly what i am doing. getting my feet wet so to speak and thought i'd try with a neutral type of subject. i do have lots of questions, but i want to take my time and digest some as i go along.

i like to hear the different views and see where i fit in as well. thank you for making me feel welcomed.

 

[catalina_francisco]

..and one of the good things about sharing and listening to others is that often as time goes by, experiences present themselves, relationships grow, so do often people's thoughts and opinions change on some topics. It is interesting to watch the changes within ourselves as well as others and celebrate the diversity and openness that is often enjoyed here.

Catalina

 

[heckle]

In the discussions about SSC and RACK that I have been involved in, there is always a common agreement that comes up. That common agreement is that while SSC was first, it was also made up to help others (media and vanilla folk) to understand what we do in simple terms. It was meant to relay that we are not out there to beat each other senseless or without any caution at all. RACK came about from some who thought that SSC did not relay to newbies (forgive the term) enough detail about being safe within the lifestyle.