Special Theory of Relativity

[Jay321]

In Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity, it is explained that as an object moves near the speed of light, that time slows for that object. There is a formula that explains the curve of the affect, but to make it simple, (lets admit here, I don't exactly get it) at 99% light speed time is slowed by a factor of seven. (Seven years on stationary object, one year on the light speed ship)

Premise of the story: Super genius woman gives birth, figures out NLS flight. she, but not the her son, goes out for a 14 lightyear voyage to the Wolf 1061 star system and back. She ages just 4 years, while her son ages 28.

Now if she makes this discovery early in life, it would be possible that this now makes her in the same age range as her son.

Reunion, sparks, etc., hot incest sex with mom when mom is your age!

Maybe its a daughter and she brings back the tentacle monster she found on the exoplanet there that could (and in this story, does) support life?

I am currently fiddling with the son idea, but I have to admit, its a pretty labored plot bunny.

 

[Hypoxia]

This sounds inspired by Heinlein's TIME FOR THE STARS where the space traveler returns to Earth to hookup with his great grand-niece. Spin this into the universe of Delaney's AYE, AND GOMORRAAH where spacers return to worlds at odd intervals, and we can have a spacer who returns to fuck children, grandchildren, etc ad infinitum.

Envisage a future culture where such are normal, where family is all a spacer has to return to. Male spacers father their own succeeding generations. Female spacers are impregnated, give birth, and leave the babes behind for encounters decades later. Spacer families form a distinct subculture, an ancient continuity like Jews in Europe, a rock in an ever-changing world.

This can be a very powerful story. Follow specific spacers (various genders) through their space travels and returns to Earth and families. With each return, the outside mainstream culture becomes more unrecognizable, and families are the only constants. What happens when The Discontinuity hits Earth? Do spacer families stay behind?

 

[i_would]

In Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity, it is explained that as an object moves near the speed of light, that time slows for that object. There is a formula that explains the curve of the affect, but to make it simple, (lets admit here, I don't exactly get it) at 99% light speed time is slowed by a factor of seven. (Seven years on stationary object, one year on the light speed ship)

Premise of the story: Super genius woman gives birth, figures out NLS flight. she, but not the her son, goes out for a 14 lightyear voyage to the Wolf 1061 star system and back. She ages just 4 years, while her son ages 28.

Ah, yeah, you don't get it right already. It's indeed very complicated and hard to understand, probably Einstein himself was the only person to ever really understand it.

At 99% of the speed of light, time dilutes much more. But for both the person flying at that speed and the person staying behind, time passes at normal speed. None feel like they're being slowed down or sped up, because they really aren't.

Then there is the unrealistic premise of ever reaching this speed, as physics (specifically, relativity) is getting in the way. The person in the space craft feels a constant acceleration, while for the observer the acceleration slows (the mass increases with increasing speed). For a person in the spacecraft their speed would somehow have to appear much higher than light speed as the 14 light year distance is covered in far less time as experienced by the person on the space craft, but taking (far) more time than 14 years for an outside observer as the craft seems to travel at less than light speed for them.

You still with me?

Now try to have this all correct in your story & have it make sense & have it be erotic. A much better idea: gloss over those details and have it invented already or so and just have your characters go on a routine space trip which indeed routinely causes such changes in age differences. It being quite normal in your imagined society for parents to be of similar age as their children, or even much younger, can anyway give you lots of story opportunities.

 

[Bramblethorn]

In Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity, it is explained that as an object moves near the speed of light, that time slows for that object. There is a formula that explains the curve of the affect, but to make it simple, (lets admit here, I don't exactly get it) at 99% light speed time is slowed by a factor of seven. (Seven years on stationary object, one year on the light speed ship)

Premise of the story: Super genius woman gives birth, figures out NLS flight. she, but not the her son, goes out for a 14 lightyear voyage to the Wolf 1061 star system and back. She ages just 4 years, while her son ages 28.

Haven't read it, but I understand this was a major plot point in Joe Haldeman's "Forever War" - soldiers who do a lot of travel are still young while their friends and family at home are getting old.

Also in Alien/s, though there it's due to hibersleep rather than time dilation; Ripley leaves a young daughter behind, comes back at the start of the second film to find her daughter's grown old and died.

Ah, yeah, you don't get it right already. It's indeed very complicated and hard to understand, probably Einstein himself was the only person to ever really understand it.

At 99% of the speed of light, time dilutes much more. But for both the person flying at that speed and the person staying behind, time passes at normal speed. None feel like they're being slowed down or sped up, because they really aren't.

Jay is correct, though: if somebody flies out and back at .99c for a long journey, they will return having aged less than the person who stayed at home.

Then there is the unrealistic premise of ever reaching this speed, as physics (specifically, relativity) is getting in the way. The person in the space craft feels a constant acceleration, while for the observer the acceleration slows (the mass increases with increasing speed). For a person in the spacecraft their speed would somehow have to appear much higher than light speed as the 14 light year distance is covered in far less time as experienced by the person on the space craft, but taking (far) more time than 14 years for an outside observer as the craft seems to travel at less than light speed for them.

Not quite. Distance measurements are also dependent on your frame of reference. For me, sitting on Earth, Wolf 1061 is 14 light-years away. If I watch Jane flying to Wolf 1061 and back, I see her travelling at 0.99c, 14 years out and 14 years back.

But in Jane's frame of reference, the distance between Earth and Wolf 1061 contracts to about 2 LY each way, so she can make that trip in 4 years (by her wristwatch) without going faster than light.

 

[Hypoxia]

The references I've seen indicate that about a year of constant 1-gravity acceleration puts a craft at 0.99% C (light speed) and that any distance can be covered at that speed. Thus a trip of 14 or 14k or 14m light-years would only seem to the traveler like a one-year acceleration and one-year deceleration, with a brief time passing a max speed. All 1-G journeys tale two years internally. Pick (but don't name) stars a generation apart and the traveler can easily return to fuck kids, grand-kids, etc.

The trick with constant-acceleration drives is power. Massive quanta of energy are needed. Our story here is SciFi so the author can wave hands and make it happen, but IRL is ain't happening. See THE PHYSICS OF STAR TREK for details. But if we wave our hands and chant magic words, we can reach 0.99% C and experience time dilation (not dilution). Hang on.

 

[Bramblethorn]

The trick with constant-acceleration drives is power. Massive quanta of energy are needed.

That, and the inconvenient "any speck of dust in your path becomes a bomb" issue...

 

[Hypoxia]

That, and the inconvenient "any speck of dust in your path becomes a bomb" issue...

Bussard ramjets solve that problem and the power thang too. Cf old Larry Niven stories.

 

[visioneer]

This sounds inspired by Heinlein's TIME FOR THE STARS where the space traveler returns to Earth to hookup with his great grand-niece. Spin this into the universe of Delaney's AYE, AND GOMORRAAH where spacers return to worlds at odd intervals, and we can have a spacer who returns to fuck children, grandchildren, etc ad infinitum.
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Hadn't thought about Heinlein's "Time for the Stars" in ages. Another author who often minded his relativistic manners was Poul Anderson. Check out his novel "Tau Zero."

 

[Hypoxia]

Hadn't thought about Heinlein's "Time for the Stars" in ages. Another author who often minded his relativistic manners was Poul Anderson. Check out his novel "Tau Zero."

Damn, I haven't read TAU ZERO for a long time; I barely remember it. I still have a copy around somewhere. Time to check the stacks...

[/me cheats, reads the Wikipedia spoliers]

Oh yes, I remember it now! Time for a re-read indeed.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

Premise of the story: Super genius woman gives birth, figures out NLS flight. she, but not the her son, goes out for a 14 lightyear voyage to the Wolf 1061 star system and back. She ages just 4 years, while her son ages 28.

But son wouldn't 'know' mom from anything other than pictures, so there wouldn't be an emotional connection to make the incest feel incestuous.

 

[quietly_roaring]

But son wouldn't 'know' mom from anything other than pictures, so there wouldn't be an emotional connection to make the incest feel incestuous.

I feel like an incest story where the characters don't feel like they are doing something incestuous is missing the point

 

[Jay321]

But son wouldn't 'know' mom from anything other than pictures, so there wouldn't be an emotional connection to make the incest feel incestuous.

An excellent point, but mom would know the son. she would have at least some emotion connection.


Another thought came to me, her first flight out, she had problems with her co-pilot masturbating (two years no sex, what would you be doing?) she returns home a success with no other major technological advances in this field, she decides to make another flight out to another system possibly further out. Son is also a genius (he did get mom's genes) and has all the qualifications that would make him a perfect candidate to be her next co-pilot.

Possibly during the selection process, mom gets tubal ligation surgery done deciding that she assist with her partner's needs. Son makes the cut. Now three year mission with someone that she connects with on a level she has never understood before, and she can't get pregnant! Mommy has to take care of her big boy.

She uses the time between flights to bond with her son, as mother and son. It takes a bit of a suspension of disbelief, but then doesn't nearly every incest story on here?