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lavender said:
Maybe we could make this thread a place to link very interesting articles, not necessarily to comment on, but just for those who might be interested? And if someone finds that the article or something on that site merits discussion we could start a new thread.
Did the Chinese beat Columbus?
Historian claims that Chinese ships reached America in 1400s
LONDON, March 9 — Is it goodbye Columbus? A British historian’s claim that a Chinese admiral reached America decades before the Italian explorer has unleashed a frenzy of media interest in a theory that could force the rewriting of history
Weird Harold said:http://www.msnbc.com/news/721582.asp?pne=11947&0ct=-300&cp1=1
Perhaps a more relevant question is does it make any difference if they got here first if they didn't do anything about it?
storm1969 said:
I would agree
Problem Child said:As an addendum to Cheyenne's post...why is it that in Israel damn near anyone can carry around an automatic weapon, but they have a fraction of the gun violence (Israeli on Israeli) that we have. Is it because they are concentrating on defending themselves from a common enemy and don't have the time to rob and kill each other? Does their faith make them better, more responsible people?
Is an armed society a polite society?
Problem Child said:Is an armed society a polite society?
Mensa said:
It seems to undercut those advocating gun-controls as the ultimate solution to a violent society, doesn't it?
The figure of 2.5 million uses of a firearm in self defense has been seen several times, but I don't recall ever seeing a source for the figures.
Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun
Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, vol. 86, issue 1, 1995
http://www.guncite.com/gcdgklec.html
RainbowBright said:
Weird Harold said:
That it doesn't make any differenece, or that history has to be completely rewritten?
There is a poll on that page. One of the choices is "there were so many others who beat Columbus that this is irrelevant." (or words to that effect.)
I've always felt that "America" was never "lost" and didn't need to be discovered. All of the pre-columbian "discoverers" just didn't make any significant mark on, or have any significant interaction with, America so there's nothing "historical" to record about those "discoveries."
alexandraaah said:
I'm pretty sure I've known who this is for a couple weeks now.
I still love Rainbow Bright.
Mensa said:How significant they were is a moot point. If we dismiss them as irrelevant and don't bother to investigate whether they had influence or not we are doing ourselves and history a disservice.
There are too many anomalies throughout history to ignore. It is supreme arrogance on our part to imagine we've got it all right and nothing need be questioned.