Some terms I am not familar with

[Richard49]

Let's see I am 56
First D/s experence when I was 15
Took the old fashion advice and lived as submissive for a year under a Dom/Domme in my mid 20s ... and I find new terms I have not heard of in the D/s aspect ... so if ya can help this aged man please do so ...

Victorian Household?

Lifestyle BDSM?

1950s Household?

 

[rosco rathbone]

1950s Household?

Is that an actual bdsm scene term these days??? I'm lovin' it.

Happy 2006 Richard you old bastard you.

 

[Xelebes]

Victorian Household?

Lifestyle BDSM?

1950s Household?

Lifestyle BDSM? Oh... right. That is supposedly living short of a 24/7 relationship but above that of a simple in-bedroom affair. Everything has got to be a "lifestyle" nowadays or something - one that bugs me the most is the phrase "raving is not only a pastime, but a lifestyle". Nothing makes me roll my eyes - if that was the case go live at Creamfields all your life. It bugs me. "Lifestyle" has no meaning anymore.

Victorian household is probably a form of etiquette help around the house, especially between a husband and wife, that resembles that of a Victorian era bourgeosie or landowner household.

50's household emulates the 50's etiquette of a middle-class factory worker's household.

 

[Blushing Bottom]

Of the 3 terms I have knowledge enough about one I feel comfortable sharing.

Victorian Household~ a household in which the man of the house ruled with a firm hand, cane or birch. He was free to correct, enlighten, or punish any member of the household, wife, offspring, relative, servants alike.

There were punishment rooms appointed with spanking horses, implements, etc. Actual punishments were a formal affair and witnessed by the entire household.


Such households were described in detail in the pages of old porn such as The Pearl.

Let's see I am 56
First D/s experence when I was 15
Took the old fashion advice and lived as submissive for a year under a Dom/Domme in my mid 20s ... and I find new terms I have not heard of in the D/s aspect ... so if ya can help this aged man please do so ...

Victorian Household?

Lifestyle BDSM?

1950s Household?

 

[Richard49]

Is that an actual bdsm scene term these days??? I'm lovin' it.

Happy 2006 Richard you old bastard you.

yup it is a bdsm term about something

old bastard?
hummmmmm
oh ya
that's me

rosco I hope you have blessed and happy new year

 

[Richard49]

one that bugs me the most is the phrase "raving is not only a pastime, but a lifestyle". Nothing makes me roll my eyes - if that was the case go live at Creamfields all your life. It bugs me. "Lifestyle" has no meaning anymore.

I think I agree with you
I started a thread about weather one was a Dom/submissive(slave) or a lifestyler.
It died ... the thread that is

 

[Richard49]

Of the 3 terms I have knowledge enough about one I feel comfortable sharing.

Victorian Household~ a household in which the man of the house ruled with a firm hand, cane or birch. He was free to correct, enlighten, or punish any member of the household, wife, offspring, relative, servants alike.

There were punishment rooms appointed with spanking horses, implements, etc. Actual punishments were a formal affair and witnessed by the entire household.


Such households were described in detail in the pages of old porn such as The Pearl.

I wish to thank you on two fronts
1) that you posted
It motivated me to go read some of your posts
getting to know you
2) I have not read any old porn ... well some of the stuff I read when I was younger would be considered old now ... anyway ... now I know what this is about

See rosco .. even old bastards can learn...

 

[greenmands]

I wish to thank you on two fronts
2) I have not read any old porn ... well some of the stuff I read when I was younger would be considered old now ... anyway ... now I know what this is about

WHAT? You never read 'the Man from O.R.G.Y.' series by Ted Mark?
BTW for you young ones in the crowd, O.R.G.Y. stood for 'the Organization for the Rational Guidance of Youth'. It was a popular series of books for teenagers and 20 somethings when The Man from U.N.C.L.E. was a hit on TV. About the mid 60's.

 

[MechaBlade]

1950s Household?

Sounds really hot.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Sounds really hot.

Yea, that's the June Cleaver- Harriet Nelson kinda thing... twin beds, high heels to do the mopping in, a platter full of brownies when the kiddies come home... ;-)

 

[stirbird]

Yes, the modern, bdsm, idealized version of the 1950s household is much better. The real thing (in addition to the sanitized TV version as depicted in one of the most dishonest sitcoms ever made) was laced with a bad poison: hypocricy. There was a huge amount of "do what I say, not as I do" going around. It makes the youth rebellion of the mid-late 60s fairly understandable (although that was also a product of and response to larger societal and historical changes). Women had experienced a brief period of freedom from their traditional roles in the 40s war years, some had really loved it, and then the boys came marching home and females were expected to drop their careers (the men needed the jobs) and be satisfied being house drudges. Many turned to extramarital affairs or drinking or the new strong perscription drugs that doctors were perscribing like candy.

There's a thread in this forum that talks about a site in which the sort of male-female relationship that the 50s were supposed to about is enthusasitically practiced. They're basically bdsm people who don't like scene trappings and prefer private relationships to public display or socializing and they see the tranditional male-in-charge-who-benvolently-but-sternly enforces his rule type of household as ideal. Both the thread and the site are called "Taken in Hand." I can't describe either very well in one short paragraph. There's much more involved than just a "Back to the 50s" thing, in fact. But that idealized male-dominant household (as depicted in the sexier and more realistic sitcoms from that era) is one of their prime metaphors.

 

[Richard49]

There's a thread in this forum that talks about a site in which the sort of male-female relationship that the 50s were supposed to about is enthusasitically practiced.

If someone knows where this thread is please post it

 

[Raine D8]

Let's see I am 56
First D/s experence when I was 15
Took the old fashion advice and lived as submissive for a year under a Dom/Domme in my mid 20s ... and I find new terms I have not heard of in the D/s aspect ... so if ya can help this aged man please do so ...

Victorian Household?

Lifestyle BDSM?

1950s Household?

I have yet to hear of 1950's household scene, but I can imagine it . On the Victorian front to some extent, I'd imagine it being much more than simply a firm male hand, but a lifestlye ... I imagine in a BDSM context that it has more to do with aristocratic ways during that period than ... the poor saps in London. Yet, the Victorians were an uptight breed and so is anyone from Queen Victoria thru Freud and to Kellogg. It is an era of restraint and anti-sex, so what kind of household at the rise of feminism? Hard to say - the era was extensive.

This is a really cool question, Richard.

The 50's scenario is not hard to figure out - every fetish attraction is geared toward popular thought. One need only research TV shows to discover the sensibility. It possibly relates to the Victorian era? Squeeky clean and wholesome?

 

[Richard49]

This is a really cool question, Richard.

Thank you

I hope others will offer whatever info they have

Now I came accross another new one
(do i live under a rock?)


Christian HOH ?
any ideas?

 

[Blushing Bottom]

You do me an honor.

I wish to thank you on two fronts
1) that you posted
It motivated me to go read some of your posts
getting to know you
2) I have not read any old porn ... well some of the stuff I read when I was younger would be considered old now ... anyway ... now I know what this is about

See rosco .. even old bastards can learn...

 

[Vixandra]

I think HOH is head of household, least on tax forms.... but I somehow doubt its what's meant there.

Nifty thread.

 

[stirbird]

I can't find the "Taken in Hand" thread in this forum but I can give the url to their site.

http://www.takeninhand.com

I don't browse collarme.com a lot but I saw an ad yesterday from someone who wants a "taken in hand" style relationship. So the term is starting to get around.

 

[stirbird]

I think HOH is head of household, least on tax forms.... but I somehow doubt its what's meant there.

Nifty thread.

I bet you are right. The Christian bdsm people place a strong emphasis on the man being ordained by god as the head of the household.

 

[Salvor-Hardon]

Well as a seminary graduate, I can say that yeah in certain texts there are passages that could be read as BDSM in the right frame of mind. Ephesian 5 and 1 Peter 2 come to mind at first.

They start out with "Wives submit to your husbands" then have some other command for the husbands that is often not so clear. Personally I read them as an in road to D/s in that one is submitting to the other but the Authority is held to a very high standard of care and keeping for the submissive.

Theologically a sticky passage; relationally, yeah early D/s but not enough kinky theologains to make the connections.

Now for real erotica, read Song of Soloman

 

[mlady_france]

Well as a seminary graduate, I can say that yeah in certain texts there are passages that could be read as BDSM in the right frame of mind. Ephesian 5 and 1 Peter 2 come to mind at first.

They start out with "Wives submit to your husbands" then have some other command for the husbands that is often not so clear. Personally I read them as an in road to D/s in that one is submitting to the other but the Authority is held to a very high standard of care and keeping for the submissive.

Theologically a sticky passage; relationally, yeah early D/s but not enough kinky theologains to make the connections.

Now for real erotica, read Song of Soloman

I grew up in a very biblical household. My step father went to bible siminary as well. Both parents instilled in me that a wife is submissive from the time I was able to stand. I was taught all the domestic ways, cleaning, sewing, cooking, and was taught to do it chearfully and quietly. The day I looked at my mother and said, "you know, I think you raised a good little subby" was the day that she started to regret not instilling the slightest bit of dominance in me. I rely fully on the one I am with, it makes me happy to make him happy. When I wake it's the first thing on my mind, and the last when I fall asleep. It works for me, but it wasn't until I discovered bdsm that I met people who could and were willing to hold the responcibility in having one depend fully on you.

Oh and Song of Songs/Soloman, yeah that rocks. I studied that and "the sex laws" some where in the old testament for about a year before I got married.

 

[Vixandra]

I bet you are right. The Christian bdsm people place a strong emphasis on the man being ordained by god as the head of the household.

Long as they don't assume ALL women should be submissive, go for it.
Its the Bible-thumping "Man is best because God said so" males that piss me off to no end.
I fail to see how having a penis and a Y chromsone makes anyone better then me.
My equal- of course. But not my superior.

So if Christian HOH is male PYL, is Wicca HOH female PYL?

 

[stirbird]

Oh and Song of Songs/Soloman, yeah that rocks. I studied that and "the sex laws" some where in the old testament for about a year before I got married.

What were the sex laws? Do you mean "Thou Shalt Not Spill Thy Seed On the Ground or On a Woman's Face?" Those laws?

 

[stirbird]

So if Christian HOH is male PYL, is Wicca HOH female PYL?

I would think so! Don't many wiccans refer to a deity as female, the Great Goddess?

 

[Salvor-Hardon]

What were the sex laws? Do you mean "Thou Shalt Not Spill Thy Seed On the Ground or On a Woman's Face?" Those laws?

Leviticus has a huge listing of people you shouldn't sleep with, mostly family relations and cousins and such. I think there was some animal laws too but I'd have to look those up before I said so definitively.

Too bad there were no "Don't sleep with Tammy, she's bad, will mess up your life". I could have used something like that

 

[Purple Sage]

Long as they don't assume ALL women should be submissive, go for it.
Its the Bible-thumping "Man is best because God said so" males that piss me off to no end.
I fail to see how having a penis and a Y chromsone makes anyone better then me.
My equal- of course. But not my superior.

So if Christian HOH is male PYL, is Wicca HOH female PYL?

I've been around a few blocks, but I never saw PYL till I came to this site. What, exactly does it mean?