So, you think this memo thing has legs?

[adrina]

To repeat: (I'll use smaller words)

If that were true, Schiff will leak it, Trump gets no cover.

Riiiiight.

You are truly partisan.

And frankly your condescending bullshit gets old.

 

[about_average]

I said absolutely nothing of the sort in fact I supported your speculation that it may be sandwich with all kinds of verified and true things that somehow miraculously haven't leaked out.

keep pretending that comey's characterization of the dossier is out of context with Comey characterizing the dossier as containing salacious an unverified information.

there is nothing out of context about those two words as you continue to insist

You should try reading Comey's testimony.

New Text from Lisa Page, dated Sept 2, 2016: "potus wants to know everything we're doing."

this message along with thousands of others were just released to Congress by the IG. This is one reason why Obama has lawyered up.

You really give no thought to what you post do you?

And Comey’s statement that it was unverified came less than a month after he had the full dossier in hand.

Comey never said "the dossier is salacious and unverified"

The people claiming that are full of BS. They don't know how to read.

 

[Que]

You should try reading Comey's testimony.


You really give no thought to what you post do you?

Comey never said "the dossier is salacious and unverified"

The people claiming that are full of BS. They don't know how to read.

I never said he said that. You're just issuing the standard rebuttal for something I didn't say.

He said, (and I said that he said) that it was true that he informed Trump that it CONTAINED salacious and unverified information.

For the third time, I point out that even if contained mostly juicy, non-salatcous, totally verifiied information along with the salacious and unverified information it makes the entire thing suspect.

Since no one can seem to point to anything relevant, verified, and damming that is in that dossier, I think that the unverified, salacious part was pretty much the point.

It's endlessly amusing to see you partisan hacks continuing to pretend that the dossier is anything but a salacious hit piece that is mostly a work of fiction with a few irrelevant, tangential facts sprinkled in by way 9f an entirely failed attempt to give it the imprimateur of verity.

Give it up, you useless hack. The only people that are ever going to believe the narrative you're selling are the people who would have bought it regardless of how flimsy it is.

Your brand of nonsense is actually making it quite worse for you. It's just like the actual fake news that has been promulgated has an able Trump to reasonably claim fake news on any and everything that's simply unflattering to him even when it actually is true. So good job that.

 

[about_average]

I never said he said that. You're just issuing the standard rebuttal for something I didn't say.

You said he testified the dossier is "salacious and unverified". He testified to no such thing.

For the third time, I point out that even if contained mostly juicy, non-salatcous, totally verifiied information along with the salacious and unverified information it makes the entire thing suspect.

"Yes, I saw the tall man who was with a woman shoot the store owner."
"Tell me what the man was wearing."
"Sorry, I don't remember."
"Well, you've just ruined our case, since you can't verify what he was wearing we have no idea if it was really the man, or if the woman shot the store owner. Sorry, we can't use any of your testimony."

 

[Que]

You said he testified the dossier is "salacious and unverified". He testified to no such thing.




"Yes, I saw the tall man who was with a woman shoot the store owner."
"Tell me what the man was wearing."
"Sorry, I don't remember."
"Well, you've just ruined our case, since you can't verify what he was wearing we have no idea if it was really the man, or if the woman shot the store owner. Sorry, we can't use any of your testimony."

Talk about reductio ad absurdum. . .

Where's B.J. when a brother needs a hand?

 

[BobBalouski]

Nunes seeks transcripts from Carter Page FISA warrant hearing
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ts-from-carter-page-fisa-warrant-hearing.html

Judiciary chairman wants FISA judge to reveal more info on Page surveillance
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/07/politics/goodlatte-fisa-judge/index.html



Partisan pukes of either label of the same statist bottle truly don't understand what this is actually all coming down to...

Scores ALREADY FULLY realize how despicably partisan both statist Party labels are, and understand their repugnant partisanship has corruptively rotted the American political system to its very foundation - this ALL ain't about that OLD NEWS.

No, now we're ALL going to finally see plainly the FACTUAL, UNDENIABLE RESULT of the long dominant, traitorous statist state...

...and there will be literal panic in the streets when their entire devious charade judicially explodes for all to see.

A smart thing to do might be to start transferring ALL government-backed equities into things more, uh, shall we say liquid and portable? And then maybe start plotting a strategic move out to the 80% of America that 80% of its current population doesn't occupy now. (But you need not trouble yourself with any of that survivalist/bunker mentality crap: true, earned confidence to adapt to any situation which can UNPREDICTABLY confront you - without needing to exactly know what that might be - is 1,000,000 X more valuable.)

Because the very first thing that'll happen is what happens every other time enough of a populace loses full faith and trust in their now fully-outed statist government: the tyrants lock the doors on EVERYONE'S cash and start showing their FORCE on the streets, and practically the only streets tyrannical USSA government can even hope to control are those which pave just 20% of America.

Can't/won't happen in America, you say?

HA!

Pay closer attention and you'll hear more and more Americans muttering EVERDAY: I never thought this could happen in America.

 

[Hypoxia]

Talk about reductio ad absurdum. . .

In software engineering we design and test warez to handle every bizarre situation that may occur. The absurdities you didn't think of are those that will bite your ass. You'd better reductio ad absurdum or you fail big.

But the funny-ha-ha logic above, while heading toward the edges of absurdity, is exactly the political logic we see employed by Tromp's desperate defenders. If selected evidence isn't perfect, it's all shit. Like a McBurger. So deflectors grab at every imagined straw. Which will break the investigation's back? How can reality be distorted? It's almost as bad as hanging chad.

 

[about_average]

But the funny-ha-ha logic above, while heading toward the edges of absurdity, is exactly the political logic we see employed by Tromp's desperate defenders. If selected evidence isn't perfect, it's all shit. Like a McBurger. So deflectors grab at every imagined straw. Which will break the investigation's back? How can reality be distorted? It's almost as bad as hanging chad.

That, obviously, is exactly his absurd claim.

 

[Que]

That, obviously, is exactly his absurd claim.

Nodding your head to "Isn't perfect?"

That really how you would characterize the dossier?

Would you like to assert that that the dossier is a reasonable basis for a FISA warrant?

Hack.

 

[Sean]

Nodding your head to "Isn't perfect?"

That really how you would characterize the dossier?

Would you like to assert that that the dossier is a reasonable basis for a FISA warrant?

Hack.

The entire point is that the dossier isn't the ONLY basis for Page's FISA warrant.

 

[Que]

The entire point is that the dossier isn't the ONLY basis for Page's FISA warrant.

Wrong. Without it there would have been no basis to suddenly apply for one on a marginal Trump campaign individual and by extension, whoever he talked to. The dossier, phony though it quite obviously was, was the link to a guy you could link to foreign nationals from a prior, completely dormant investifation where he cooperated. No reason to get a warrant on a cooperating witness.

Besides, that isn't the brand of tripe currently.on offer. On offer is the position that the dossier had any merit at all. That it wasn't a mere, fictional hatchet job designed to innoculate Clinton from valid criticism of her bribes from Russia. A smear piece so obviously false that our most drooling, leftist "news" outlets laughed it out of their "newsrooms" until Comey telling Trump it was circulating was leaked in order to make ir "newsworthy." As in, "Dossier? What dossier is it of which you speak?"

 

[bellisarius]

The entire point is that the dossier isn't the ONLY basis for Page's FISA warrant.

Wrong. Without it there would have been no basis to suddenly apply for one on a marginal Trump campaign individual and by extension, whoever he talked to. The dossier, phony though it quite obviously was, was the link to a guy you could link to foreign nationals from a prior, completely dormant investifation where he cooperated. No reason to get a warrant on a cooperating witness.

Besides, that isn't the brand of tripe currently.on offer. On offer is the position that the dossier had any merit at all. That it wasn't a mere, fictional hatchet job designed to innoculate Clinton from valid criticism of her bribes from Russia. A smear piece so obviously false that our most drooling, leftist "news" outlets laughed it out of their "newsrooms" until Comey telling Trump it was circulating was leaked in order to make ir "newsworthy." As in, "Dossier? What dossier is it of which you speak?"

Both of you are right. There was more than the dossier presented to the court, but without the dossier there would have been no presentation. They tried before they had the dossier and the warrant was denied.

 

[Que]

Both of you are right. There was more than the dossier presented to the court, but without the dossier there would have been no presentation. They tried before they had the dossier and the warrant was denied.

The implication Sean is selling is that the dossier was a minor, unimportant bit in the application. Its bullshit was critical, the prior investigation was window dressing to sell the bullshit.

 

[Hypoxia]

Why not get to the nub of the matter? Do Russians have incriminating tapes of Tromp? If the golden showers are real, so is everything else. If they aren't real, everything else is anyway.

Much of this could have been avoided had Tromp released his financials. Hiding them hints that big trouble resides within, that Russian mafiyas linked to Putin own Tromp. Show it ain't so, Donnie.

 

[about_average]

Nodding your head to "Isn't perfect?"

That really how you would characterize the dossier?

Would you like to assert that that the dossier is a reasonable basis for a FISA warrant?

Hack.

First, it wasn't the only basis for it, according to Nunes.
Second, like you, I have no information on what has and hasn't been verified beyond what people are claiming. Claiming while presenting no evidence to back up their claims.

 

[richard_daily]

The entire point is that the dossier isn't the ONLY basis for Page's FISA warrant.

There was 3 years of investigations ongoing into him before the dossier even came out.

Anyone who claims the dossier is the start of this is full of shit.

 

[WoundedKnee]

It will interesting to see if the current rightwing concern over the caliber and/or sourcing of the information used to obtain warrants will extend to people who aren't Republican presidents.

Prosecutors and police rely on information from sketchy or biased sources literally all the time. I don't know how they could do their jobs otherwise.

You omitted a very key detail, these sketchy "facts" were used to spy on American citizens (and some would submit for personal reasons). Feel free to run sketchy by a jury, subject to cross examination, as far as a criminal or civil trail, or in spying upon foreign actors by our intelligence services. I'll bet you would join in the outrage if you discovered that the Trump Administration was spying on its political opposition by going to a secret court with sketchy/manufactured serious charges presented as legally obtained intelligence.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Man made legs from Russia with love.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/a...ase-the-memo-216935?__twitter_impression=true

On Tuesday morning—the day after the House Intelligence Committee voted along partisan lines to send Rep. Devin Nunes’ memo, alleging abuses of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, to President Donald Trump for declassification—presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway was confronted with the idea that Russian trolls were promoting the #releasethememo hashtag online. She was offended. Russian trolls, she told a television interviewer, “have nothing to do with releasing the memo—that was a vote of the intelligence committee.” But her assertion is incorrect. The vote marked the culmination of a targeted, 11-day information operation that was amplified by computational propaganda techniques and aimed to change both public perceptions and the behavior of American lawmakers.

And it worked. By the time the memo got to the president, its release was a forgone conclusion—even before he had read it.

This bears repeating: Computational propaganda—defined as “the use of information and communication technologies to manipulate perceptions, affect cognition, and influence behavior”—has been used, successfully, to manipulate the perceptions of the American public and the actions of elected officials.

The analysis below, conducted by our team from the social media intelligence group New Media Frontier, shows that the #releasethememo campaign was fueled by, and likely originated from, computational propaganda. It is critical that we understand how this was done and what it means for the future of American democracy.

http://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/bobble-head-gif-6.gif

 

[Aglaopheme]

You omitted a very key detail, these sketchy "facts" were used to spy on American citizens (and some would submit for personal reasons). Feel free to run sketchy by a jury, subject to cross examination, as far as a criminal or civil trail, or in spying upon foreign actors by our intelligence services. I'll bet you would join in the outrage if you discovered that the Trump Administration was spying on its political opposition by going to a secret court with sketchy/manufactured serious charges presented as legally obtained intelligence.

Their administration didn’t have to spy on the opposition, they had Russia doing that for them. Where is your outrage about that?

 

[RobDownSouth]

You omitted a very key detail, these sketchy "facts" were used to spy on American citizens (and some would submit for personal reasons). Feel free to run sketchy by a jury, subject to cross examination, as far as a criminal or civil trail, or in spying upon foreign actors by our intelligence services. I'll bet you would join in the outrage if you discovered that the Trump Administration was spying on its political opposition by going to a secret court with sketchy/manufactured serious charges presented as legally obtained intelligence.

When you collaborate with Russian nationals on sketchy and possibly illegal business activities, you should be aware that you might be targeted by US intelligence for surveillance.

To presume otherwise is foolish.

 

[Aglaopheme]

When you collaborate with Russian nationals on sketchy and possibly illegal business activities, you should be aware that you might be targeted by US intelligence for surveillance.

To presume otherwise is foolish.

Page’s behavior is indefensible, so instead, they attack the process.

 

[Que]

#LeakTheMemo

How come Adam "The Leaker Schiff has leaked absolutely everything that could possibly reflect poorly on Trump but has not leaked his own memo?

Hey, here's an idea: text some of those millions of dollars that the Russians gave the Clinton foundation and use them to hire Russian Bots to convince shift by Twitter to leak the memo.

We've reached Absurdialand. Alleged Russian Bots are more powerful than MSNBC NBC CBS ABC and CNN which are wholly-owned propaganda arms of the DNC? Really? Maybe those outlets should hire some Russians to figure out how to influence public opinion and public officials.

 

[richard_daily]

Page’s behavior is indefensible, so instead, they attack the process.

If they want to close down the unconstitutional FISA courts, I'm all for it, but they don't. They want to use it when it suits them, and complain about it when it's used against them.

 

[OldJourno]

Anyone seen the poll showing over 50 percent of us think Obama and Hillary used the government to spy on the Trump campaign?
Rush Limbaugh is talking about it so you know It's true.

Added: Now he's saying it's an Investor's Business Daily poll. I think that's what he said.

Oops: IDB poll. My bad.

 

[HisArpy]

I find is laughable that the GB's progressive bolshevics are trying so desperately to debunk the Nunes memo while also trying to prop up the Steele Dossier as valid enough to get a FISA warrant on CARTER PAGE.

Then there's the question about needing a warrant to spy on Carter Page. He isn't DJT. WHY is a dossier about DJT even relevant to getting a warrant to spy on Page?

And then ask yourselves, why the warrant on PAGE somehow implicates DJT as being the Russian agent when Page himself says he never spoke to, emailed, texted, or otherwise communicated with DJT. WHERE'S the connection?

The ONLY connection I've seen or heard of so far is H pointing the fake blame finger and saying that DJT is in league with the Russians and that's why she lost.