So, you think this memo thing has legs?

[adrina]

One of these things is not like the other.



https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thom...wont-declassify-democrats-nunes-memo-rebuttal

Of course not. The Nunes memo "totally vindicated" him. The Schiff memo would not.

This is also the man that hires people that can't get through the background check process in under a year, handled classified information out in the open at Mar a Lago, has how many staff members using private email etc.

The only time handling classified information properly matters is when it is to complain about HRC or to protect himself.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Exactly what I said the gambit was so many pages ago. The Nunez memo had no sources or methods, but I predicted the Democrat memo would because they cannot respond factually, so they were going to try to turn it into a political attack and a scandal, and the THICK hypocrisy here is that in order to try and score political points, they included in their memo that which they claimed the Republican memo contained, but in reality, did not.

 

[adrina]

That is something extremely talented pretzelry you've got going on there. You should be proud.

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[OldJourno]

That is something extremely talented pretzelry you've got going on there. You should be proud.

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Speaking of talented pretzelry, you recall all those reasons the Democrats and FBI and DOJ listed as to why the first memo shouldn't be released and how shrill some of them were in insisting in couldn't be released.
People who wanted to read it were a threat to national security and field agents and mom and apple pie. Hell, even the media was in favor of government secrecy.
If you wanted to read the memo you were a traitor to this nation.

Then the memo came out and none of that hysteria was true. A lot of people who were claiming that the sky was going to fall before the memo release immediately went to the fallback position of "nothing to see here."

And having a flawed Schiff memo deliberately laced with information that can't be made public to slow its release was predicted here and elsewhere days ago. As was the response.

 

[coati]

It does separate the world into two camps, but not at all as you suggest.

It is those that are looking for the truth, some of whom hope that helps their particular cause vs those that would rather obfuscate. Such as yourself.

Trey Gowdy who is responsible for the legal analysis thst resulted in the memo's content specifically said it has no meaning or bearing with regards to Mueller's investigation.

You seem rather troubled by information coming to light. Why is that?

I am not troubled at all with Gowdy's statement about the Nunes memo, but I continue to note the difference between those who claim the memo is a vindication of the Stable Genius, and those who don't.

Those in the former camp will try to use the memo to discredit the findings of the Mueller investigation, and possibly get Rosenstein fired. Hopefully Mr. Gowdy will not wimp out on his stand for the truth as these events unfold.

 

[adrina]

Speaking of talented pretzelry, you recall all those reasons the Democrats and FBI and DOJ listed as to why the first memo shouldn't be released and how shrill some of them were in insisting in couldn't be released.
People who wanted to read it were a threat to national security and field agents and mom and apple pie. Hell, even the media was in favor of government secrecy.
If you wanted to read the memo you were a traitor to this nation.

Then the memo came out and none of that hysteria was true. A lot of people who were claiming that the sky was going to fall before the memo release immediately went to the fallback position of "nothing to see here."

And having a flawed Schiff memo deliberately laced with information that can't be made public to slow its release was predicted here and elsewhere days ago. As was the response.

I wouldn't call that pretzelry as much as political dramatics and posturing. Which is pretty par for the course, regardless of party.

Your last paragraph is conjecture.

 

[Que]

I wouldn't call that pretzelry as much as political dramatics and posturing. Which is pretty par for the course, regardless of party.

Your last paragraph is conjecture.

What legitimate purpose could Schiff have for including classified material after he just spent a week (falsely) castigating Republicans for doing so?

 

[Que]

One of these things is not like the other.



https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thom...wont-declassify-democrats-nunes-memo-rebuttal

WHAT classified matetial should have been redacted in the Numes memo? Be specific.

WHY would Schiff include any?

 

[adrina]

What legitimate purpose could Schiff have for including classified material after he just spent a week (falsely) castigating Republicans for doing so?

Why assume there is classified material when the entire committee voted to release it? Or are you trusting Trump? The same man who said, before even reading Nunes' memo, that he was for releasing it.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Off the top of my head:

--that Carter Page had a FISA tap on him. This was reported in the press, but remained unconfirmed because CLASSIFIED

--WHEN the warrant was requested, and thus the dates he's been under surveillance. This tips off anyone he would have been communicating with and just passes the info along. Again, probably material that could have been gleaned from the press, but still CLASSIFIED

--Both VERY BAD precedents. After whining and crying about "unmasking" as a great crime done by the Obama Admin, the Nunes fanfic went ahead and did just that in full public view. Names an American citizen with a FISA warrant. Now the precedent is set for him doing it again whenever he feels like it.

Let me go read the Memo and get back to you on more

--Basically everything it put in there about the FISA Court. The fucking idiot Nunes is on TV complaining about this "secret" court and spilling out who it's surveilling, the process through which it seeks warrants, things people have testified to in CLASSIFIED briefings (McCabe) about it, evidence it looks at to get one, who knows about it, who signs off on it. All CLASSIFIED. The FBI and DOJ do not comment on FISA processes except very generally.

--This one week after Nunes himself voted to continue it.

--Claiming it's "secret" and nefarious is ridiculous, when it's legislated by Congress.

Regarding the Dems, I would assume they do not reveal any more Classfied Info than what has already been spilled in the Nunes Fanfic. If so, I'm sure they would agree to get it redacted and not add to the disaster. But since facts have been spilled, they have a right to respond.

WHAT classified matetial should have been redacted in the Numes memo? Be specific.

WHY would Schiff include any?

 

[Wrong Element]

Amazing, all these people commenting on the obvious inadequacy of the Democratic memo, which of course they haven't read.

 

[Hypoxia]

We can assume Rep Nunes has his political asylum in Crimea arranged already. Will he take his family along, or only a secretary or three?

 

[Que]

Why assume there is classified material when the entire committee voted to release it? Or are you trusting Trump? The same man who said, before even reading Nunes' memo, that he was for releasing it.

Agreed. Have Trump agree to release it un-redacted. If any of it endangers national security, Schiff resigns in ignominious shame.

Oh wait, he should resign in ignominious shame for falsely claiming a "nothingburger" memo endangered national security.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Well then perhaps the whole FBI and the DOJ should be shut down, since they said the SAME DAMN THING.

Agreed. Have Trump agree to release it un-redacted. If any of it endangers national security, Schiff resigns in ignominious shame.

Oh wait, he should resign in ignominious shame for falsely claiming a "nothingburger" memo endangered national security.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Judging from the fact that the board's top two Trump apologists combine for one out of every six posts in this thread, I'd say the Trump core demographic is trying their best to give this memo thing legs.

 

[Que]

Well then perhaps the whole FBI and the DOJ should be shut down, since they said the SAME DAMN THING.

I can't imagine why the FBI and its parent agency would want to suppress a memo highly critical of its actions. Can you think of a reason?

 

[BobBalouski]

The birthmark of a native socialist/progressive/Dem is that they ALWAYS champion keeping the COLLECTIVE barrel intact, over admitting the bad INDIVIDUAL apples spoil it all. Thus, statist government continues to be more and more populated by more and more INDIVIDUAL bad apples, which naturally explains why citizen trust in its COLLECTIVE whole has never been lower in American history.

Allowance for bad apples to remain is strictly ruled according to wholly corruptive Party partisanship, thus, instead of honesty/virtue/integrity judging ALL, blatantly repugnant subjective politics rots EVERYTHING.

And that's the way it is...

...in the United Socialist State of America today.

 

[adrina]

I can't imagine why the FBI and its parent agency would want to suppress a memo highly critical of its actions. Can you think of a reason?

Same logic with Trump with the Schiff memo.

 

[BobBalouski]

Is Alpo blowing wife-beater/Democrat Senator Tom Carper, while Adraino sucks wife-beater/Democrat Senator Sherrod Brown...

...or, is Alpo sucking wife-beater/Democrat Senator Sherrod Brown, while Adraino blows wife-beater/Democrat Senatro Tom Carper?

I mean, it's evident the mouths of both are occupied because the wholly phony pro-women/anti-women assaulters remain totally, submissively silent while remaining on their knees to Democrat men who beat their own women.

At least it gives me more insight into why such sub-humans champion and actually do intentionally kill innocent little human life simply for convenience: they don't want any sweet little babies to grow up and be like them.

 

[OldJourno]

How about a Sunday recap of the Senate memo, written by Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Crime and Terrorism Subcommittee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who summarize:

"It appears the FBI relied on admittedly uncorroborated information, funded by and obtained for Secretary Clinton's presidential campaign, in order to conduct surveillance of an associate of the opposing presidential candidate. It did so based on Mr. Steele's personal credibility and presumably having faith in his process of obtaining the information. But there is substantial evidence suggesting that Mr. Steele materially misled the FBI about a key aspect of his dossier efforts, one which bears on his credibility."

The senators make public actual text from the FBI's FISA application for surveillance of Carter Page, a member of Donald Trump's campaign team. The Senate memo explains, "The application appears to contain no additional information corroborating the dossier allegations against Mr. Page."

That's critical: The FBI used the dossier not as a lead for further digging but as self-sufficient evidence, and the court apparently agreed. That's incredibly weak justification for what ended up being a Fourth Amendment violation.

Also made public is classified FBI testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee regarding the dossier and FISA application. What do we learn? The FBI did not inform the FISA court that Steele was, by his own account, "desperate" to stop Trump from being elected.

According to the Senate's letter, "The application failed to disclose that the identities of [Fusion GPS founder Glenn] Simpson's ultimate clients were the Clinton campaign and the DNC [Democratic National Committee]." Thus, Steele's political motivation — never mind his funding — was deliberately concealed, and thus the court issued a surveillance order based on false information.

The FBI also based its trust in Steele on ... its trust in Steele. Investigators considered him credible because he'd given good information previously, leaving them blind to his political bias.

Moreover, Steele wasn't honest, much less credible. Steele lied to the FBI, in part by denying that he was the source for a Yahoo News article about the dossier, when in fact he was the source. That news article was not only used by the FBI as backup for Steele's dossier, it was cited by the Clinton campaign in attacks on Trump, meaning she was getting political mileage out of the same "intelligence" used by Barack Obama's law enforcement arm to surveil Trump's campaign.

And Steele leaked like a sieve, speaking also to The Washington Post, The New York Times, CNN, The New Yorker.

The Wall Street Journal writes, "The Grassley-Graham referral also drops the stunning news that Mr. Steele received at least some of the information for his dossier from the Obama State Department. The letter redacts the names involved. But the press is now reporting, and our sources confirm, that one of the generators of this information was none other than [Hillary hatchet man] Sidney Blumenthal."

In other words, Hillary's cronies at State were backfilling information she was paying for and using to discredit her opponent.

Truncated from the Patriot Post

 

[adrina]

No surprise here.

Sure I'll trust an extremely biased "news" source that has "mixed" as its factual reporting rating which has mainly opinion pieces.

Let alone that this article contradicts what has been said - that the FISA application disclosed political sourcing. And that Nunes and crew renewed the FISA warrant how many times?

At what point are you going to admit that this isn't on Clinton, Obama or the democrats? That there are real problems here and they can't be dismissed by rewriting history?

And ETA - you shouldn't quote more than five paragraphs and you should source your quotes. Just a thought.

 

[Wrong Element]

It will interesting to see if the current rightwing concern over the caliber and/or sourcing of the information used to obtain warrants will extend to people who aren't Republican presidents.

Prosecutors and police rely on information from sketchy or biased sources literally all the time. I don't know how they could do their jobs otherwise.

 

[Que]

Same logic with Trump with the Schiff memo.

False. You are assuming that the coming redactions are for political and not security reasons. if they are in fact political and not security reasons the Democrats will simply leak them with absolute impunity because they aren't security reasons. if they are for security reasons then we will know exactly why they included them knowing that they would have to be redacted. But you bought it as they knew you would because you're a good little partisan.

Redacting for non security reasons will give Trump no cover.

They have completely telegraphed their disingenious intentions with this memo by already playing their gotcha card before they even see what if any reductions are made by the intelligence committee.

 

[adrina]

False. You are assuming that the coming redactions are for political and not security reasons. if they are in fact political and not security reasons the Democrats will simply leak them with absolute impunity because they aren't security reasons. if they are for security reasons than you know exactly why he included them knowing that they would have to be redacted. But you bought it as they knew you would because you're a good little partisan.

Redacting for non security reasons will give Trump no cover.

Do you not understand the very simple logic of Trump squashing a memo that contradicts the one that he claims "totally vindicates" him as the same sort of tripe you put forth?

Seriously.

 

[Que]

Do you not understand the very simple logic of Trump squashing a memo that contradicts the one that he claims "totally vindicates" him as the same sort of tripe you put forth?

Seriously.

To repeat: (I'll use smaller words)

If that were true, Schiff will leak it, Trump gets no cover.