So, you think this memo thing has legs?

[richard_daily]

Perhaps the brit can explain why the framers of our Constitution would differentiate between a citizen and a natural born citizen for the purpose of eligibility requirement, specifically for President and Senate?

Holy shit, you're an idiot.

You actually don't know what a natural born citizen is?

I mean, I knew you were dumb, but this is vetteman level dumb.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Which completely invalidates your "two US citizens as parents" claim, you fucking moron.

Beat me to it. I think the coach got into the Chief's peyote stash today.

 

[BobBalouski]

the framers wrote that the Presidency required a 'natural born citizen'. That's parentage by two US citizens.

No, the Constitution's intentional silence on the issue dictates that the constitutional definition of "natural born Citizen" is left totally up to Congress to legislate and the President to enact - that's why/how the definition has LEGALLY changed over the years.

Two of last election's Republican presidential candidates were ineligible to run according to your erroneous assertion:

1. Ted Cruz, born in Canada, has only one American parent (his mom) who was a US citizen at the time of his birth; his Cuban father wasn't a US citizen at that time.

2. Neither of Marc Rubio's parents were US citizens at the time of his birth in Miami.

The issue of what truly constitutes eligibility for President is only going to grow much, much more divisive as Dreamers and their champions are even now proclaiming they're "just as American as anyone else". It's only a matter of time before serious talk of amending the Constitution toward that end begins.

 

[Sean]

Holy shit, you're an idiot.

You actually don't know what a natural born citizen is?

I mean, I knew you were dumb, but this is vetteman level dumb.

Beat me to it. I think the coach got into the Chief's peyote stash today.

Mensa Boy and Tim make a great partnership. Utter morons that think they're smart.

 

[coachdb18]

No, the Constitution's intentional silence on the issue dictates that the constitutional definition of "natural born Citizen" is left totally up to Congress to legislate and the President to enact - that's why/how the definition has LEGALLY changed over the years.

Two of last election's Republican presidential candidates were ineligible to run according to your erroneous assertion:

1. Ted Cruz, born in Canada, has only one American parent (his mom) who was a US citizen at the time of his birth; his Cuban father wasn't a US citizen at that time.

2. Neither of Marc Rubio's parents were US citizens at the time of his birth in Miami.

The issue of what truly constitutes eligibility for President is only going to grow much, much more divisive as Dreamers and their champions are even now proclaiming they're "just as American as anyone else". It's only a matter of time before serious talk of amending the Constitution toward that end begins.

True enough, neither of them were eligible either. It's a mess that gets no better just because the first guy to get away with it was from the Democrats.

 

[OldJourno]

How about there was NEVER any rationale/justification for the Birth Certificate Bullshit, and there WAS rationale/evidence for Russian Collusion. Nice attempt to conflate the two things, though.

The collusion confusion could be cleared up immediately if Cadet Bone Spurs used his authority as Commander-in-cheif to declassify the original FISA warrant application for Carter Page. Let us see the original source document, in all its glory, rather than Nunes' cherry-picked summary memorandum.

What did the Russians get?

 

[richard_daily]

What did the Russians get?

A president that they can blackmail into doing what they want.

 

[coachdb18]

What did the Russians get?

A president that they can blackmail into doing what they want.

Yup, Obama

 

[Hypoxia]

Candidates for federal elective office must be 'persons'. (Art.I Sec.2&3; Art.II Sec.1) The word 'person' is not found in Art.III establishing the judiciary. Thus judges and justices need not be human. Install an AI in SCOTUS and let it work this all out logically.

It'll handle all the traitors here, too. Heh heh.

 

[BobBalouski]

True enough, neither of them were eligible either. It's a mess that gets no better just because the first guy to get away with it was from the Democrats.

The clear, original intent of the founders and framers was for both parents to be natural born Americans, too, as their clear intent of making natural born Americans ONLY eligible for President was to keep the chance of loyalty ONLY to America as strong as possible in that Office.

Some can definitely say the framers screwed-up by not emphatically stating outright in the Constitution more things that they most certainly meant, eg: up until almost the last day of the constitutional convention, delegates were still pushing that freedom of the press must outright be stated in the original Constitution, but that motion was defeated finally just as it had been before: the majority voted the power of the Congress did not extend to the press, and that DICTATE was crystal clear by not positively endowing Congress with that power clearly in the Constitution itself.

See, the founders and framers saw things totally different than us lemmings today: they dictated the new federal government ONLY had the LIMITED power the new Constitution SPECIFICALLY endowed it with, whereas we lemmings today believe federal government can do whatever it wishes as long as the Constitution doesn't SPECIFICALLY say it can't.

Sadly, the uselessness of even SPECIFICALLY pointing out what federal government cannot do is proven with Amendment I, which EMPHATICALLY dictates that Congress shall make no law...

...yet Congress goes ahead and makes law in those constitutionally forbidden areas anyway, and we lemmings obediently allow them to unconstitutionally get away with it.

 

[WoundedKnee]

You sure it wasn't Waffle House? I swear that's were you were. Unless it was a dopplegangerbanger.

Had to be. I hate waffles. The name screams "undependable."

 

[richard_daily]

Yup, Obama

Just when I thought you coulnd't get any dumber...

 

[OldJourno]

A president that they can blackmail into doing what they want.

He's been in office a year now and it looks to me like the reset button would have been presented by now. We've got the MSM just waiting for any kind of overt friendly overture or any kind of halfway secret overture toward Putin and Russians and nothing seems to be happening.
And how would the Russians be able to blackmail him? Based on the contents of a phony dossier?

 

[Luk]

This is utter bullshit, you fucking retard. My son is a "natural born citizen" of the USA and I am most certainly not a US citizen.

I hope he can fly a plane better than he can debate.

 

[hardlytrying]

Nunes Memo has Wings it doesn't need legs

What "false" FISA request would that be?

Nunes Memo is one-eleventh of the information. The Dem Memo was approved for release to the public by UNANIMOUS vote by the House. That should make the Nunes Memo a centipede with wings. False FISA request must be reference to the October 2016 Application fraud perpetrated on FISA Court

 

[hardlytrying]

Constitution's "Silence"

No, the Constitution's intentional silence on the issue dictates that the constitutional definition of "natural born Citizen" is left totally up to Congress to legislate and the President to enact - that's why/how the definition has LEGALLY changed over the years.

Two of last election's Republican presidential candidates were ineligible to run according to your erroneous assertion:

1. Ted Cruz, born in Canada, has only one American parent (his mom) who was a US citizen at the time of his birth; his Cuban father wasn't a US citizen at that time.

2. Neither of Marc Rubio's parents were US citizens at the time of his birth in Miami.

The issue of what truly constitutes eligibility for President is only going to grow much, much more divisive as Dreamers and their champions are even now proclaiming they're "just as American as anyone else". It's only a matter of time before serious talk of amending the Constitution toward that end begins.

The authors of the Constitution did not intend for Congress to rewrite it. The Supreme Court makes rulings interpreting it The provision to MODIFY the Constitution specifically requires an Amendment
The Amendment process is clearly defined and the process is Demonstrated by amendments called the BILL of Rights. If the Continental Congress was not silent on this issue. There's nothing in the Constitution that says if you don't understand what we mean, then we are deemed silent. Scalia's thinking on what the Constitution means is the most logical It is also the most respectful and doesn't second guess the authors. What were they thinking at the time it was written. What were the exact definitions for the words being used at the time it was written. You cannot toss out what was intended. You can amend what was intended.

 

[Hypoxia]

The clear, original intent of the founders and framers was for both parents to be natural born Americans, too, as their clear intent of making natural born Americans ONLY eligible for President was to keep the chance of loyalty ONLY to America as strong as possible in that Office.

Still historically illiterate. Sad. There were NO natural born American citizens before the Constitution was ratified because citizenship had not yet been defined. The founders said nothing there, leaving citizenship to be legislated by Congress. Your notions are bullshit, as usual.

 

[BobBalouski]

The authors of the Constitution did not intend for Congress to rewrite it. The Supreme Court makes rulings interpreting it The provision to MODIFY the Constitution specifically requires an Amendment
The Amendment process is clearly defined and the process is Demonstrated by amendments called the BILL of Rights. If the Continental Congress was not silent on this issue. There's nothing in the Constitution that says if you don't understand what we mean, then we are deemed silent. Scalia's thinking on what the Constitution means is the most logical It is also the most respectful and doesn't second guess the authors. What were they thinking at the time it was written. What were the exact definitions for the words being used at the time it was written. You cannot toss out what was intended. You can amend what was intended.

~ lifts leg, wet farts ~

 

[Hypoxia]

~ lifts leg, wet farts ~

Now you're being redundant.

 

[Rightguide]

New Text from Lisa Page, dated Sept 2, 2016: "potus wants to know everything we're doing."

this message along with thousands of others were just released to Congress by the IG. This is one reason why Obama has lawyered up.

 

[Luk]

New Text from Lisa Page, dated Sept 2, 2016: "potus wants to know everything we're doing."

this message along with thousands of others were just released to Congress by the IG. This is one reason why Obama has lawyered up.

The scary black man can't hurt you anymore, little vettebirther.

 

[Wrong Element]

New Text from Lisa Page, dated Sept 2, 2016: "potus wants to know everything we're doing."

this message along with thousands of others were just released to Congress by the IG. This is one reason why Obama has lawyered up.

Page was presumably talking about the Russian interference investigation. Why wouldn't a president want to stay informed regarding such a thing?

 

[OldJourno]

Anyone here not aware that Hillary's campaign helped pay for the dossier?
Show of hands?

 

[Que]

Anyone here not aware that Hillary's campaign helped pay for the dossier?
Show of hands?

"Helped?"

All of the funding came either from the campaign or the DNC which was a wholly owned subsidery of the campaign and used just as a vehicle to launder large donations that would have exceeded campaign limits if they hadn't run them through the DNC first.

 

[St_mAnn]

Are you guys talking about that FBI text message thing that was debunked and proven fake? Its hard to tell, I'm pretty new around here.