So what happened to the Republican Party's "smaller Government" stance?

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Let's not forget the USAPATRIOT Act and the RealID Act which are HUGE Big Government intrusions on privacy and other Constitutional rights.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/14/AR2005081400905.html

Big-Government Conservatives

Monday, August 15, 2005; Page A14

THREE TIMES in the past quarter-century, conservative leaders have promised to restrain wasteful government spending. President Ronald Reagan tried it and showed he was at least half-serious by vetoing the pork-laden 1987 transportation bill. House Speaker Newt Gingrich tried it and risked his party's electoral standing by battling to restrain the growth in programs such as Medicare. And President Bush has tried it, declaring on numerous occasions that he expected spending restraint from Congress. None of these efforts proved politically sustainable. As The Post's Jonathan Weisman and Jim VandeHei reported Thursday, Mr. Bush's attempt at spending discipline has been especially limp.

Back in 1987, when Mr. Reagan applied his veto to what was generally known at the time as the highway and mass transit bill, he was offended by the 152 earmarks for pet projects favored by members of Congress. But on Wednesday Mr. Bush signed a transportation bill containing no fewer than 6,371 earmarks. Each one of these, as Mr. Reagan understood but Mr. Bush apparently doesn't, amounts to a conscious decision to waste taxpayers' dollars. One point of an earmark is to direct money to a project that would not receive money as a result of rational judgments based on cost-benefit analyses.


Mr. Bush, who had threatened to veto wasteful spending bills, chose instead to cave in. He did so despite the fact that in addition to a record number of earmarks the transportation bill came with a price tag that he had once called unacceptable. The bill has a declared cost of $286 billion over five years plus a concealed cost of a further $9 billion; Mr. Bush had earlier drawn a line in the sand at $256 billion, then drawn another line at $284 billion. Asked to explain the president's capitulation, a White House spokesman pleaded that at least this law would be less costly than the 2003 Medicare reform. This is a classic case of defining deviancy down.

The nation is at war. It faces large expenses for homeland security. It is about to go through a demographic transition that will strain important entitlement programs. How can this president -- an allegedly conservative president -- believe that the federal government should spend money on the Red River National Wildlife Refuge Visitor Center in Louisiana? Or on the Henry Ford Museum in Michigan? The bill Mr. Bush has signed devotes more than $24 billion to such earmarked projects, continuing a trend in which the use of earmarks has spread steadily each year. Remember, Republicans control the Senate and the House as well as the White House. So somebody remind us: Which is the party of big government?
 
The party has been hijacked by the insane, end of story. Newt Gingrich did an interesting op/ed piece in the Atlanta Journal last week. It's scary, he almost sounds rational.
 
catfish said:
The party has been hijacked by the insane, end of story. Newt Gingrich did an interesting op/ed piece in the Atlanta Journal last week. It's scary, he almost sounds rational.
I posted about Newt on that subject already. He's now crusading again against Republican corruption. He was sore after getting his ass unfairly kicked by Tom DeLay. He's gotta be hamming it up big time now that DeLay is in trouble.

The article I posted said it took Democrats many decades to become owned by corporations whereas it took one decade for it to happen to the GOP.


First y'all cried about big Government liberals who were giving handouts to the poor. Now you are completely crushed under the heel of big Government conservatives hell bent upon destroying states' rights, increasing corporate welfare, and generally enriching the wealthy at the expense of taxpayers and even jobs.

Enjoy...
 
No one political party completely aligns with my wants and beliefs. Surely I am not the only one who feels that way. You take the one that most closely aligns with your wants and beliefs because the alternative, that party that is far off the mark of your wants and beliefs, is worse.

Are you 100% behind every plank in the platform of your party? Are you 100% behind every action taken in said camp's name?
 
Lavared said:
No one political party completely aligns with my wants and beliefs. Surely I am not the only one who feels that way. You take the one that most closely aligns with your wants and beliefs because the alternative, that party that is far off the mark of your wants and beliefs, is worse.

Are you 100% behind every plank in the platform of your party? Are you 100% behind every action taken in said camp's name?
Nope. I never said I am 100% behind either party. I have said many times though that I support the Democratic Party so far as to balance out the runaway corrupt corporate whoreish GOP.

The point of my article was not that the Democrats were perfect; it was that the Republicans made a huge, huge promise to America that they would reduce the size of Government and defend our civil liberties, and they have completely and utterly reneged on that promise. They have become the very demons they campaigned against.
 
Lavared said:
No one political party completely aligns with my wants and beliefs. Surely I am not the only one who feels that way. ?
Hmmm, interesting......are you basically a liberal or a conservative?
 
LovingTongue said:
Nope. I never said I am 100% behind either party. I have said many times though that I support the Democratic Party so far as to balance out the runaway corrupt corporate whoreish GOP.

The point of my article was not that the Democrats were perfect; it was that the Republicans made a huge, huge promise to America that they would reduce the size of Government and defend our civil liberties, and they have completely and utterly reneged on that promise. They have become the very demons they campaigned against.
Maybe, they're not true Republicans then but only puh-suede-oh (pseudo) Republicans; sheep in wolves' clothing.

If you call yourself a box but are circular what are you really?
 
garbage can said:
Hmmm, interesting......are you basically a liberal or a conservative?
Mostly confused, truly and verily confused.

But I align more closely with Libertarian than any other particular party, except that as stated before, I don't agree with everything they do.

Poor Libertarians, always so lacking a truly viable candidate. :( So I tend to vote Republican if for no other reason than that the Democrats are too, too far away from what I believe.

I wish sometimes that, like Denmark, we had multiple parties to choose from - giving us true choice rather than a dilemma.
 
It's right over there, next to their "balanced budget" and "no nation building" stances.
 
Lavared said:
Mostly confused, truly and verily confused.

But I align more closely with Libertarian than any other particular party, except that as stated before, I don't agree with everything they do.

Poor Libertarians, always so lacking a truly viable candidate. :( So I tend to vote Republican if for no other reason than that the Democrats are too, too far away from what I believe.

I wish sometimes that, like Denmark, we had multiple parties to choose from - giving us true choice rather than a dilemma.
Hey Lavared, looks like we have something in common....... :) :) :)
 
Lavared said:
Maybe, they're not true Republicans then but only puh-suede-oh (pseudo) Republicans; sheep in wolves' clothing.

If you call yourself a box but are circular what are you really?
A politician?
 
Lavared said:
Do you reckon we're the only ones?
Pretty close. It's a shame that the laissez-faire people have not learned yet that their ideas are a failure. The rest of the world knows what kind of hell a society is in for when you take that approach towards life.
 
Lavared said:
Maybe, they're not true Republicans then but only puh-suede-oh (pseudo) Republicans; sheep in wolves' clothing.

If you call yourself a box but are circular what are you really?
I don't like to call them Republicans, out of deference to real Republicans like my Dad.
If I call them Neo-Cons, guys like Ishmael throw hissy fits and demand that I post links proving that's what they are.
If I call them Fascists, everybody says I'm a conspiracy nut.
So, I've decided, in honor of the PNAC, to call them Peenakkers.
Peenakkers. Heh heh.
 
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