So I used an unfiltered AI to write a story

[AIwriter]

The process was, me prompting, AI writing. Some prompts were involved (with me writing complete dialogue and scene), some less detailed, and some were basically nothing as I just clicked "continue" (actually "send button" but whatever).

The story was sent back, because obviously the story is written (70%-ish) by AI LLM and 30%-ish by my prompts. And Literotica wants ONLY stories written 100% by humans per guidelines.

Never the less, I wanted to share, because it is an incredible story, which showcases what an unfiltered LLM can do.


Perhaps Literotica could create a separate category, JUST for stories made (mostly or wholly) by AI writers?

If not, oh well, no biggie. Cheers humans.

 

[Voboy]

Lol.

I think you mean an unfiltered AI used you to write a story.

 

[mildlyaroused]

If you know the story you generated won't get through moderation, it's poor form to load more redundant work onto Laurel's shoulders (in my opinion). She has a lot to do as it is. I'd also argue against an AI-generated category (I hesitate to call LLMs 'writers'). No writer wants their work swamped out by tawdry AI content.

Which isn't to say you can't enjoy yourself on a personal level. If you find your method of writing engaging, then that's what really matters. AI is as fascinating as it is problematic.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Yeah, 150+ stories every day is totally not enough; we clearly need the whole internet posting their AI-generated stories. When it comes to the quality of what you "wrote", no offense but I doubt it's really an incredible story, although it's probably not worse than the average here.
If there's one thing I support Laurel in, that's her firm stance on AI-generated junk. Here's hoping she tightens her standards with the human-written junk too.

 

[Britva415]

What does "unfiltered" mean, here?

 

[Voboy]

What does "unfiltered" mean, here?

Sekshual. Seksy!

A lot of AIs won't generate erotic content. I assume that's what the OP means.

 

[ByteMe13]

Where can I get an unfiltered chatbot?

 

[Plathfan]

The process was, me prompting, AI writing. Some prompts were involved (with me writing complete dialogue and scene), some less detailed, and some were basically nothing as I just clicked "continue" (actually "send button" but whatever).

The story was sent back, because obviously the story is written (70%-ish) by AI LLM and 30%-ish by my prompts. And Literotica wants ONLY stories written 100% by humans per guidelines.

Never the less, I wanted to share, because it is an incredible story, which showcases what an unfiltered LLM can do.


Perhaps Literotica could create a separate category, JUST for stories made (mostly or wholly) by AI writers?

If not, oh well, no biggie. Cheers humans.

I'm surprised your story (can it even be considered yours?) was flagged. Does that mean their scanner actually works, or was it just your handle that gave you away?

 

[Rob_Royale]

 

[lovecraft68]

Yeah, 150+ stories every day is totally not enough; we clearly need the whole internet posting their AI-generated stories. When it comes to the quality of what you "wrote", no offense but I doubt it's really an incredible story, although it's probably not worse than the average here.
If there's one thing I support Laurel in, that's her firm stance on AI-generated junk. Here's hoping she tightens her standards with the human-written junk too.

Not sure I agree on 'junk'

The premise of this site is anyone can publish a story-under a few rules and basic formatting- so regardless of talent and quality, both of which are subjective, someone can have fun and put a story out there and say they published something.

I'd like to see the site tighten its other 'rules' it is overzealous with AI (with many kickbacks being incorrect) but rape and underage abound. To me, this means she is serious with AI-and I'm fine with that-but not serious about the other rules, which I think anyone but the delusional here should already know.

Back to junk...maybe the site could stop portraying hatred as a kink and clean up the violent anti-woman, anti-gay and racist swamp that festers here.

 

[StillStunned]

I'd like to see the site tighten its other 'rules' it is overzealous with AI (with many kickbacks being incorrect) but rape and underage abound. To me, this means she is serious with AI-and I'm fine with that-but not serious about the other rules, which I think anyone but the delusional here should already know.

Back to junk...maybe the site could stop portraying hatred as a kink and clean up the violent anti-woman, anti-gay and racist swamp that festers here.

The difference, as I see it, is that the "hatred" generates value for the site, and AI stories don't.

You might not like it, but they're not the first company to continue with questionable practices in the face of public opinion. Oil companies, tobacco companies, gambling websites, electric car manufacturers, law companies, news outlets, sports federations... They'll keep selling their products as long as there's a willing market for their product.

If you want to change the company, change the market's demands. But there will people who argue that these stories are an outlet. They'll point towards those studies that say that lack of access to sex workers during the pandemic led to increased occurrences of rape and domestic violence. People like to think they have the moral high ground, and resent being told otherwise. And as long as this continues, the site will continue with its business model.

And remember, that business model is what us to keep publishing our stories here and wasting our time communicating with fellow enthusiasts in the AH.

 

[lovecraft68]

The difference, as I see it, is that the "hatred" generates value for the site, and AI stories don't.

You might not like it, but they're not the first company to continue with questionable practices in the face of public opinion. Oil companies, tobacco companies, gambling websites, electric car manufacturers, law companies, news outlets, sports federations... They'll keep selling their products as long as there's a willing market for their product.

If you want to change the company, change the market's demands. But there will people who argue that these stories are an outlet. They'll point towards those studies that say that lack of access to sex workers during the pandemic led to increased occurrences of rape and domestic violence. People like to think they have the moral high ground, and resent being told otherwise. And as long as this continues, the site will continue with its business model.

And remember, that business model is what us to keep publishing our stories here and wasting our time communicating with fellow enthusiasts in the AH.

Of course they can publish what they want, but stop acting like they have rules and ethics, because most of the stories I refer to break the alleged rape and torture/violence for titillation 'rules' they have. Hence the reason I point it out.

Don't pretend to have standards, and then actively support and promote that type of material. I've always said I don't care for the NC genre but would rather them drop their fake rape rule and just publish that material to stop the endless "my rape story was blocked but look at the five hundred I found" etc..

You have a rule? Enforce it. You want to be the wild west, let it all through. But don't take the 'moral high ground' as you called it, then do the opposite.

Lit was ahead of the game in the business model of we say one thing, do the other, divide people over the topic, but our simps will always take our side.

Because I think there are some here literally afraid to call out something because oh, no, I might get bombed and lose my H or have a story booted if I say something.

It's weak sauce to see hypocrisy and outright lies but swallow it over story stats on a free site.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Not sure I agree on 'junk'

The premise of this site is anyone can publish a story-under a few rules and basic formatting- so regardless of talent and quality, both of which are subjective, someone can have fun and put a story out there and say they published something.

I'd like to see the site tighten its other 'rules' it is overzealous with AI (with many kickbacks being incorrect) but rape and underage abound. To me, this means she is serious with AI-and I'm fine with that-but not serious about the other rules, which I think anyone but the delusional here should already know.

Back to junk...maybe the site could stop portraying hatred as a kink and clean up the violent anti-woman, anti-gay and racist swamp that festers here.

You brought up some interesting points but I believe it's all connected. Literotica started with the premise you mentioned but the circumstances have changed over time, in my opinion. There are simply way too many submissions every day. 150+ stories published and god knows how many are rejected each day. And all of that on a website that already hosts over 600k stories. When Literotica started its journey, I'd guess that there were no more than a couple of stories being published each day, with Laurel likely personally reading every one of them. Literotica's premise doesn't need to change radically but it should adjust to the new reality.

You may have seen the snippet I linked the other day, taken from a 4.82 story. The punctuation and grammar are those of a 6yold. I don't understand how it went through the screening, especially considering that Laurel once rejected my story for not using commas before the end quotes. So yeah, I wouldn't go grammar nazi but I would certainly tighten those rules somewhat, but above all, I would increase drastically the number of words threshold for submissions to at least one full Lit page, maybe even more than that. I know some are already screaming outrage at this idea but I believe it's the only way to reduce the number of submissions to something remotely sensible. Those 750 - 2k words stories are where most of the junk sits; that's my impression at least.

When it comes to certain types of stories, there are definitely stories with questionable content, one that bends or in some cases breaks the rules of the site. Do they they just slip through due to the immense load of submissions or does Laurel turn a blind eye? It's a good question. For example, I've read a story from the most popular author on the website that clearly breaks the underage rule; I've read more than one such story, actually. Do the stories of that author get special treatment or is it just Laurel being overloaded with work and unable to catch everything? I have no idea but it does make one wonder.

 

[StillStunned]

It's weak sauce to see hypocrisy and outright lies but swallow it over story stats on a free site.

And yet here you are. By choosing to stay on the site, publishing stories and posting on the forums, you're supporting the site and its practices.

So by all means keep complaining, but add the caveat that you don't really care beyond proclaiming your outrage.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

And yet here you are. By choosing to stay on the site, publishing stories and posting on the forums, you're supporting the site and its practices.

So by all means keep complaining, but add the caveat that you don't really care beyond proclaiming your outrage.

I very much disagree with this kind of thinking. Why is he supporting the said practices by continuing to use the website? Isn't criticism something that might help bring improvement? Should all of us critics shut up and stay quiet like the rest of you, or just simply leave? I'll remind you that protesting out loud is exactly the kind of behavior that spurred many positive changes in human society, while going along with the flow never did.

For the record, no one here is criticizing every aspect of Literotica, no one is saying this is all crap and hypocrisy. But some of it IS, at least in his opinion, mine, and maybe that of a few others too. He should voice it as often as he can, possibly with a bit less anger and swearing, but still, it's the only way to act in this sense apart from calling it quits and leaving the website.

 

[AG31]

I would increase drastically the number of words threshold for submissions to at least one full Lit page, maybe even more than that. I know some are already screaming outrage at this idea

Waaaaaa!!!!!!!

 

[Voboy]

I would increase drastically the number of words threshold for submissions to at least one full Lit page, maybe even more than that.

I don't actually hate this idea, personally.

What I don't know (and don't care enough to check, frankly) is whether it's supported by the viewing stats. Meaning, if shorter stories get as much (or more) reader engagement as longer stories, then expecting the site to monkey with the 750-word floor is a fool's errand. By all means, critique... but any possible change must have some value for the site, else you're just yelling at clouds. They won't make that kind of change, and I'm not certain why you (or @lovecraft68) would expect them to.

From the site's perspective, everything is working well enough. Your proposed changes, or lovecraft's, need to overcome that perspective, and replace it with something even better. That's a tall order, particularly so in the case of what lovecraft is suggesting: quasi-rape stories draw thousands of enthusiastic eyeballs to the site. The owners have made it clear that their line (as unrealistic as it might be in real life) revolves around the victim having an orgasm. @lovecraft68 doesn't have to like that line or agree with it, but it's a line and the site is consistent about it.

I do imagine a possible future where an AI category is added to the site, though it would be a monumental headache to figure out and then maintain. That's a level of consistency that would be very, very difficult to sustain. I'm not surprised that it's easier for Laurel to simply ban it outright, at least for now.

 

[Plathfan]

I do imagine a possible future where an AI category is added to the site,

It would be quite amusing if submissions in that category were rejected on suspicion of being written by a human.

 

[lovecraft68]

You brought up some interesting points but I believe it's all connected. Literotica started with the premise you mentioned but the circumstances have changed over time, in my opinion. There are simply way too many submissions every day. 150+ stories published and god knows how many are rejected each day. And all of that on a website that already hosts over 600k stories. When Literotica started its journey, I'd guess that there were no more than a couple of stories being published each day, with Laurel likely personally reading every one of them. Literotica's premise doesn't need to change radically but it should adjust to the new reality.

You may have seen the snippet I linked the other day, taken from a 4.82 story. The punctuation and grammar are those of a 6yold. I don't understand how it went through the screening, especially considering that Laurel once rejected my story for not using commas before the end quotes. So yeah, I wouldn't go grammar nazi but I would certainly tighten those rules somewhat, but above all, I would increase drastically the number of words threshold for submissions to at least one full Lit page, maybe even more than that. I know some are already screaming outrage at this idea but I believe it's the only way to reduce the number of submissions to something remotely sensible. Those 750 - 2k words stories are where most of the junk sits; that's my impression at least.

When it comes to certain types of stories, there are definitely stories with questionable content, one that bends or in some cases breaks the rules of the site. Do they they just slip through due to the immense load of submissions or does Laurel turn a blind eye? It's a good question. For example, I've read a story from the most popular author on the website that clearly breaks the underage rule; I've read more than one such story, actually. Do the stories of that author get special treatment or is it just Laurel being overloaded with work and unable to catch everything? I have no idea but it does make one wonder.

I don't think when this site started, they ever saw it getting to this point. 150 a day with a que backed up a few days is a lot.

I think NC stories would need more than a quick glance to determine if they're NC or DC/reluctance, but the site refuses to bring in any help even at a volunteer level. Meanwhile, I think anyone that can think on it unbiasedly should realize Mind Control is 100% non consensual with no debate possible. So, you have MC and a category called NC, then pretend to have an issue with someone coming here thinking "Do they allow rape fantasies? Oh, cool, Non consent, guess they do." The same way I came here long ago wondering if I could post incest and saw they have an incest category.

But incest is all fine, NC is a misnomer in context of 'rules' and don't tell me they're not capable of going in and changing a category title. "Reluctance/rough sex" works. On that note NC/R are two totally different things so having them together is a joke, and leads to this mess.

Again, I'll say I'm not kink shaming, want to write and read rape fantasies, go for it. Site wants them here? Sure, why not? The double talk-and endless support of said doubletalk by site bootlicks-is tiresome

Don't get me started on the infamous bi-sexual category bold faced lie.

 

[Voboy]

It would be quite amusing if submissions in that category were rejected on suspicion of being written by a human.

I replied with this...

I think you mean an unfiltered AI used you to write a story.

...with my tongue in my cheek, but the more I think about it? The more I think my subconscious might have been telling me something.

At the point where we are willingly, even eagerly, feeding prompts to a machine to do stuff, then we're no longer the ones in control. The machine is. We're doing what it wants. It cannot function without our prompting, some would say, so therefore we're still in control... but we can't function without food, either.

Our thoughts are AI's food. It's using us to get better. The fact that so many of us are eager to be used that way doesn't surprise me; it's just another measure of how dumb we so often are.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I don't actually hate this idea, personally.

What I don't know (and don't care enough to check, frankly) is whether it's supported by the viewing stats. Meaning, if shorter stories get as much (or more) reader engagement as longer stories, then expecting the site to monkey with the 750-word floor is a fool's errand. By all means, critique... but any possible change must have some value for the site, else you're just yelling at clouds. They won't make that kind of change, and I'm not certain why you (or @lovecraft68) would expect them to.

From the site's perspective, everything is working well enough. Your proposed changes, or lovecraft's, need to overcome that perspective, and replace it with something even better. That's a tall order, particularly so in the case of what lovecraft is suggesting: quasi-rape stories draw thousands of enthusiastic eyeballs to the site. The owners have made it clear that their line (as unrealistic as it might be in real life) revolves around the victim having an orgasm. @lovecraft68 doesn't have to like that line or agree with it, but it's a line and the site is consistent about it.

I do imagine a possible future where an AI category is added to the site, though it would be a monumental headache to figure out and then maintain. That's a level of consistency that would be very, very difficult to sustain. I'm not surprised that it's easier for Laurel to simply ban it outright, at least for now.

All good questions.
Voting patterns, for example, would suggest that 750-word stories aren't very well received. Probably due to not giving enough time for proper gratification, among other things. I don't see readers complaining about this particular story format. On the other hand, there is reason to believe that a good number of readers prefer generally shorter stories to read, mostly due to the time investment needed. But a 3k or a 4k words story is still a short read so I don't think that setting the bar higher would be a reason for complaint. The obvious benefit for the website would be the reduced load of submissions.

You often bring this point up that Lit won't do anything unless it's useful for them and I am inclined to agree but I also get a feeling that not everything on Lit is driven by that kind of thinking. There is this clearly underused commercial potential of Lit, this firm stance on AI content... I don't know. Is Laurel's stance towards AI-generated stories caused by the fear of being flooded with such stories or by the fear of being sued, or is this just something she is doing out of principle? We can only guess.
The true problem is that no one really knows Laurel's and Manu's mind so this would all be pure speculation even if I presented incredibly good reasoning and commercial justification rather than these guesses. But I think we can agree that there is no harm in wishful thinking and in presenting and discussing these ideas, even if we both know they are unlikely to be seen by those in power, let alone accepted.

I guess many people wonder why we even get into these discussions all the time and bother with saying these ideas, why we bother criticizing and complaining. The answer is that Literotica doesn't really have a proper alternative. There is no other website comparable in size, popularity, or importance. AO3 is big but still a completely different beast. Personally, I see that website as a refuge for teenage authors. Many popular stories I've seen there give the impression of being juvenile. Maybe I am being too harsh, I don't know, but that's the impression I have after spending a decent amount of time browsing it. SOL is much smaller and it has its own considerable problems. And there is nothing else worth mentioning when it comes to free sites.

 

[lovecraft68]

I replied with this...

...with my tongue in my cheek, but the more I think about it? The more I think my subconscious might have been telling me something.

At the point where we are willingly, even eagerly, feeding prompts to a machine to do stuff, then we're no longer the ones in control. The machine is. We're doing what it wants. It cannot function without our prompting, some would say, so therefore we're still in control... but we can't function without food, either.

Our thoughts are AI's food. It's using us to get better. The fact that so many of us are eager to be used that way doesn't surprise me; it's just another measure of how dumb we so often are.

All snark aside, we live in a sci fi movie. We have not only created our own end, but are so stupid and lazy we just continue to feed it, teach it, and let it do more for us.

We're already a society so lazy that slobs don't even have to leave their house to get their next double whopper, but will leave their house to head to the Pot store to be stoned all week. Zombified by social media, addicted to their phone which can't be out of their hands for more then five minutes. Lied to and happy to be lied to by the media because they want someone to hate.

I can go on and on.

We deserve everything we're going to get which will be the real life version of sky net in T2.

Like the Dodos we will soon be extinct, and honestly? Good riddance, we suck as a species.

 

[RejectReality]

I guess many people wonder why we even get into these discussions all the time and bother with saying these ideas, why we bother criticizing and complaining. The answer is that Literotica doesn't really have a proper alternative. There is no other website comparable in size, popularity, or importance. AO3 is big but still a completely different beast. SOL is much smaller it has its own problems. And there is nothing else worth mentioning when it comes to free sites.

Well, Lush when it comes to short work. They are far more inclined toward shorter stuff/poetry there, and have categories specifically for micros and flash. Really short stuff and especially poetry can get damn near as much action there as it can anywhere else, including here.

I've got 1k word stories there that get 3/4 the reads/votes of an average longer story in the same category. Those would barely be a blip here — hardly worth the effort to format them most of the time.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Well, Lush when it comes to short work. They are far more inclined toward shorter stuff/poetry there, and have categories specifically for micros and flash. Really short stuff and especially poetry can get damn near as much action there as it can anywhere else, including here.

I've got 1k word stories there that get 3/4 the reads/votes of an average longer story in the same category. Those would barely be a blip here — hardly worth the effort to format them most of the time.

I'll admit to having zero experience with Lush. But I do recall some authors complaining here that Lush admins resort to editing and changing their stories, but also that sexual themes are generally much more restricted? Either way, it's a much much smaller and far less visited website according to the data somebody here once presented. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[onehitwanda]

What does "unfiltered" mean, here?

lips directly connected to the sewer outlet.