So I sat down and watched Black Hawk Down for the first time...

[Cibo]

And I'm not a fan of war movies at all, but holy damn this one was action packed past the first 30 min or so. This movie may change my mind about war movies. Well ok fine, maybe not about the sappy love story war movies, but the war action movies like BHD. Hmmm...what to watch now?

 

[huskie]

whys that? cause it was real and sort of resent? If it where NOT for this movie would you have known about this?

 

[Cibo]

Ok you just lost me there Huskie...lol

 

[JazzManJim]

My favorite scene in the movies comes when a group is going after some of the soldiers. One of them is wearing a forearm cast and says he's ready to go but the commanding officer tells him that he can't go with the cast on. Without a moment of hesitation, he draws his K-BAR knife and moves the edge under the cast to cut it off. The CO allows him to go.

Real courage in this movie and the incident on which it's based and real examples of pissy politics and FUBARed command situations.

 

[Cibo]

Ya, that was a pretty cool scene Jim.

I liked it when the one group (sorry I have no idea on the names) left the convoy to reach the (I think) first black hawk down at night and they come up to the car that had that big ass missile launcher on it, strangled the guys on it, and used the missile launcher to take out the next car. Now that was damn impressive.

 

[huskie]

Ok you just lost me there Huskie...lol

sorry.... why do you like this war movie was what I was asking. What makes it better than say "Saving Private Ryhan" or something like that?

 

[huskie]

Real courage in this movie and the incident on which it's based and real examples of pissy politics and FUBARed command situations.

Thanks....... But it was NOT a FUBAR command situation. It was a damn good target and is what we were trained to do. Hell we always lose people in this operations........ history has always shown that.

 

[Awesome]

2 words.

Eric Banna.



Please tell me he was good.

 

[Cibo]

sorry.... why do you like this war movie was what I was asking. What makes it better than say "Saving Private Ryhan" or something like that?

I haven't seen the others. This was my very first from beginning to end war movie I've ever watched.

 

[huskie]

I haven't seen the others. This was my very first from beginning to end war movie I've ever watched.

You have never seen John Wayne in "Sands of Iwajma(sp?)"?? or anything like that???

where are you from??

 

[Cibo]

2 words.

Eric Banna.



Please tell me he was good.

Eh, he was alright.

It is the action that always gets me tho.

 

[Dantetier]

Black Hawk Down was a good movie, yes. and it was well directed and was realistic beyond words. However, it was wholly depressing. Beginning to end.... there was NO high point in the movie, to my eyes. I understand that was the point.

 

[Cibo]

You have never seen John Wayne in "Sands of Iwajma(sp?)"?? or anything like that???

where are you from??

The ghetto, look outside my window and I see all I need to see there.

 

[Awesome]

Eh, he was alright.

This guy is a comedian,believe it or not.
he starred in some local,ie;Melbourne produced comedies.Was in The Castle playing Sophie Lees' husband.
Moved on and played Chopper Read in Chopper.
And apparently he's gonna play the Incredible Hulk.

He's great to look at but always thought him kind of wooden in a more serious role.
As a comedian he's a pisser.

 

[Cibo]

If you're talking about who I think you're talking about...how in the blue hell can HE play the hulk? Maybe Bruce...but not Hulk.

 

[Woodmiester]

Hmmm...what to watch now?

Depends on what your looking for, action or the realism of a part of life on this earth that those who haven't bleed for a fellow human can then sit back and second guess or just make dumbass comments about, oh well not getting on the soapbox.

I'd suggest We were Soldiers

 

[SINthysist]

After all the rhetoric about the political statement of the movie and then seeing the movie much, much later, I don't get the fuss and don't see the connections made at the time. Oh well.

Now when I saw Forest Gump sometime after its release, it lived up to the buzz it generated.

How can you talk about realism when there is no danger of you getting YOUR ass shot? That's violence for the sake of selling theater tickets. Not an artistic statement on the horror of war. You get a better feel for that from documentaries and listening to the few people who will open up and from the absence of those who never came back.

 

[AardRiven]

No realism. Its a movie. Its not a documentary with real footage.

Saving Private Ryan and Forest Gump have scenes that made me laugh at least.

 

[Ishmael]

After all the rhetoric about the political statement of the movie and then seeing the movie much, much later, I don't get the fuss and don't see the connections made at the time. Oh well.

Now when I saw Forest Gump sometime after its release, it lived up to the buzz it generated.

How can you talk about realism when there is no danger of you getting YOUR ass shot? That's violence for the sake of selling theater tickets. Not an artistic statement on the horror of war. You get a better feel for that from documentaries and listening to the few people who will open up and from the absence of those who never came back.

Somethings you just don't talk about bro.

Ishmael

 

[SINthysist]

I know a couple of REAL old farts who are beginning to open up as they try to not go too gently into that good night...

It just takes a lot of years to earn their trust.

A lot of years.

 

[Ishmael]

I know a couple of REAL old farts who are beginning to open up as they try to not go too gently into that good night...

It just takes a lot of years to earn their trust.

A lot of years.

Go to a Viet Nam vet's organization. You don't talk with each other either. Someone will mention the name of a place and then the rest will sit and nod their head.

There are little doors to little rooms inside your mind. You don't dare open some of those doors. I can't watch someting like "Saving Private Ryan" or BHD in a theater. Has to be VCR or such where I can take a break now and then.

Ishmael

 

[Morwen]

...

 

[Ishmael]

Blackhawk Down is a great move, nobody can argue about its authenticity. You sit there and watch this thing, and you think, okay, why the fuck are our soldiers running around this fucking shithole in the Horn of Africa? Why not some other hell-on-earth, like Columbia, where the drugs are made, or Iraq, where they're trying to make nukes, or Afghanistan, where they were (at the time of this movie) sitting around plotting mayhem against America.

Why? Because this is the brilliant cogitation of Clinton's foreign policy. This is the best they could do. A bunch of goddamn liberal democrats decided okay they can use force to effect regime change in Somalia, but only up to a point. And that point was we can support you with a handful of troops, we have no idea what we're doing, we won't give our troops on the ground armor and air support. We'll let our handful of troops drive into a city unprotected without armor, without air, and get shot down.

So Blackhawk Down happens. US kids get killed.

This is why I don't vote fucking Left. Shit-brained Statist post-modernistic bullshit ties your perceptions into so many knots you can't even see the world for what it is: a dangerous fucking place. You Goddamn assholes hang our kids out to dry, they die for your shit policies, they die for nothing. Tell me, has Somalia, Eritrea, or Ethiopia changed one bit since Clinton dove headfirst into a tribal war he didn't understand?

Not that the right is immune either. Slapping a bunch of troops in Saudi Arabia and acting surprised when terrorists attack them is a bit disengenous too. But at least rightists are on the offensive. I have yet to encounter a leftist foreign policy that wasn't tantamout to suicide.

Good synopsis Morwen.

I think that the real problem is that the left tries to use the military for "humanitarian" purposes. The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things. As soon as the military gets involved with humanitarian missions they become targets with little ability to fight back.

I have to agree that the right has made similar mistakes, but the difference is in the Rules of Engagement.

Ishmael

 

[QuickDuck]

As a stand alone movie, yeah pretty good..... but as with so many things, the book bares little relationship to it.

Bruckhiemer (yeah i know i spelt his name wrong), took a few little liberties with the story, but he still got the message across.

Cibo, do yourself a favour and now read the book.

Its damn good as well.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

I haven't seen it yet, I'm looking forward to getting it.

That was a good analysis Morwen. You're a thinker.