So, apparently, I don't count.

[Stella_Omega]

Not all of society hates gays and lesbians. Yeah, there are still lots of people who don't accept non-hetero sexual orientations but it is by no means universal. It's not even clear that it's the majority view any more. You're painting everyone with a broad brush which makes your statement just as incorrect as the ones you say are wrong.

Tell you what-- go tell your neighbors you're gay. Tell your boss, your parents, your teachers, your coworkers, your fellow students.

Then come back here and tell me how you're still accepted and respected now that they know.

 

[CJontherocks]

To all the people who said that this woman ***** was just wrong in what she said, I agree. I don't necessarily agree that she gives the lesbian community a bad name, but because she seemed to be speaking on behalf of the lesbian community, she did represent her opinion as that of the lesbian community at large. I guess it's up to the lesbian community to decide how to feel about that. Now, if she'd said "You bisexual people give me, as a lesbian, a bad rep," she might have been less wrong. If she'd said, "I have had some bad experiences with people because of their experiences with bisexual people. We should talk so we can understand each other better," then I believe this could have been a productive encounter. But that's not the way people talk to each other, and this woman wasn't interested in seeking a solution to her problem, so it turned out badly. It was a thoughtless and closed-minded thing to say. But she said it because of who she is as a person, not because she is lesbian. The fact that she is lesbian has something to do with her experiences and why she ended up this opinion, but I'm guessing no lesbian mentor ever taught her to treat others (especially strangers) like that. I haven't seen the handbook, but I'm also guessing "Rule #XX: Lesbians must hate on all bisexual people" isn't in there either.

NerdOwl, you could have offered to help her better understand bisexuality so maybe she wouldn't feel this way, maybe she wouldn't spread her opinion, maybe she would stop being mean to people who don't deserve it. I'm not saying you should have or that the scenario lent itself to that line. I wasn't there. But if she's a friend of your friends, you're likely to run into her again. Keep an open mind. There are plenty of stories of lifelong friends who started off hating each other. She said something rude and made a bad first impression. That doesn't mean she's a horrible person. She might be. But maybe on that particular day, her emotions overwhelmed her and she reacted badly.

I believe, to the depths of my soul, that bisexual people have the capacity to enjoy a fulfilling and monogamous relationship with their partner, in body and spirit, with woman or man, without needing to go find another partner. Whether that person chooses to is another issue entirely, and I'll refrain from making a moral judgement here because that's not what this thread is about.

I feel bad for lesbian women (empathy, not pity) who were misrepresented by this woman ***** because they are the ones stuck answering for that woman. I feel bad (offended) by this woman ***** who verbally attacked someone simply because of her misunderstanding of bisexual people. But I do understand what some of you have said about the particular experiences of lesbian women and why they sometimes feel this way about bisexual people. I don't like it. But I understand it.

So if any lesbians-who-hate-bisexuals would like to discuss the issue and seek resolution, I am interested in being a part of that conversation.

 

[bisexualsmoker]

It sounds like a bad rap.
I'd just laugh it off and move on...

The other day I was strollin down the street (not really but the location isn't really relevant) and I bumped into some friends I hadnt seen in a while. We were chattin it ip and I noticed a new chick I hadnt met before. She was checkin me out so I took the liberty to do the same. My ever observant friend noticed and introduced us with "**** this is NerdOwl. NerdOwl this is ****." we smiled all cute at each other and shook hands and all that flirty shit we girls do. And then, out of nowhere, my awesome friend decides to lead with "so since you're a lesbian and you're bi, you two should go in a date!" -.- subtle, yeah? Anyway. I was up for it until I realized that miss priss was looking at me horrified. Upon questioning I got an answer as to why

"you're bi? Ugh, I can't believe this. Do you realize it's because of people like you that the lesbian and gay communities have such a bad rep? Pick a sex and stick to it. Don't be a whore for the rest of us. Besides, you don't count."

Lovely. Any thoughts?

 

[janeyruth]

So at the end of the day, after all the rhetorical backing and forthing, the end result is, you still don't count. And Mizz Priss gets to continue living her life of not-so-quiet desperation, yes? I guess the unanswered question is, who's the biggest loser here?

 

[Stella_Omega]

So at the end of the day, after all the rhetorical backing and forthing, the end result is, you still don't count. And Mizz Priss gets to continue living her life of not-so-quiet desperation, yes? I guess the question is, who's the biggest loser here?

Everyone loses when we demand easy answers.

 

[Somehowyou]

It sounds like a bad rap.
I'd just laugh it off and move on...

This is probably the correct attitude. I think this was also the OP's initial response response. However, upon reflection the OP is wondering why?

The attitude of the lesbion is paradoxical. I think gays have been ostracized for a long time. I believe times have changed. Why would the lesbion woman not accept the O.P. for who she is the way she would wish to be accepted by others? Why is it not ok to be gay, bisexual, hetro??? Why is there a side????

I have always liked the GLBT forum because there are so many Lit members that post here that like to have a good time. They are very accepting of others. I understand there are some serious issues and I applaud threads that are dedicated to dealing with these issues. On the other hand there is a minority of militant Lit members that want to intervene in every thread so they can draw awareness to their cause. They are very unhappy and I pity them. They are kill joys.

If the O.P. and the other woman were physically attracted to each other they could of had an evening of great sex and maybe a great friendship would have resulted....but nooooooo! The Lesbion had to make sure that the O.P. was alligned to her cause prior to orgasm. Sad!

 

[StacyCD39]

You matter. Let me repeat myself. YOU MATTER, and don't let ANYONE, EVER make you believe otherwise. Don't ever give them that power.

*hugs*

 

[Stella_Omega]

This is probably the correct attitude. I think this was also the OP's initial response response. However, upon reflection the OP is wondering why?

The attitude of the lesbion is paradoxical. I think gays have been ostracized for a long time. I believe times have changed. Why would the lesbion woman not accept the O.P. for who she is the way she would wish to be accepted by others? Why is it not ok to be gay, bisexual, hetro??? Why is there a side????

I have always liked the GLBT forum because there are so many Lit members that post here that like to have a good time. They are very accepting of others. I understand there are some serious issues and I applaud threads that are dedicated to dealing with these issues. On the other hand there is a minority of militant Lit members that want to intervene in every thread so they can draw awareness to their cause. They are very unhappy and I pity them. They are kill joys.

If the O.P. and the other woman were physically attracted to each other they could of had an evening of great sex and maybe a great friendship would have resulted....but nooooooo! The Lesbion had to make sure that the O.P. was alligned to her cause prior to orgasm. Sad!

Yes, it is sad. it isn't really something you can blame anyone for, either, one way or another.

Many women have a real hard time setting aside their lives for the sake of an orgasm. That's just the way it goes.

And even sadder is the fact that your belief-- that "times have changed" is just another unfounded belief. I wish it were true, I really do. But no, times have not changed.

 

[StacyCD39]

And even sadder is the fact that your belief-- that "times have changed" is just another unfounded belief. I wish it were true, I really do. But no, times have not changed.

Stella! Once again, your words of wisdom are both truthful and profound. Times haven't changed, if they have changed at all. In this day in age, everyone touts about how they are tolerant of other people's lifestyles, but the truth of the matter is, that tolerance is only skin deep.

 

[janeyruth]

...aligned prior to orgasm...

That is soooo deep....and sooo true!

 

[curvybritlady]

You matter. Let me repeat myself. YOU MATTER, and don't let ANYONE, EVER make you believe otherwise. Don't ever give them that power.

*hugs*

Stacy's said it brilliantly here.

I'm sorry you met someone so hateful, but please don't think for a minute that she's representative of every lesbian, ever. (I'm sure you're more rational than that, but when someone's rude it's very hard to think about it rationally. At least in my experience, I find it difficult.)

So please have some internet well-wishes from me, and I hope you meet someone with more compassion.

 

[NerdOwl]

Just so we're clear, and no one is worried about my wellbeing (not that I mind it), I was only offended by her words towards bisexuals, not towards me. To be honest, I laughed at her. I couldn't help it, it just burst forth from within. Her words were and are of no interest to me, I was simply curious a to the reason behind them.

 

[naughtyinsilk]

Just so we're clear, and no one is worried about my wellbeing (not that I mind it), I was only offended by her words towards bisexuals, not towards me. To be honest, I laughed at her. I couldn't help it, it just burst forth from within. Her words were and are of no interest to me, I was simply curious a to the reason behind them.

I think in my experience, that we forget, that in the equal society we all hope for, that the Gay and Lesbian community will have their fair share of intolerant assholes just like the straight community. Your sexuality doesnt define whether your actually a pleasant person or not.

 

[Stella_Omega]

nevermind

 

[janeyruth]

The Ballad of NerdOwl

I wake up in the morning
And it’s such a lovely day
I open up the window
I watch the children play.

I drape myself in velvet
I walk out of the door
I step into the sunlight
I wave to rich and poor.

I am at one with nature,
Love’s blooming everywhere
The birds they are a-singing
There’s magic in the air.

As I walk along the footpath
As I greet you one and all,
I see the buyers buying
And the sellers at their stalls.

A man is selling flowers
To a woman wearing boots
She turns and, when she sees me,
Lets out a cowgirl hoot.

I see that it is Kali
A crazy Texas chick,
She likes to party-hearty,
She likes her pussy licked.

She says, “I haven’t seen you
Since the Clitorati Ball.”
As she turns to hand the flowers
To a girl in coveralls.

She says, “I like the velvet.
You’re good enough to eat.
There’s someone here I’m seeing
Who I want for you to meet.”

She indicates her partner,
Who’s holding the bouquet.
Who’s just been relocated
From San Francisco Bay.

Then Kali laughs and giggles
She gives her girl a hug.
She tells me that they’re out to
Buy a big old Persian rug.

Kali draws in closer
Like she has some master plan
Her girl, she says, is Rhonda
But her friends all call her Ann.

She turns to me and chuckles
She gestures with her hand
She tells me that her girlfriend’s
A “Class A” Lezz-Bee-Ann.

She says, “You two should hook up.”
She says it with a sigh.
She turns to Rhonda/Annie
And tells her I am “bi.”

Ann erupts with anger
She tells me I’m a “snake.”
“You bi’s are what’s the problem.
You’re posers and you’re fakes.”

She rips apart the flowers
“You people make me sick!
You give us all a bad rep!
Just pick a sex and stick.”

She yells out, “Kal, I’m leaving!”
But just before she’s through.
She loads up on saliva.
Her spit lands on my shoe.

So that is all my story.
I pass along this rule.
Don’t tell ‘em you’re bisexual
Unless you're sure it's cool.

And if you’re ever out there
And you wanna have a fling
And you run into this Annie,
Just don’t admit a thing.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Way to go Janeyruth! It's SO great how you encourage Bi chicks to lie their asses off so they can get away with the equivalent of nonconsensual sex with people who would not have had sex with them had they known!

Let me guess - you're one of those supports of "lesbians" that likes a little dick every now and then, right? Oh, and you just don't mention that fact to the chicks you meet, do ya?

And people wonder why queer chicks don't trust each other!

(here's a hint: it's because of lying bitches and people like you who support them)

 

[Stella_Omega]

Unimpressed, Janey, really.

 

[PurpleJade]

Wow, that poem really, really sucks. Really really awful.
And the message is really awful too - lie to get sex - seriously???

 

[Somehowyou]

That is soooo deep....and sooo true!

Janey I love your poetry and I love your art. You know I'm beginning to think that I am a Lesbian too!

I would like to meet someday and see if I could make you Bi...at least a little bi.

You are so talented!

 

[Safe_Bet]

I would like to meet someday and see if I could make you Bi...at least a little bi.
!

Dude, do you have ANY idea how offensive it is to say something like that to a lesbian? Seriously?

(if you don't, it means you definitely fall into the disgusting pig category. But something tells me you already knew that).

 

[HottieMama]

So that is all my story.
I pass along this rule.
Don’t tell ‘em you’re bisexual
Unless you're sure they’re cool.

And if you’re ever out there
And you wanna have a fling
And you run into this Annie,
Just don’t admit a thing.

And shit like that does nothing to help the "case" of honest bi women like myself... Ugh...

 

[Kurokami]

So that is all my story.
I pass along this rule.
Don’t tell ‘em you’re bisexual
Unless you're sure they’re cool.

And if you’re ever out there
And you wanna have a fling
And you run into this Annie,
Just don’t admit a thing.

Or, alternatively, a sane person would suggest that one shouldn't have to misrepresent oneself in order to get laid. I'm sure there's plenty of girls (or guys. Or whatever) who don't have a stick up their ass about bisexuality and base their opinions of people on character, rather than sexual preference. That's, y'know, the less sleazy option, there.

 

[NerdOwl]

Wow, that poem really, really sucks. Really really awful.
And the message is really awful too - lie to get sex - seriously???

Knock the message of the poem, guys, not the writer's ability.

Janey: Truly, they're correct in telling you that it's not the best message out there. It's not. It just makes situations like this one worse. Your writing style, however, I like very much. It's got humor that made me laugh a bit. Just, work on the message of it, yeah?

 

[janeyruth]

Thanks for quoting PurpJadie, NerdOwl. I iggied her about 2 months ago after she blew me off over something lame and quasi-retarded. Looks like she still hasn't gotten over it.

On the other matter, you're right. Honesty is the best policy. You kids out there reading porn, don't lie to lesbians, okay?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Once more, once more:

Tell your friends that they do NOT need to engineer hookups between you and lesbian women, they just might be subjecting YOU to vituperation and anger.

And friends don't go out of their way to give other friends a hard time by proxy.