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Blackie Malone

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Students Rewarded for Tattling at School




By DOUG GROSS, Associated Press Writer

ATLANTA - For a growing number of students, the easiest way to make a couple of hundred dollars has nothing to do with chores or after-school jobs, and everything to do with informing on classmates.

Tragedies like last month's deadly shooting at a Red Lake, Minn., school have prompted more schools to offer cash and other prizes — including pizza and premium parking spots — to students who report classmates who carry guns, drugs or alcohol, commit vandalism or otherwise break school rules.


"For kids of that age, it's hard for them to tell on their peers. This gives them an opportunity to step up if they know something that will help us make an arrest," said James Kinchen, an assistant school superintendent in Houston County, Ga., which earlier this month started offering rewards of up to $100 for reporting relatively minor crimes like vandalism or theft and $500 for information about a crime, or plans for a crime, involving a gun.


Critics call them "snitch" programs, saying they are a knee-jerk reaction to student violence. Some education professionals fear such policies could create a climate of distrust in schools and turn students against each other.


"There are very few things that I can think of that would be more effective at destroying that sense of community," said Bruce Marlowe, an education psychology professor at Roger Williams University in Bristol, R.I.


About 2,000 schools and colleges, from Honolulu to Palm Beach County, Fla., have adopted Student Crime Stoppers programs like Houston County, according to the nonprofit Crime Stoppers U.S.A., which began helping schools set up such programs in 1983.


Most schools offer an anonymous phone line or a school drop box for tips. Rewards range from cash to gift certificates to free parking passes.


Elsewhere in Georgia, Model High School in Rome uses the proceeds from its candy and soda sales to pay students up to $100 for tips about drugs or weapons on campus or other crimes.


The goal: "Heading off some problems rather than waiting until they happen and responding afterward," said Tim Hensley, a school system spokesman.


Some students fear classmates with a grudge or set on making some quick money may level false accusations or plant drugs or weapons in their lockers.


But Houston County's Kinchen said: "That will sort itself out. Our officers deal with these kind of things every day; they can find out which kid is being set up and which kid is telling the truth."


At Model High, some of the 650 students complain that the program wrongly implies their school is dangerous. In a Rome News-Tribune cartoon, the school's official mascot was mockingly changed from the Blue Devils to the "Tattlers."


No one has received a reward yet at Model High.


"Everyone just thinks it's a joke. No one is going to tell on their friends for cash," said senior Katie Burnes, president of the school's National Honor Society chapter. "If someone brings a gun to school or is doing drugs in the bathroom, no one has to pay me to let the teachers know."


Frank Farley, an educational psychology professor at Temple University in Philadelphia, said students should be taught to speak up without being offered a reward.


"This idea of surveillance — there's something unsavory there," Farley said. "We're familiar with the history of that in the former Soviet Union and Nazi Germany." He added: "I think it's bad civics."


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Discuss. :cool:
 
There's someone I know at school who carries a gun around and has no real qualms about using it.

Do I:

a) Dob him in and collect my fabulous, yet easily identifiable parking spot?
or
b) Stay quiet and try to survive?

The Earl
 
TheEarl said:
There's someone I know at school who carries a gun around and has no real qualms about using it.

Do I:

a) Dob him in and collect my fabulous, yet easily identifiable parking spot?
or
b) Stay quiet and try to survive?

The Earl
But what about the pizza?
 
LadyJeanne said:
Only a severe case of the munchies would make me snitch on my drug dealer.

But isn't it the drugs that brings on the munchies? Pot and Doritos are synonymous. It's a vicious cycle. ;)
 
Oh, sorry - excuse me - I thought the title referred to me. :cool:
 
So let's see.....now we've taught these soon to be model citizens that you do the right thing in order to get paid?!? Not that it would have worked with anyone I knew (we liked our drugs, dammit! start turnin' people in and you run out of drugs. even high kids can see that.), but I've gotta say it's the "life lesson" part of this that really disturbs me.

I think we need to change our national motto to "What's in it for me?" :rolleyes:
 
TheEarl said:
There's someone I know at school who carries a gun around and has no real qualms about using it.

Do I:

a) Dob him in and collect my fabulous, yet easily identifiable parking spot?
or
b) Stay quiet and try to survive?

The Earl
I used to know someone like that when I was in High School, but I don't think I would have gotten any money for turning him in. He was the Principle. (He was also a part time cop.)

Cat
 
SeaCat said:
I used to know someone like that when I was in High School, but I don't think I would have gotten any money for turning him in. He was the Principle. (He was also a part time cop.)

Cat
The cop at our Jr High got a wee bit of embarrassment when a student snatched his gun right out of his holster with no problem. Poor kid. He was just an idiot 12 year old who thought it would be funny. Should've seen the look on his face when he realized he was in deep shit.

Amazingly, they still kept the same cop at our school. I don't know about the rest of the kids, but suddenly I felt a bit less safe with him around instead of moreso. :rolleyes:
 
minsue said:
So let's see.....now we've taught these soon to be model citizens that you do the right thing in order to get paid?!? Not that it would have worked with anyone I knew (we liked our drugs, dammit! start turnin' people in and you run out of drugs. even high kids can see that.), but I've gotta say it's the "life lesson" part of this that really disturbs me.

I think we need to change our national motto to "What's in it for me?" :rolleyes:

Isn't that your national motto anyway? Why do you think the US lent large amounts of money to Britain during WW1 or entered Iraq? Or not entered Zimbabwe or Sudan for that matter?

Sorry, that was snippy.

The Earl
 
minsue said:
The cop at our Jr High got a wee bit of embarrassment when a student snatched his gun right out of his holster with no problem. Poor kid. He was just an idiot 12 year old who thought it would be funny. Should've seen the look on his face when he realized he was in deep shit.

Amazingly, they still kept the same cop at our school. I don't know about the rest of the kids, but suddenly I felt a bit less safe with him around instead of moreso. :rolleyes:

There was a policeman at your school?

The Earl
 
TheEarl said:
There was a policeman at your school?

The Earl
Only about half the day, if that helps any. We shared him with the high school. (Even scarier considering how lax he was with his firearm)



And you wear snippy well. ;)
 
TheEarl said:
Isn't that your national motto anyway? Why do you think the US lent large amounts of money to Britain during WW1 or entered Iraq? Or not entered Zimbabwe or Sudan for that matter?

Sorry, that was snippy.

The Earl

No, that wasn't snippy, that was true.
 
Blackie Malone said:
The drug dealers might have a better offer for them, they should check into it.

I attended (more or less), several very nasty inner city high schools. There were drug dealers, pimps, whores and this one bad mofo kid who always wore a jacket to school so that he could hide the fact that he was packing a gun and a knife under the jacket. Every kid in school knew about the gun and the knife but no one ever snitched on me for obvious reasons. [Yeah, we had cops and metal detectors. If you think I was dumb enough to come in the door, you aint thinkin' right. If you think the fat old rent-a-cops wanted to deal with me, you need psychiatirc help.]

If someone snitched on a drug dealer he would have paid me to deal with the problem. No one wanted to deal with me. [You can imagine the emotional trauma I went through knowing I was never going to get voted the prom king.]

The snitch scheme might work in a white sugar, upper class high school. It would never work in the ghetto. You talkin' to a dude be an expert here!
 
TheEarl said:
There was a policeman at your school?

The Earl

Yep, mine too. His name was Chuck. He wore a wierd police sweater thingie to distract us from the gun in his holster, I suppose.

We had a metal detector in my high school long before it became fashionable, though it didn't prevent the knife fights at the bus stop or the pot smoking just outside the (locked) back entrance. Or the cigarette smoking in the bathroom, for that matter.
 
I was a substitute teacher, the last time I was at a high school, but that was before Columbine. Yeah, the Earl, there are often cops and metal detectors at the entrances to high schools in the US, since Columbine.

It's stupid and a waste of money, but that's the scene.

We have none, ANY MORE, at our own local high school. The school board saw it as a limited-time kind of thing. OK, they said, let's do this, but only until it blows over.

It's the Lenny Bruce effect. If town A busts Lenny for obscenity, and town B does it, Town C has to do it, or what kind of shithouse town is town C?

Similarly with the cop in the school, for my hometown. But other places, yes, indeed. There are policemaen, not rent-a-cops, but honest-to-Jesus policemen, in the schools. It is a paranoid society, here. People are afraid of their own children, to a marked and pathological degree. It pains me to acknowledge this, but it is absolutely true, pard.
 
I remember when I went to Australia, I was amazed at the complete lack of any kind of security at their primary schools. I went to pick up my niece from her school with her father and I stopped at the gate. He turned around and said "Come on, her classroom's this way."

We went to the classroom to find her sitting on her own. There were no adults questioning who we were, we didn't have to wear nametags to identify us, or sign in at the office, or anything. The door didn't even have a security system on it; we could open it from the outside without the need for any key or magnetic tag. I was amazed; you cannot 'just walk' into a primary school in England. not since Dunblane.

Then it hit me. Australia had had no Dunblane. They had never experienced the visceral horror of having a madman walk into a school with a pistol and shoot several children and a teacher before shooting himself. They had not been shocked from their blissful naivety. I prayed at that moment that they never would be.


I feel like I'm Australian listening to you guys though. Metal detectors at the door? Policemen stationed at your school? Jesus H Christ. But then I guess we English have never had to deal with a pupil walking into a cafeteria with a gun.

The Earl
 
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