SMACK--a concept, a gathering. Welcome.

[Pure]

SMACK**
A concept, a gathering, Welcome.
A place of recreation and discussion for free spirits.
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FIRST STATEMENT

What is SMACK?

- SMACK is Sadism, Masochism & Amoral, Cruel Kink.

- SMACK is a look at the kinks that get neglected in
the general focus on DS in this forum.

- SMACK recognizes its SM roots.

- SMACK is intrigued by erotic pain and degradation not disguised as 'growth opportunity.'

- SMACK sees the eroticism of genuine imposition and the sexualization of tyranny.

- SMACK in interested in the individual's impulses and gratification.

Why is SMACK Amoral?

- As 'the stiff prick has no conscience,' neither does the streaming pussy. Urges and impulses, especially perverse ones, do not come with 'respect,' or 'concern' for others, attached. Art, expressing these impulses, is likewise outside morality. SMACK attends, particularly, to those impulses, actions, and expressions which are transgressive of social norms.

-SMACK leaves ethics to you, and assumes that you'll heed your local laws. If you suck blood from your Republican senator's neck, be aware of the Patriot Act and the criminal code.

What is SMACK not?

- SMACK is not interested in conventional domination and submission, routines of sexual barter, or mutual devotions in the spirit of "My pet, you are the rose I trellis in the thorn garden of my dreams."

- SMACK is not concerned with settled lifestyle or live-in arrangements. You take 'em or leave 'em as you see fit.

- SMACK is not inclined to altruism or teaching.

- SMACK is not confined to actions that may be
performed in real life. Fantasies are fully welcome.

- SMACK is NOT for you if you can't distinguish between imagining a thing and doing it, between writing a story about something and promoting it.


Finally:

SMACK acknowledges ancestral roots in the town of Topopolis.
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** The statement, above, is the product of a grouping who will remain obscure. Several minds have contributed in their ways, but may diverge in real life practice and/or disagree in areas besides the essentials, above. I am simply the 'designated poster'; others may visit or reveal themselves as they choose.
– pure, Jan 17, 2003

Note added: SMACK as a concept and gathering is not an 'organization' or a commercial enterprise and has no connection with any of the following --

SMack! (Italy)or its site smack.org
SMack! (NYC) or its site smack-fetish.com

-p
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SECOND STATEMENT
May 17,2006

though it's not a topic of this thread,

SMACK does not apply the labels 'real' and 'unreal' to any categories of sexual practice (nor any practitioners), whether they greatly vary from conventional arrangements, or do not stray at all.

to 'bash' doms or submissives, would-be or (so to say) 'real,' 24-7 or Sunday afternoon, is not part of SMACK's agenda.

scrutinizing pairings or couples, and assigning a stamp of approval is not the intent, here. relationship analysis, including of breakdowns, and relationship support is for other threads.

again, the behavior of various couples--all the pairs of kinksters--is not of interest to SMACK, nor in particular, gentle or romantic pairings. everyone straight, 'vanilla', gently kinked, or seriously perverted does well to find suitable lovers, partners, or playmates; pairs are to seek a path congruent with the needs of both parties.

those whose kinks run towards the dark, the truly twisted, and the pervs who are attracted to cruelty as a necessary dimension of the so-called 'exchange' are the intended audience of this thread. to which it must be added: the participants sought are persons with a degree of control and who abide by the law; who intend NOT to become enemies of society in pursuit of their gratification. those of criminal tendency--e.g., who would prey upon the underaged--are NOT welcome.

how we pervy people behave is the focus of this thread. coming up with moral directives is not our intent; no one is to be told what he or she should do. look elsewhere, if that's what you seek.

 

[WriterDom]

Psssst. The cafe is that way>>>>>

 

[catalina_francisco]

I think you need to rethink your name, smack is already owned by an Italian BDSM organisation.

http://www.smack.org/smacken.htm

Francisco.

 

[ethereal~minx]

I am one who feels there is a deeeeep spirituality in dominance & submission~ the ultimate freedom if you will
and this "SMACK" as you've presented it so very well Pure, on behalf of other like-minds is AWESOME and I think speaks even moreso about that very freedom!!!

I love how you wrote "...for free spirits."
I have flown through the town of Topopolis on occasion and have always appreciated the authenticity, the freedom of expression, the *pausing to think of the "right" words* wisdom...

SMACK may be 'frightening' to some, in that 'omg, what will "they" think if they read thaaat?' but really, we're all pure of heart (divine/allpowerful/allknowing/soulperfection)~ none of us are broken & needing to be shielded or mollycoddled~ we are all equiped with integrity to face life & make decisions to our own accord... just because something is written, read or spoken doesn't necessarily mean it is acted upon~~~

I like to be spoken to as if I am smarter than I am rather than reading something that's been dumbied down to the lowest common denominator because somebody might not be able to handle it... we can all handle it, it's just realizing that "truth"
it takes a shake up to wake up

here's to y'all!!!

 

[s'lara]

i like the concept. A bit divisive to my way of thinking, but still an interesting idea for those who feel their brand of BDSM is outside the norm. i'd like to see those opinions (of a SMACK variety) expressed whereever appropriate and not just in one place. Spread the carnality around and others might come to appreciate the ideas and become seduced by them. i look forward to reading more here.

Lets throw something out there ... something that i haven't experienced, but saw on a clip once and never forgot it. Lets hear some opinions on it (this is not an advocacy post of the following scene, rather it is a reflection of what it might do to both parties involved):

Top and a bottom. The woman (bottom) in question was being treated roughly and gagged by the Top with his penis. She was repeatedly gagged and then held her head dragged back for the camera to see. The Top called her all sorts of derogatory names and made the bottom call herself things like "whore", "slut", etc. The Top then very deliberately softened his voice, told the bottom to look up at him and then he forcefully spit in her face. i mean it wasn't a light spray ... it was a no mistake ejection of spittle. The bottom, who up until that point seemed to enjoy the play, was shocked so badly, her face froze. The Top immediately asked her if she liked that ... whether she liked the fact that he'd spit in her face. Playing tough girl, she tried to resume the role of brazen whore without a heart, but couldn't quite make it. She teared up a little and after a minute or so she was able to go on.

What do you think people? Too far? Damaging? Exciting?

lara

 

[catalina_francisco]

Lets throw something out there

Top and a bottom. The woman (bottom) in question was being treated roughly and gagged by the Top with his penis. She was repeatedly gagged and then held her head dragged back for the camera to see. The Top called her all sorts of derogatory names and made the bottom call herself things like "whore", "slut", etc. The Top then very deliberately softened his voice, told the bottom to look up at him and then he forcefully spit in her face. i mean it wasn't a light spray ... it was a no mistake ejection of spittle. The bottom, who up until that point seemed to enjoy the play, was shocked so badly, her face froze. The Top immediately asked her if she liked that ... whether she liked the fact that he'd spit in her face. Playing tough girl, she tried to resume the role of brazen whore without a heart, but couldn't quite make it. She teared up a little and after a minute or so she was able to go on.

What do you think people? Too far? Damaging? Exciting?

lara

I don't think the described scene goes too far, or is necessarily damaging, unless there are unknown factors pertinent to the players which make it so. As to exciting, that too is subjective to the people involved. I know for us, we do many things which go beyond this and which many would and do view as 'too far', and at times I may cry, beg him to stop or not go there, some more than others, but I am also aware, as is F that is usually a sign which indicates this scene will be a memorable one and something I would love to ponder on in fantasy if not repeat the reality of. But that is us, I get off on things which drive me past the limits, challenge my commfort zones, and shock the everyday expectations most people fall into in both the vanilla and lifestyle sense. Good question lara.

Catalina

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

i like the concept. A bit divisive to my way of thinking, but still an interesting idea for those who feel their brand of BDSM is outside the norm. i'd like to see those opinions (of a SMACK variety) expressed whereever appropriate and not just in one place. Spread the carnality around and others might come to appreciate the ideas and become seduced by them. i look forward to reading more here.


I agree with lara here. Aren't we divided enough already?? How about just using your imagination, and throwing some topics out there along these lines, and starting some THREADS??? I don't like the idea of one single thread for discussion.

Lara has come up with some good stuff, lately. Kudos to you Lara

Lets throw something out there ... something that i haven't experienced, but saw on a clip once and never forgot it. Lets hear some opinions on it (this is not an advocacy post of the following scene, rather it is a reflection of what it might do to both parties involved):

Top and a bottom. The woman (bottom) in question was being treated roughly and gagged by the Top with his penis. She was repeatedly gagged and then held her head dragged back for the camera to see. The Top called her all sorts of derogatory names and made the bottom call herself things like "whore", "slut", etc. The Top then very deliberately softened his voice, told the bottom to look up at him and then he forcefully spit in her face. i mean it wasn't a light spray ... it was a no mistake ejection of spittle. The bottom, who up until that point seemed to enjoy the play, was shocked so badly, her face froze. The Top immediately asked her if she liked that ... whether she liked the fact that he'd spit in her face. Playing tough girl, she tried to resume the role of brazen whore without a heart, but couldn't quite make it. She teared up a little and after a minute or so she was able to go on.

What do you think people? Too far? Damaging? Exciting?

lara

I'll bite here. I don't find it too far, nor too damaging, and yes, I find it exciting as hell--but humiliation is something that thrills me and pushes all my buttons--in a good way. The first time He's done edgy, humiliating things to me have been shocking, wide-eyed, OMG moments....and then I just drop deeper into subspace, and become even more HIS.

Gosh, but this isn't what you want to hear is it, Pure?

You want those amoral, SM fantasies, don't you? All that KINK?

Oops.



~anelize

 

[Limbhugger]

Top and a bottom. The woman (bottom) in question was being treated roughly and gagged by the Top with his penis. She was repeatedly gagged and then held her head dragged back for the camera to see. The Top called her all sorts of derogatory names and made the bottom call herself things like "whore", "slut", etc. The Top then very deliberately softened his voice, told the bottom to look up at him and then he forcefully spit in her face. i mean it wasn't a light spray ... it was a no mistake ejection of spittle. The bottom, who up until that point seemed to enjoy the play, was shocked so badly, her face froze. The Top immediately asked her if she liked that ... whether she liked the fact that he'd spit in her face. Playing tough girl, she tried to resume the role of brazen whore without a heart, but couldn't quite make it. She teared up a little and after a minute or so she was able to go on.

What do you think people? Too far? Damaging? Exciting?

lara

--------------------------------

Well from a bottom's POV, I think that sounds wonderful. I would hope for some appropriate after-care, but then that is just me and I am big on after-care. But I do not find it at all too far out of my limits. Oh wait, by wanting after-care I guess I missed the point of the thread didn't I?

Oh and Pure, did you have to weasel politics into it?

LH

 

[rosco rathbone]

"The Top then very deliberately softened his voice, told the bottom to look up at him and then he forcefully spit in her face. i mean it wasn't a light spray ... it was a no mistake ejection of spittle"

oh yeah.

 

[evesdream]

Originally posted by s'lara
Top and a bottom. The woman (bottom) in question was being treated roughly and gagged by the Top with his penis. She was repeatedly gagged and then held her head dragged back for the camera to see. The Top called her all sorts of derogatory names and made the bottom call herself things like "whore", "slut", etc. The Top then very deliberately softened his voice, told the bottom to look up at him and then he forcefully spit in her face. i mean it wasn't a light spray ... it was a no mistake ejection of spittle. The bottom, who up until that point seemed to enjoy the play, was shocked so badly, her face froze. The Top immediately asked her if she liked that ... whether she liked the fact that he'd spit in her face. Playing tough girl, she tried to resume the role of brazen whore without a heart, but couldn't quite make it. She teared up a little and after a minute or so she was able to go on.

What do you think people? Too far? Damaging? Exciting?

lara

s'lara can i be the first to say "holy shit" that touches the heart of hot buttons. That clip is so perfect it almost makes me weep. As AnelizeDarkEyes said, you've been nailing things on the head like crazy for the past while. Is there any chance that you remember where that clip is from?

ethereal~minx, i enjoyed reading your post too. That was well said. There's definitely more than meets the eye when it comes to rough treatment, especially when it is taken outside of the world of pornography.

AnelizeDarkEyes, I remember the KINK acronym floating around here before but I forget what it stood for. Was it along the same lines or something?

Pure, I'm not sure from your take no prisoners introduction whether you're attempting to present the "reader's digest" version of what's been said in the Top thread, or to give solid definition to it and or branch out. Will be interesting to see what else emerges from this. Fascinating stuff as always.

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

AnelizeDarkEyes, I remember the KINK acronym floating around here before but I forget what it stood for. Was it along the same lines or something?

Actually, I haven't a clue. I was just capping for emphasis.

~anelize

 

[Pure]

Welcome to respondents.

Ethereal, yes, I think 'freedom' is a key them[should read, 'term'] underlying SMACK practice. "Spirit" or 'spirituality' may well be involved, but not as matters of religious institutions, but matters for individual inquiry.

lara, thanks much for the scene description. to the extent it's improvised, we are on the same page as usual. you didn't say your reaction to it.I don't see how to answer the question "too far?" Which I think is what Catalina is saying.

Anelize: this is a thread with a different slant and set of topics. there have always been threads for 'different' tastes. it's an umbrella for one set of them; however, other specific threads will be referenced. all posters to this thread have posted elsewhere, extensively.

Limb: TIME mag to the contrary, Republicans and kink have an uneven relationship; indeed the new "marriage initiative" shows the reigning R's unease about nonmarital and 'gay' arrangements. such righteousness makes blood tasty. Free spirited Republican pervs are of course welcome.

Eve: this won't be "Reader's Digest" of anything. but much responsibilty rests with the posters. who certainly aren't that way at the moment.

J.

 

[Pure]

Anelize said, about humiliating episodes, (note to Limb)

shocking, wide-eyed, OMG moments....and then I just drop deeper into subspace, and become even more HIS.

Gosh, but this isn't what you want to hear is it, Pure?

You want those amoral, SM fantasies, don't you?



What floats your boat is no problem for me to hear, Anelize. Maybe 'belonging' to a caring dom is what's right for you.

Limb on lara's scene:

Oh wait, by wanting after-care I guess I missed the point of the thread didn't I?

yep. but you realized that.

 

[s'lara]

[s'lara can i be the first to say "holy shit" that touches the heart of hot buttons. That clip is so perfect it almost makes me weep. As AnelizeDarkEyes said, you've been nailing things on the head like crazy for the past while. Is there any chance that you remember where that clip is from?

i no longer recall where the clip came from, but i agree it was pretty powerful stuff. Sorry eve, but i am sure there is a fair amount of this stuff floating out on the net. i think it was specific to "breaking her" types of porn. If i am not mistaken, there are whole sites dedicated to this edge play.

lara

 

[thegreenfairy]

Yeah, I could go for this. After all, its amoral and not immoral.

 

[s'lara]

<snip>lara, thanks much for the scene description. to the extent it's improvised, we are on the same page as usual. you didn't say your reaction to it.I don't see how to answer the question "too far?" Which I think is what Catalina is saying.

J. <snip>

Most welcome. No, i didn't say my reaction to it and that's likely due to my uncertainty in how i would feel if in the bottom's (in the scene i described) position. Is it exciting to me? Yes. Would it be something that i'd be willing to endure? Possibly. Whatever the scene did for me is inconsequential to the questions i set out.

To that end, let me further say that the "too much" portion of my question was a query in regard to whether the scene went beyond what you (the reader) found to be acceptable in your BDSM activities. Simply, did the scene i describe fall outside of what you could handle in a BDSM setting and if it was "too much", please explain why.

A simple act can pack the most powerful of punches. Emotional sadism, imo, can leave you breathless and spinning within seconds. Not terribly uncool.

lara

 

[ethereal~minx]

I don't think the described scene goes too far, or is necessarily damaging, unless there are unknown factors pertinent to the players which make it so. As to exciting, that too is subjective to the people involved. I know for us, we do many things which go beyond this and which many would and do view as 'too far', and at times I may cry, beg him to stop or not go there, some more than others, but I am also aware, as is F that is usually a sign which indicates this scene will be a memorable one and something I would love to ponder on in fantasy if not repeat the reality of. But that is us, I get off on things which drive me past the limits, challenge my commfort zones, and shock the everyday expectations most people fall into in both the vanilla and lifestyle sense. Good question lara.

Catalina

I feel the same as Catalina here..

 

[Pure]

hi lara,

i no longer recall where the clip came from, but i agree it was pretty powerful stuff. Sorry eve, but i am sure there is a fair amount of this stuff floating out on the net. i think it was specific to "breaking her" types of porn. If i am not mistaken, there are whole sites dedicated to this edge play.

It's worth stressing, though I'm sure you're clear, that a porn picture or film of "breaking Ms/Mr. X" is generally a depiction, an enactment, hence the labels at the end of the legal stuff: "all models are 18 or older."

So your reaction to that picture (the clip)-- say, being aroused-- is a different issue from "how would I react in r.l." Your response to a movie of X is not {Added: necessarily} your response to actual X; the former may be arousing while the latter is not. Would you agree?

In the SMACK thread these distinctions will be maintained, so as to avoid all the ethical pseudo-dilemmas that crop up about, for example, bizarre stories or movies that are a 'turn on', or as you say, capture your imaginings. What do you think?

It's also worth stating that, in the SMACK concept, the pre-arrangement and set-up of 'edge play' makes the result far from 'edgy'**; as if, for example, you agree that I will make several shallow knife incisions on your right upper arm, and then we do that.

SMACK is not synonymous with either 'edge' or 'extreme.'

J.

**though maybe fun and satisfying for all concerned.

 

[s'lara]

hi lara,

It's worth stressing, though I'm sure you're clear, that a porn picture or film of "breaking Ms/Mr. X" is generally a depiction, an enactment, hence the labels at the end of the legal stuff: "all models are 18 or older."

Agreed.

So your reaction to that picture (the clip)-- say, being aroused-- is a different issue from "how would I react in r.l." Your response to a movie of X is not your response to actual X; the former may be arousing while the latter is not. Would you agree?

Not necessarily. i found the idea of it pleasing to my mind, but i cannot say with complete confidence how i would feel if in the actual position. The mindset is not all that unlike seeing a dish which looks appetizing, but you won't know whether it is good until you've tasted it. Therefore, while i can definitively say the scene caused a strong positive reaction in me, i cannot say that i would have the same reaction to "actual X."

Also, i wouldn't go so far as to state "actual X" would not cause the same reaction in me as the "movie X." To know whether "actual X" is arousing is to have experienced it, which i haven't. So i was careful not to theorize what i would feel (or not feel) in the "actual X" situation. *chuckles* i don't have a problem with stating that i am not 100% sure of my reactions, and in the "actual X" scenario, i truly don't know what i'd feel. i can say that it is appealing, but i have no basis for comparison in regard to "actual X" so i felt it was necessary to be clear about my uncertainty.

In the SMACK thread these distinctions will be maintained, so as to avoid all the ethical pseudo-dilemmas that crop up about, for example, bizarre stories or movies that are a 'turn on', or as you say, capture your imaginings. What do you think?

i think that's important and i agree its necessary to maintain the distinctions for purposes of clarity and free discussion without judgment. However, it should be clear that honesty is just as necessary and if someone cannot equivocally state their feelings on a given subject due to lack of first hand experience, i think their answer should be accepted as is without implied ethical wranglings. Sometimes an "i don't know" is just that ... "i don't know."

It's also worth stating that, in the SMACK concept, the pre-arrangement and set-up of 'edge play' makes the result far from 'edgy'**; as if, for example, you agree that I will make several shallow knife incisions on your right upper arm, and then we do that.

SMACK is not synonymous with either 'edge' or 'extreme.'

This is fine with me. i do reserve the right to find certain subject matters extreme while not applying the label (quel horreur) to SMACK. As i said before, i look forward to seeing some thoughts here. Oh, btw Pure, you didn't say what your reaction was to the scene i described or is that implied in "... as usual we're on the same page"?

 

[Pure]

lara,
my reaction to the scene was to feel an impact, like a slap on the face. i can't say it was, for me, personally arousing *in my present sitting-at-the-desk state of mind. yet episodes take on a life of their own, even a frenzy, and I wouldn't rule out reacting as you.

odd, but spit isn't often talked about. i wonder why? it certainly can provoke disgust--far more, for me, than piss, or some other bodily fluids. And so it's a possibly appropriate item for erotic cruel use!

you're duly thanked for this new idea!

 

[s'lara]

lara,
my reaction to the scene was to feel an impact, like a slap on the face. i can't say it was, for me, personally arousing *in my present sitting-at-the-desk state of mind. yet episodes take on a life of their own, even a frenzy, and I wouldn't rule out reacting as you.

odd, but spit isn't often talked about. i wonder why? it certainly can provoke disgust--far more, for me, than piss, or some other bodily fluids. And so it's a possibly appropriate item for erotic cruel use!

you're duly thanked for this new idea!

*laughs* i think i can safely say that spitting in someone's face is not an idea which originated with me. i merely spoke about it which doesn't equate to a new found discovery.

Spit ... heh.

i don't think it is so much the actual spit, but the way it was ejected. i don't think spitting in someone's hand is the same as spitting in their face. Better yet, i recall a scene from the move "Original Sin" where Angelina Jolie's character was trying to get away from her controlling and manipulating lover/partner. He pushed her up against the wall, manhandled her while demanding she repeat that she was his. As she acquiesced, he put his fingers in her mouth, pulled her jaw down and spit into her mouth. Right after doing so, i think he said "That's right, your mine." Then he kissed her.

Now the foregoing scenario is so very different than the one i described earlier in this thread. To me this was a claiming on his part and he did it with his words, his physical handling of Angelina's character and most certainly with his spit. Again, the scene was from a movie and depicted this instance in a theatrical way, but it was certainly effective in showing the audience that his hold on her was strong and sexual.

lara

 

[Pure]

lara, you're just an archive on spit.! i agree that the second is about possession. the first, from your clip, seems to be an expression of

contempt,

a word you don't see around these boards too often (though iirc, spitting and contempt came up at Topopolis thread a while ago).
Is there an eroticism of contempt?

{{Added: wouldn't ya know, I find only a single _positive_ reference to contempt in the bdsm forum, and it's from the savage and redoubtable Ms. Netzach, and concerns pureed carrots!}}

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=7156314&highlight=contempt#post7156314 }}


A propos of the topic, I did find this, in a search:

a_bit_kinky said,

"Ewww......The most degrading thing a man could do to me is to just outright spit on me for the purpose of lube. Yuck."

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=214085&highlight=spitting

Though the thread didn't go far into it, and got focussed on wives' demeaning comments, it's interesting to see how 'we' into SM turn things upside down! from "ewww" to "bring it on"!

i see 'kinky's scene as kinda primal. you?

 

[catalina_francisco]

a_bit_kinky said,

"Ewww......The most degrading thing a man could do to me is to just outright spit on me for the purpose of lube. Yuck."

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=214085&highlight=spitting

Though the thread didn't go far into it, and got focussed on wives' demeaning comments, it's interesting to see how 'we' into SM turn things upside down! from "ewww" to "bring it on"!

Is interesting seeing the variety of ideas when skimming the thread, realising the limit of many people's experience, and actually noticing what most people don't realise is most times they feel degraded by another it is because it comes back to their own insecurities, judegments, perceptions which allow them to feel degraded. Someone may seek to degrade another, but it also is to a large degree reliant on the other accepting that degradation into their own reality.

Catalina

 

[s'lara]

lara, you're just an archive on spit.! i agree that the second is about possession. the first, from your clip, seems to be an expression of

contempt,

a word you don't see around these boards too often (though iirc, spitting and contempt came up at Topopolis thread a while ago).
Is there an eroticism of contempt?

{{Added: wouldn't ya know, I find only a single _positive_ reference to contempt in the bdsm forum, and it's from the savage and redoubtable Ms. Netzach, and concerns pureed carrots!}}

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=7156314&highlight=contempt#post7156314 }}


A propos of the topic, I did find this, in a search:

a_bit_kinky said,

"Ewww......The most degrading thing a man could do to me is to just outright spit on me for the purpose of lube. Yuck."

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=214085&highlight=spitting

Though the thread didn't go far into it, and got focussed on wives' demeaning comments, it's interesting to see how 'we' into SM turn things upside down! from "ewww" to "bring it on"!

i see 'kinky's scene as kinda primal. you?

One or two references does not make an archive, but it does seem we're stuck on the topic of saliva.

i agree that spitting on someone's sex for lube is viscerally animalistic ... not so much a contemptuous act, but rather a natural, in the moment, hunger driven act to get something open and slick as quickly as possible. Again, not uncool to my way of thinking.

i think the idea of spitting is eww-like for some because we're used to thinking that expectoration is equivalent to being nasty or having bad manners. Almost a squeamish reaction and i am not above my own squeamishness, but kinky's scene doesn't quite ring as an ick moment to me.

Contempt. There is a certain air of imperiality to spitting on someone. "I am better than you and i am marking you as someone lesser in our dynamic." Yeah ... sadistic and cruel. Not too shabby.

lara

 

[s'lara]

Is interesting seeing the variety of ideas when skimming the thread, realising the limit of many people's experience, and actually noticing what most people don't realise is most times they feel degraded by another it is because it comes back to their own insecurities, judegments, perceptions which allow them to feel degraded. Someone may seek to degrade another, but it also is to a large degree reliant on the other accepting that degradation into their own reality.

Catalina

i agree and add that it does take a fair amount of knowledge of the person you are inflicting the degradation upon. While i might not feel degraded by being called names (whore, slut, etc.), i might feel degraded by being made to urinate myself and to sit in it until given permission to clean up. It's all in the hot buttons (emotional/mental sensitive places) and knowing which ones to push.

lara