Slowly the admissions that errors occurred over 9/11...

[p_p_man]

are beginning to emerge.

Now it's the FBI which admits that reports wern't passed on or ignored altogether and information wasn't exchanged with other Agencies.

Now they're reorganising to shift the emphasis of their work from crime busting to terrorist investigation.

Very commendable. But I did happen to notice that they already had a whole Division which had the authority to do this job and that within that division a whole Department with the sole task of investigating Osman bin Laden and al Quaida.

What's expect to happen from this shift in work emphasis? More information feeding in I presume. But they already had that before 11 September.

This looks like a small admission of guilt to take the focus away from other, possibly much larger, ones.

ppman

 

[JazzManJim]

Here's a question.

What was the FBI's mission prior to a couple of days ago?

I'll give you a hint. You can sum all of it up in two words.

 

[p_p_man]

Here's a question.

What was the FBI's mission prior to a couple of days ago?

I'll give you a hint. You can sum all of it up in two words.

Do they begin with an F and an A?

 

[JazzManJim]

Heh.

No. I'll answer it: Law Enforcement.

The FBI is, and always has been, a police agency. Their expertise solely resides in investigating crimes after they've been committed, putting massive amounts of highly-trained investigators and very good equipment on a case, and catching the perpetrators.

They've never been an intelligence gathering agency worth anything at all. Their ability to analyze intelligence has always been limited to crime statistics and such.

They were given a half-assed intelligence role then hamstrung by their own Director (Louis Freeh) who was, by his own admission a technophobe, by a lack of training and equipment appropriate to do the job.

If there's any fault (which I don't see, based on the information that's come out thus far) I'd lay it on the CIA which might have had information the FBI could have used, but didn't share it. That's no surprise. The CIA has never played well with others. They're kind of known for that, among other things.

 

[Azwed]

Perhaps one good thing will come out of this.

Maybe just maybe all the various law enforcement agencies will stop or at least reduce the turf fighting and cooperate.


Nahhh nevermind what am I saying. The FBI has instutionalized the notion that they are the best, biggest and baddest when it comes to catching crooks and they don't need anyones help to do it.

CIA has a similar problem, with sharing intelligence with other intelligence agencies, but I don't think it is quiet as bad as the FBI's problems.

 

[SleepingWarrior]

Well the FBI doesn't exactly place nice with the other agencies either Jazz, and the top of that list would be the CIA since in a few areas they compete for the same budget appropriations. I think we'll find out that there was alot of information out there regarding the 9/11 attacks but like the editorial cartoon I saw the other day its like one big game of connect the dots. But I doubt there was enough out there for any agency to have pieced together the entire plot.

 

[p_p_man]

Heh.

No. I'll answer it: Law Enforcement.

Yes true. I wrote this thread because of news items on TV here about about the new ephasis.

The thought did occur to me, who was now going to do the crime busting?

But as for the underlying implication I've made, it's not unknown for one scapegoat to be thrown to the wolves to take attention away from the real culprit.

And I wasn't thinking bout the CIA, although they too will no doubt have some blame apportioned to them eventually.

 

[SleepingWarrior]

Hey p_p_man is there anything out there that you don't try to strap a conspiracy label too? Isn't it even remotely possible Bush didn't know much of anything on the attacks?

Not everything is controlled by a puppeteer.

 

[koalabear]

I admit we copied the way the Brits handled the IRA bombers......

 

[teddybear4play]

I don't like the FBI's priority rearrangement thing. I'm with Jim here; the FBI is basically the federal police force. They simply don't have the stuff necessary to be a counterterrorism unit. There's only so much "investigation" will give you. To fight terrorism, you need intelligence. Hence, the CIA.

Blurring the edges between which groups do what will only create more backstabbing little turf wars between them. It's far better to draw clear bright lines:

The FBI should handle all domestic things, including domestic terrorism like the anthrax letters.
The CIA should handle all intelligence-gathering, including foreign spy efforts.
The NSA should take the information gathered and make the big decisions. After all, things like September 11 are a matter of some national security. I want the final decision of whether or not we rush after a certain problem and with how much force to rest with them.

So, in a perfect world, the CIA would have come up with the intel that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda were planning an attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the NSA would have decided that it was a credible threat and made the decision that it was of the highest priority, and the FBI should have been all over the asses of the 19 hijackers, while the CIA continued to gather further intelligence out of al-Qaeda.

Groups working for the same goal do better when they are in clearly defined roles, not when everyone tries to do everything. Use whatever analogy you want: an army, a sports team, a business project, a factory assembly line, but it's still true.

TB4p

 

[p_p_man]

Hey p_p_man is there anything out there that you don't try to strap a conspiracy label too? Isn't it even remotely possible Bush didn't know much of anything on the attacks?

Not everything is controlled by a puppeteer.

It's not so much a conspiracy theory it's more a way of saying that not one organisation can be blamed for errors that occured before the 11th September.

And we haven't even begun to know the full extent of those errors yet.

And anyway, who mentioned Bush?

 

[SleepingWarrior]

And I wasn't thinking bout the CIA, although they too will no doubt have some blame apportioned to them eventually.

And anyway, who mentioned Bush?

Well its quite natural to draw that conclusion since you have stated many a time that you believe Bush knew more than he is saying.

So I see your and raise you a

 

[p_p_man]

Well its quite natural to draw that conclusion since you have stated many a time that you believe Bush knew more than he is saying.

So I see your and raise you a

Not me.

I've always left that to others.



full house - I win!

 

[miles]

The rash has returned.

 

[plasticman33]

Having been involved with the Intelligence community the biggest flaw has always been that all agencies involved have been competative rather than cooperative.

Hopefully with new direction this will change!

 

[iwmggw]

Not me.

I've always left that to others.



full house - I win!

the others you are refering to are............the voices in your head? beats your full house(which once again could be a reference to those voices in your head)

 

[brokenbrainwave]

of course errors were made, no one should be suprised by that revelation. It seems that our government is viewed around Europe in general as bumbling slow and inept. Allow me to ask, what has Europe done about cells of terrorist living under their noses, excluding events after 9/11? When Iraq threatend to take over the entire Middle East, whom did the Europeans turn to for guidance? When Germany threatend to run rough shot over your own continent, what government was there to bail your asses out of the fire not once but twice? (side note, if the French had shown the same passion then as they show in their contempt for Americans, we would not have had to "interfere") What government has been there with financial and humanitarian aide for every major crises the world has seen in the last 100 years?

Yet, we are attacked, our government made mistakes in deciphering intelligence and we are now the bumbling fools? Oh yeah, how much financial support has the European Block sent to the victims families? I am not sure, just a question.

 

[RawHumor]

p_p_man

Your penis is really small, isn't it?

 

[Gord]

Re: p_p_man

Your penis is really small, isn't it?

Why - whats it to you - you like small Dicks - the go ask Miles you should get on great

 

[miles]

Re: Re: p_p_man

Why - whats it to you - you like small Dicks - the go ask Miles you should get on great

Hope that cut under your nose heals soon.

 

[RawHumor]

Re: Re: p_p_man

Why - whats it to you - you like small Dicks - the go ask Miles you should get on great

I'm sorry Gord, I didn't mean to offend you. Did my post about p_p_man having a small penis touch a nerve with you somehow? Is that a sensitive issue for you, BIG GUY?

 

[Gord]

Re: Re: Re: p_p_man

Hope that cut under your nose heals soon.

Thanks Miles so so glad you are concerned with my well being

 

[brokenbrainwave]

well this has rapidly went to hell in a handbasket

 

[Gord]

Re: Re: Re: p_p_man

I'm sorry Gord, I didn't mean to offend you. Did my post about p_p_man having a small penis touch a nerve with you somehow? Is that a sensitive issue for you, BIG GUY?

Fuck yes god you got it in one - shit what will I do

Just thought that even if you dont agree with him - then dont debate -but to go straight for the insults without even a comment that sure is easy isnt it

Just doing my bit for cross atlantic relations

Your turn

 

[miles]

well this has rapidly went to hell in a handbasket

The board has issues with the messenger.