Sleeping Pills?

[Crista]

I have a question....

I've never given much thought to being submissive or totally losing control...but one night while chatting online with a girl, we were cybering over a nylon stocking fetish....i was licking and sucking on her stocking covered legs, up around her inner thighs. I could almost feel the heat of her pussy...

Then she said something like, "you don't notice as i place a few drops of liquid on the stockings near your face".

We continued a bit more, and she said, "baby, are u starting to feel sleepy?"

This shocked me a bit, but i was so wrapped in the moment, I told her, "yes....what did u do to me?"

She said, "chloro...(as in chloroform)...soon u wont be able to resist anything"

She then proceeded to describe how two of her girlfriends came over and helped her have her way with my near paralyzed body...she said i was awake enough to enjoy it, but not enough to resist or even participate. It was such vivid cyber and the fantasy of being so helpless was so hott i came in buckets.

I must admit that afterward I was somwhat shocked that this was such a turn-on. I asked her if she ever did it. She said never with "chloro" but her and gf used to drug eachother with sleeping pills and then she'd have other friends participate.

I came over and over re-living this fantasy in my head.

Is this a common practice in DOM/SUB relationships?

Please share the stories....

 

[Rrrosyn]

I have a question....

I've never given much thought to being submissive or totally losing control...but one night while chatting online with a girl, we were cybering over a nylon stocking fetish....i was licking and sucking on her stocking covered legs, up around her inner thighs. I could almost feel the heat of her pussy...

Then she said something like, "you don't notice as i place a few drops of liquid on the stockings near your face".

We continued a bit more, and she said, "baby, are u starting to feel sleepy?"

This shocked me a bit, but i was so wrapped in the moment, I told her, "yes....what did u do to me?"

She said, "chloro...(as in chloroform)...soon u wont be able to resist anything"

She then proceeded to describe how two of her girlfriends came over and helped her have her way with my near paralyzed body...she said i was awake enough to enjoy it, but not enough to resist or even participate. It was such vivid cyber and the fantasy of being so helpless was so hott i came in buckets.

I must admit that afterward I was somwhat shocked that this was such a turn-on. I asked her if she ever did it. She said never with "chloro" but her and gf used to drug eachother with sleeping pills and then she'd have other friends participate.

I came over and over re-living this fantasy in my head.

Is this a common practice in DOM/SUB relationships?

Please share the stories....

Unless the person takes the drug willingly it seems very non-consensual to me.

Not sure why but even if I am horny and say, "Fuck me," sub won't have sex if I have certain taken meds. Maybe it's his personality is so submissive. He says it feels like rape.

(I am talking straight up sex BTW, I would never try to do anything BDSM related when I am in such a state.)

 

[catalina_francisco]

I would think if you are this open to suggestion, as in being told something is happening and actually believing and experiencing it despite it being online fantasy, you would do well to brush up on your safety and self preservation before ever thinking of trying anything RL. As to if this is normal behavior in D/s relationships......not for most....some will tell stories of drugs and drink being used to loosen them up etc., but maybe I am biased because my thoughts on that are if you need something to get you through the moment perhaps it is a moment you are really not wanting in the first place. Certainly takes the challenge out of the situation for both sides I guess, so why bother? Then again, I am not someone who has much tolerance for substance abuse and/or use at the best of times.

Catalina

 

[Quint]

catalina, I don't think he REALLY felt it...that's what he was saying in cyberama.

It's been a hot fantasy for us; honestly, the only thing that's kept us from doing it is laziness and knowledge of some side effects. If T wrapped a chloroform-soaked cloth around my mouth, I'd wake up with a killer headache, which yeah I'm a wimp but I think I'll pass on. Likewise with "date rape" drugs...if we had a way of getting some (though I don't like thinking about why the person we'd get them from would have them to begin with...not everyone WANTS to be taken advantage of by their loving-yet-kinky partner), hell yeah he'd be mixing me a roofie colada (Family Guy) and having his way with my unconscious body. It's just a very sexy notion for us, the total unwholesome "rape" feel of it. But we're wired that way.

 

[catalina_francisco]

catalina, I don't think he REALLY felt it...that's what he was saying in cyberama.

LOL, I have an imagination, but I just can't get into the online role play thing at all and especially where it is expressed in such real terms as feeling sleepy when asked after being given chloroform online...and admittedly I was distracted at the time and skimmed the post too fast perhaps. It is OK, just not my thing I guess.....different strokes for different folks.

Catalina

 

[landcruisergal]

A femdom friend had a potential playmate ask her if she could drug him with rohypnol/flunitrazepam. She declined of course, as anything done under the influence could therefore be considered as nonconsentual.
I guess being a big lad, he wanted a believable playrape experience, and this would be conceivably the only way she could actually "overpower" him physically.

I personally would not want anything to "dull" my experiences, nor that of my sub.
For one of my first scenes as a newbie sub, I was extremely anxious, and took a small dose (2.5mg) of diazepam/valium beforehand.( I still walk and talk on 10mg).

I had "subdrop" really badly the following day, and felt like I had cheated not only myself of the intensity, but had been dishonest by dulling my reactions.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

I have a question....

Then she said something like, "you don't notice as i place a few drops of liquid on the stockings near your face".

We continued a bit more, and she said, "baby, are u starting to feel sleepy?"

This shocked me a bit, but i was so wrapped in the moment, I told her, "yes....what did u do to me?"

She said, "chloro...(as in chloroform)...soon u wont be able to resist anything"

.... I asked her if she ever did it. She said never with "chloro" but her and gf used to drug eachother with sleeping pills and then she'd have other friends participate.

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Is this a common practice in DOM/SUB relationships?
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Not in any I have participated in. The ONLY defense we have for many of the things we do as a PYL, to our pyl partners, is that of consent. And believe me when I say that in pretty much ANY court (in the US, anyway) the prosecution will use the use of any kind of mood or consciousness altering drug to negate informed consent on the part of the pyl.

I can also state that absolutely NO public play spaces I am aware of will let anyone play under the influence of drugs (legal or illegal), and most will not even permit the use of alcoholic beverages before or during play. What you do in the privacy of your own home, is, of course, not governed by the rules of a public dungeon.

Being drugged and ravished/mock raped might be a hot fantasy, but consider this. If, during the course of your scene you or your partner administers a legal prescription drug to someone that the drug is NOT prescribed to, Federal law has been broken. I don't have to mention the laws broken if you use an illegal drug... If the drug alters consciousness or ability to make informed consent, you've commited rape or sexual assualt of some kind. IF the scene goes bad or someone has second thoughts afterwards (Well HE was hunk but that skank friend of his was so groddy, I'm getting sick thinking about it, I didn't agree to do that loser, he raped me... ) See where this is going? In a word, yer totally, absolutely and pretty well completely screwed.

If you want to do this kind of scene though, even considering the negatives, to cover your ass you better have a signed and witnessed (maybe even notorized) written consent form that states you and all parties are aware of the drug to be used, and that you are okay with the drug being admistered for the purposes of enhancing the sexual pleasure of all involved parties... Make bloody well sure that the form is dated well BEFORE the event so you can't be accused of getting the consent AFTER the drug was administered (which would NEGATE the consent after all.... )

Personally, I never use any kind of mood altering substance when I am playing and I refuse to play with anyone who has. I like to inflict fear and pain (I am a sadist after all) and anything that takes away from my play partner experiencing all that I am doing, is NOT good. And anything that takes away from my control, even a bit, is dangerous for the one I am playing with.

I suppose I might feel differently about using a drug as part of a scene if I was just looking for freaky sex, but that is such a small part of the agenda, if it's on there at all.

 

[FurryFury]

I'm all about sensation.

If I can't remember it, no sensation.

If on the other hand the drug enhances and lets my brain shut the hell up, but I can remember it later? Cool. Haven't found such a drug yet...

Fury

 

[Netzach]

This was something a play partner and I talked about as one of those things that's really hot in theory (the needle poked my ass and I woke up in acapulco with 3 shemales in arm binders licking my armpits!) but in actuality we'd never ever do.

Some fantasies are just better as that.

 

[FurryFury]

This was something a play partner and I talked about as one of those things that's really hot in theory (the needle poked my ass and I woke up in acapulco with 3 shemales in arm binders licking my armpits!) but in actuality we'd never ever do.

Some fantasies are just better as that.

I know what you mean Netzach!

Some fantasies should remain fantasy.

Shemales? Umm. Interesting!

I am fascinated by such.

Fury

 

[snowy ciara]

I don't think it's common at all, but most PYL's that I know won't tolerate play under the influence. One of them told me that he needs to know it's the pyl talking, NOT the inebriant. Incidently, his comment came up when I thanked him for not taking me up on my proposition that I gave him when I was hopped up on pain meds. He also commented that in his opinion (so don't flame me anyone) if you can't submit when you're sober, your drugged submission is worth nothing to him.

 

[Private_Label]

I have a question....

I've never given much thought to being submissive or totally losing control...but one night while chatting online with a girl, we were cybering over a nylon stocking fetish....i was licking and sucking on her stocking covered legs, up around her inner thighs. I could almost feel the heat of her pussy...

Then she said something like, "you don't notice as i place a few drops of liquid on the stockings near your face".

We continued a bit more, and she said, "baby, are u starting to feel sleepy?"

This shocked me a bit, but i was so wrapped in the moment, I told her, "yes....what did u do to me?"

She said, "chloro...(as in chloroform)...soon u wont be able to resist anything"

She then proceeded to describe how two of her girlfriends came over and helped her have her way with my near paralyzed body...she said i was awake enough to enjoy it, but not enough to resist or even participate. It was such vivid cyber and the fantasy of being so helpless was so hott i came in buckets.

I must admit that afterward I was somwhat shocked that this was such a turn-on. I asked her if she ever did it. She said never with "chloro" but her and gf used to drug eachother with sleeping pills and then she'd have other friends participate.

I came over and over re-living this fantasy in my head.

Is this a common practice in DOM/SUB relationships?

Please share the stories....

Non-consent as a fantasy element is a real turn on for me. If I was "date raped" after being given drugs that I did not consent to take - I'd be on my way to the police to report it. The Consent part of SSC is missing from this if it happened in real life. That would make it abuse and not a fun thing.

I don't think it is so much a D/s thing as it is a fantasy element of the loss of control over your own sexual actions.

Obviously this fantasy works well for you. It doesn't necessarily make you a sub - but it gives you someplace to start exploring your own reactions.

I'm doing much the same for similar reasons. Have fun, but always, always, play safely.

 

[yoshimitsu]

I have always found the thought of fucking my girlfriends unconciouncious body unusually arousing. Having been in a very trusing relationship I think either of us would fully trust the other in that situation. It would be wise to be gentle though since they wouldn't be aware of their own well being.
I was bummed thinking back on one night. She was on top when she lays down on my chest slowly rocking back and forth. After a minute of pretty much no motion I realized she passed out. I ended up waking her up but it would have been so much more fun if I had rolled her over and
If I remember right this was back when we were doing GHB so I bet she would have stayed down.
Peobably is a better one to keep in fantasy land though.
Unless I ever got my hands on some G

 

[catalina_francisco]

I don't think it's common at all, but most PYL's that I know won't tolerate play under the influence. One of them told me that he needs to know it's the pyl talking, NOT the inebriant. Incidently, his comment came up when I thanked him for not taking me up on my proposition that I gave him when I was hopped up on pain meds. He also commented that in his opinion (so don't flame me anyone) if you can't submit when you're sober, your drugged submission is worth nothing to him.

Sounds fairly reasonable to me and a view I find more rather than fewer times. Why dull or alter something that in it's purity is sooooooo good?

Catalina

 

[raven2]

This is an interesting thread. I also feel that it is not something I would do. Apart from being illegal, it just seems to me that a big part of submission and/or coercion is the reaction from the sub/captive. A limp body just really isn't what I am into (as I have been telling my wife for the last 25 years). And it is hard (no pun intended.... well maybe) for me to be hard when my partner is limp.

 

[english vicky]

i have (accidently) taken 2 rather popular antihistimine tablets before and they have made me terribly sleepy. This was at bedtime so no worries there...

When my partner and i had sex while i was like this, i was so very aware of what was happening and he was able to turn my body how he wanted without me having the choice. It's not that i couldn't have moved if i really had to, say a fire or something, it's just that my body was so relaxed it would would have been hard to move in that relaxed state.

i daresay a shock would have brought me round!

Anyway...that was so erotic and it aroused me so much more than i thought it would.

 

[FurryFury]

i have (accidently) taken 2 rather popular antihistimine tablets before and they have made me terribly sleepy. This was at bedtime so no worries there...

When my partner and i had sex while i was like this, i was so very aware of what was happening and he was able to turn my body how he wanted without me having the choice. It's not that i couldn't have moved if i really had to, say a fire or something, it's just that my body was so relaxed it would would have been hard to move in that relaxed state.

i daresay a shock would have brought me round!

Anyway...that was so erotic and it aroused me so much more than i thought it would.

Now that! Dear English Vicky, I DO find appealing! When you are so tired you body can still know and feel each sensation? Yet you can't worry or think too much? That is wonderful stuff there!

Fury

 

[kel-belle]

Someone might have already made these points. if so, please forgive the redundency.

I am also all about the sensations and the feelings the sensations bring about so anything that chemically alters my state of being wouldn't be for me.

Now about the consentual aspect of it. It seems to me that even if someone willing took something that altered their mental state, the decisions they make (consenting to an activity) while they were altered wouldn't truly be valid. In California, the simple act of taking an aspirin could nullify the validity of your consent (that is an extreme example, but it is still valid).

I might be a purist, but I really take the "C" in "SSC" seriously -- I guess I am a dot my i's and cross my t's kinda girl. I don't need to know exactly whats going to happen in a scene, actually, I prefer not to but my hard and soft limits will absolutely be known before a scene even starts...

phew.. I think that was more than 2 cents worth..

 

[Jilly J]

If you want to do this kind of scene though, even considering the negatives, to cover your ass you better have a signed and witnessed (maybe even notorized) written consent form that states you and all parties are aware of the drug to be used, and that you are okay with the drug being admistered for the purposes of enhancing the sexual pleasure of all involved parties... Make bloody well sure that the form is dated well BEFORE the event so you can't be accused of getting the consent AFTER the drug was administered (which would NEGATE the consent after all.... )

Consent doesn't work that way in the eyes of the law. Technically consent has to be given in EVERY stage of a sexual act, so having a signed document agreeing in advance wouldn't cover you. Because at the moment of the act they aren't able to give consent. Technically we should all be having sex by saying, "Is it ok if I touch your breast now...is it ok if I lift your shirt...is it ok if I put my hand in your pants...etc, etc" But when you're awake you give obvious clues to the partner that alls good so it's not necessary. A court would not view a signed document agreeing to sex after a good drugging as consent.

But...on the flip side, the fantasy aspect of being taken advantage of while asleep or unconscious is a huge turn on for me. But I'd want a tape of it, so I could watch it later.